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military action against Libya

 
 
Fido
 
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Reply Wed 25 May, 2011 05:56 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

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I have personally met a Palestinian woman who lives in the Old City, but she doesn't have the freedom to travel in her own country
She is not allowed to travel in Jordan, previously Trans Jordan ? Why is that ?
Israel was also part of TransJordan... I think it was Fiesel who pointed out that there was no natural border between Israel, what was Palestine and the rest of Transjordan; but that is all the better for the Jews who favored taking the whole area...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 06:36 pm
@Fido,
An update on Libya from USA Today.
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Russia offers to mediate ex-ally Gadhafi's exit

Updated 20m ago |

DEAUVILLE, France (AP) — Russia abandoned one-time ally Moammar Gadhafi and offered Friday to mediate a deal for the Libyan leader to leave the country he has ruled for more than 40 years.

By Misha Japaridze, AP

The striking proposal by a leading critic of the NATO bombing campaign reflects growing international frustration with the Libyan crisis and a desire by the Kremlin for influence in the rapidly changing Arab landscape.

With Gadhafi increasingly isolated and NATO jets intensifying their attacks, Russia may also be eyeing Libya's oil and gas and preparing for the prospect that the lucrative Libyan market will fall into full rebel control.

Early on Saturday, two NATO air strikes shook the Libyan capital, Tripoli. It was not immediately clear what was targeted.

"He should leave," Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said of Gadhafi. "I proposed our mediation services to my partners. Everyone thinks that would be useful."

The proposal thrust Medvedev into the spotlight at a summit in France of Group of Eight rich nations. Talk of this year's Arab world uprisings has dominated the summit.

Analysts question whether Russia still has any leverage over Gadhafi, and the leaders of France, Britain and Germany said there's no point in negotiating directly with the Libyan leader himself.

"If Gadhafi makes this decision, which will be beneficial for the country and the people of Libya, then it will be possible to discuss the form of his departure, what country may accept him and on what terms, and what he may keep and what he must lose," Medvedev told reporters.

Medvedev said he is sending envoy Mikhail Margelov to the rebel stronghold of Benghazi immediately to start negotiating, and that talks with the Libyan government could take place later. Margelov said earlier Friday that it's necessary to negotiate with all "reasonable" representatives of the government, including Gadhafi's sons.

In response, Libya's deputy foreign minister, Khaled Kaim, said: "Russia is one of the traditional friends of Libya. … We don't think that Russia will sway its position to side with NATO."

He would not say whether Gadhafi had been informed of Medvedev's proposal, but told reporters in Tripoli that the Libyan leader was constantly watching the news.

South African President Jacob Zuma is also using his party's ties to Gadhafi to work out a peaceful outcome, heading to Libya on behalf of the African Union.
talk72000
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 06:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This will not improve America's standing with Arabs as this interference in the internal affairs of another country. If you live by the sword you will die by the sword. Gadhafi came by violence so I guess he will go out the same way.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 06:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Gadhafi would be a fool to leave Libya, as any promises to not turn him over the the international court are worthless.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 06:46 pm
@talk72000,
America's rep in the Middle East is already in the sewer, and who can blame them?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 06:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
I think it would depend on how close the UN bombings are to his home and/or where he spends most of his time.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 06:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I think it would depend on how close the UN bombings are to his home and/or where he spends most of his time.
No,dying is not a problem for this guy. He might care enough about his family to try to get them a safe exit, but there again any promises are not worth much. It is all about the reputation now, his legacy, and dying a martyr after holding out is the best way to go out a winner.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 06:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
Are you implying that Gaddafi doesn't spend time with his family and friends now? How safe can his family and friends be? His reputation outside of his army is worth an obit. The majority of Libyans want him out or dead. Martyrdom? ha ha ha ....
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2011 07:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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The majority of Libyans want him out or dead.
Proven false by his ability to resist NATO for two months so far....He does not do that without vast popular support.
Fido
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 10:00 am
@cicerone imposter,
He knows he can't run or hide... First we will take his money, and then his family, and then his life... We will own lybia when we are done just like we used to... He can give up if he wants, or die trying... We don't care because we have already made up our minds how the situation is going to end... It is written.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 10:03 am
@hawkeye10,
Resistance for two months is a drop in the bucket for the UN; Gaddafi's supply of military equipment is limited.

As a matter of fact, Gaddafi is trying to offer a straw for peace.
Fido
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 10:03 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
The majority of Libyans want him out or dead.
Proven false by his ability to resist NATO for two months so far....He does not do that without vast popular support.
Those people know what is coming without Gaddafi... We are going to own the place and stick them with the bill for the war just like we did in Iraq... They will have to clean everything up and start over and end up with some one worse and be 20 years older... There is no way they can win, but as long as that guy is there they are not beat..
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Fido
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 10:07 am
@cicerone imposter,
His defeat is inevitable... It is Kismet... Fate... We hate his guts, and he is going to die, there, or on the run...

No one gets away for long with thuming their nose at us... May be Mao, or Stalin if you have millions of people and a vast land to hide behind... No two cent tyrant is going last very long once we start counting coups...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 10:08 am
@Fido,
That's the same way I see it; Gaddafi's days are numbered. The people of Libya will not give up until he's gone. With the assist from the UN, Gaddafi doesn't have a prayer for survival.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 10:36 am
@cicerone imposter,
The UN hasn't done anything except reluctantly agree. It is the Lybian People along with Britain & France who are doing the job. For the latter, in view of their long history in creating the problems we are dealing with in the Islamic world (and in the case of the UK, in accepting Ghadaffi's bribes to release the convicted Lockerbie assassin) it is the very least they can do.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 02:50 pm
@georgeob1,
Gee, I thought that someone on this foram posted information showing that the U.S. had more military power in the area than either France or the UK.
Irishk
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 06:16 pm
@RABEL222,
Shhhhh.

Days...not weeks.
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Irishk
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 06:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
I think it would depend on how close the UN bombings are to his home and/or where he spends most of his time.

It's being reported that he's taken to spending his nights in hospitals.
roger
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 07:35 pm
@Irishk,
I probably wouldn't be feeling well in his position, either.
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Fido
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2011 08:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

That's the same way I see it; Gaddafi's days are numbered. The people of Libya will not give up until he's gone. With the assist from the UN, Gaddafi doesn't have a prayer for survival.
Except that it is not the people of Lybia... If it were the people, he would already be long gone... There is a minority, but even with Gaddafi gone, they will be outside looking in wondering why it is that our choice is leading their country, and their oil is floating away with nothing coming their way as payment... There revolutionaries are dupes and dopes...
 

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