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Reasoning is not to “decide” what is TRUE, it is to “distinguish” what is KNOWN from what is UNKNOWN..

Logic is not arbitrary it is the “mental realization” of the existence of TRUTH itself.. The observation of the phenomenon of “the way it is”

The essence of LOGIC is in this statement..

“Contrary objectives CANNOT be accomplished.”

“a House that stands against itself, cannot stand”

If we seek to empower each other with the capacity to achieve those objectives that we have, which are not contrary to each other, then we will both have more empowerment(freedom).

If we seek to un-empower one another we will both have less freedom then we could have had, thus it is not the most logical way to achieve your own objective..

It is bad enough that you and I may have objectives which are contrary to each other..But if you alone have objectives which are contrary to each other then you enslave yourself, and me..

For I have to endure your hypocrisy..

What is the logical goal of every individual and for all of humanity..

"to be empowered to choose and achieve objectives"

Freedom = "to be empowered to choose and achieve objectives"

Freedom is what ought to be sought..

Freedom is what the laws\rules\regulations\systems ought to achieve..

If Freedom={to be empowered to choose and achieve objectives} is NOT what you seek then what is it that you seek..

If LIFE={to be empowered to choose and achieve objectives} is NOT what you seek then what is it that you seek..

In our society, some laws/rules/regulations/systems promote individuals to choose to act in a way as to cause the LOSS of options and capabilities(freedom/empowerment) for others because it will result in their own personal gain..

These types of laws/rules/regulations/systems must be changed and evolve to promote the tendency of individuals to choose to act in a way which will cause the GAIN of options and capabilities(freedom/empowerment) for others because it will result in their own personal gain..

This is not impossible, solutions can be realized....

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@Whatsignificant,

Whatsignificant wrote:

In our society, some laws/rules/regulations/systems promote individuals to choose to act in a way as to cause the LOSS of options and capabilities(freedom/empowerment) for others because it will result in their own personal gain..

Are you refering to capitalism here?

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@manored,

manored wrote:

Whatsignificant wrote:

In our society, some laws/rules/regulations/systems promote individuals to choose to act in a way as to cause the LOSS of options and capabilities(freedom/empowerment) for others because it will result in their own personal gain..

Are you refering to capitalism here?

Actually, I don't believe that statement is accurate. If the original writer had simply said "Some Laws, Rules, etc... promote the addition of options for one group while removing options for another" I would agree. And I don't think it's unique to Capitalism, Socialism, Marxism, etc...

Much of the post seems to have too many presumptions for me to agree or disagree with.

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@Whatsignificant,

Whatsignificant wrote:

If Freedom={to be empowered to choose and achieve objectives} is NOT what you seek then what is it that you seek..

If LIFE={to be empowered to choose and achieve objectives} is NOT what you seek then what is it that you seek..

is a decent local curry restaurant to much to ask for?

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Mmmmmm . . . curry . . .

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@manored,

Capitalism is one of the greatest discoveries of in all of history..

It is a system which promotes individuals to seek the befit of others for their own personal gain.. and it has worked very well.. We are all much more empowered with options and capabilities as a result of capitalism..

However it's needs work, it can be fixed, the solutions can be realized, but Socialism or Communism is NOT the way.. They are about fairness and equality this is not the same as “human rights”

It is a paradigm that all are equally deserving of the same rewards irrelevant of achievement.

It is a paradigm that each ought to keep that which they steal for themselves while the unlucky and the incapable go without..

Those who achieve the greater good ought to receive the greater rewards. Then we all benefit through the achievement of the few, and they benefit even more.. Then all will seek the benefit of all, in order to achieve their own personal gain..

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@Setanta,

I am not looking for an argument, but rather a productive disscussion in which individuals offer solutions and ideas and debate whether or not those solutions would achive the logical goals of humanity..

I think essentially what I'm saying is there is an obvious definable goal for individuals and humanity which can guide us in the creation of appropriate laws/rules/regulations/systems..

"to be empowered to choose and achieve objectives"

Thus those laws/rules/regulations/systems ought to promote the creation of more options and more capabilities for all individuals..

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I'm just looking for some good curry. If you aren't looking for an argument, don't start one.

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@Setanta,

To have productive disscussion in which individuals offer solutions and ideas and debate whether or not those solutions would achive goals is NOT an argument, if you cannot resist insulting others without a justified logical argument then STAY OUT OF IT..

I am entitled to my opinion

I am entitled to be SMART

I am entitled to realize things before others..

GET OVER IT..

Or try to catch up..

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@Whatsignificant,

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I am entitled to realize things before others..

I am entitled to realize things after others.

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@Whatsignificant,

What a fuckin' idiot. I didn't insult anyone--i just told you that if you don't want to argue, don't start an argument. You're walkin' around with a huge chip on your shoulder.

You're "smart?" I've seen no evidence of that. I assure you that i don't need to "catch up" to you. Now, since you started this ****, you whiny little baby, there's some insults for you. It seems to me you were lookin' for a fight, so there you go.

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@Setanta,

I never said that you insulted anyone.. but now you have... but it's ok ...

I FORGIVE YOU..

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Oh how wonderful . . . you probably aren't quick enough to pick this up on your own, but i don't give a rat's ass.

Now we know, however, that you're a liar into the bargain:

You wrote:

To have productive disscussion in which individuals offer solutions and ideas and debate whether or not those solutions would achive goals is NOT an argument, if you cannot resist insulting others without a justified logical argument then STAY OUT OF IT..

Finally, you're still shouting . . . you don't need to shout. I can read just fine.

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@Whatsignificant,

Whatsignificant wrote:

It is a paradigm that all are equally deserving of the same rewards irrelevant of achievement.

It is a paradigm that each ought to keep that which they steal for themselves while the unlucky and the incapable go without.

It is a paradigm of pseudophilosophy to use the term "paradigm" in a meaningless way.

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@Whatsignificant,

All of this seems to be contingent on all those "we's" agreeing with one another. And the hypocrisy you endure can only come from the sublimated culture you so desire.

And dj and set were just fooling around. I've come to enjoy serious discussion much more when it's lightened up a bit.

And, finally... curry is ******* disgusting armpit sprinkles!

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@thack45,

thack45 wrote:

And, finally... curry is ******* disgusting armpit sprinkles!

Oh yeah . . . great, ain't it?

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@Setanta,

If you've ever had to work in another person's house after your lunch break - and the house smells like curry - yeah, that's the worst.

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I once worked for an Indian gentleman, and i asked him one day how many curries there were in India. He gave me an astonished look, and then said hundreds of millions. He was speaking literally--according to him, every woman in India has her own curry recipes. I suspect that there, entire cities smell like curry.

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@Setanta,

...how desperate can you be to peak a fight with a kiddo...he he he ! Wink

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Pick a fight . . . and i agree that he shouldn't pick fights--but i ceased to be a "kid" before you were born.

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