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military action against Libya

 
 
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 08:30 am
@High Seas,
High Seas wrote:
Even Al Gore got a "Nobel peace prize" from that crew, as did several terrorists.

It's not that I have much good to say about Le Duc Tho of North Vietnam, who got that "peace" prize in 1973 jointly with Henry Kissinger, but I do have to say this: the Vietnamese man exhibited integrity unknowable to our local pest in turning down the prize - and its estimated $ one or half-million.

I agree: Henry Kissinger is indeed a terrorist.
High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 08:45 am
@joefromchicago,
Still is, by any definition. Angling to advise Republican candidates is his latest consulting trick - after he destroyed Nixon, it should be: Republicans, beware!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 09:09 am
@High Seas,
Republicans are now home-brewed terrorists who are destroying this country through their "NO" votes on many important issues for our country. Even in California where Gov Brown is trying to get four republicans to support his budget with republican supported cuts in education, pay and benefits cuts for state workers, cuts in health care for children and the handicap and the extension of tax increases approved several years ago are being denied a vote. Why are voters so stupid as to vote those republicans who doesn't provide solutions continually get voted in? They won't even negotiate for solutions; they only want to say "NO."

I'm sure this is the same scenario in other states.
High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 09:24 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Republicans are now home-brewed terrorists who are destroying this country through their "NO" votes .... They won't even negotiate for solutions....

Because there's no negotiating with the laws of arithmetic - as you know full well, being trained and very experienced in both accounting and finance. The Brown budget doesn't close the $27 billion gap, let alone the much larger actuarial hole of the contingent liabilities for those same pensions and benefits.

If bankruptcy is the only way for states to go then so be it - the last one to declare one, Arkansas, 1933, suffered no ill effects; maybe California can learn?

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 09:27 am
@High Seas,
High Seas wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Republicans are now home-brewed terrorists who are destroying this country through their "NO" votes .... They won't even negotiate for solutions....

Because there's no negotiating with the laws of arithmetic - as you know full well, being trained and very experienced in both accounting and finance. The Brown budget doesn't close the $27 billion gap, let alone the much larger actuarial hole of the contingent liabilities for those same pensions and benefits.


If we are allowed to have the tax increase vote on the ballot, it goes a long way towards doing so. But Republicans here have no intention of allowing that to happen, no matter how deep a hole we are in.

Republicans never seem to admit that a large part of the problem does indeed stem from low tax receipts at this time due to the recession, and in CA's case, the collapse of the mortgage industry. But these things are cyclical, and will improve over time.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 09:30 am
@High Seas,
That's what I call throwing the baby out with the bath water; there are better ways to find solutions to problems facing government. "No" is never a solution. They must work together for the best options available to minimize the pain for everybody concerned. These fiscal problems were created over a long period during both democratic and republican administrations; it's up to both to find solutions.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 11:14 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Republicans are now home-brewed terrorists who are destroying this country through their "NO" votes on many important issues for our country.
I see that you are doing with the word "terrorist" what we have done with the word "rape"...expand the definition so far that the word loses most of its meaning.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 11:20 am
@hawkeye10,
hawk, Look up the definition of terrorists. Also look for the definition of radical. You might begin to see how they relate.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 11:52 am
@cicerone imposter,
acts of participation in the democratic process are not terrorism ever. You violently disagree with another person, which is ok, but he is no more a terrorist than you are.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 12:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
What democratic process are you talking about? Just because there's no violence? The violence is against the American people who need our government to solve the many problems facing our country; and they are not. The performance rating for congress is at one of the lowest in history; that means most Americans are displeased with their performance.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 12:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
What democratic process are you talking about? Just because there's no violence?
You have the election, and then you take the vote. If one side has the votes they win. This is how democracy rolls. If you think the vote netted a bad result then get out and make a better argument, but dont call the winners terrorists....that only serves to highlight your lack of allegiance to the democratic process.
Quote:
The violence is against the American people who need our government to solve the many problems facing our country; and they are not
The American people have the remedy in hand,and the government failing to function when the citizens fail over a generation to demand good government and also fail to respect reality (IE, if we get something through the government we need to pay for it at some point) is the cause of the breakdown in government. It was not imposed upon us by Osama or anyone else.
Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 12:34 pm
Gates: "Not as long as I am in this job."

Quote:
Under withering congressional probing and criticism of an ill-defined mission to aid a rebel force that officials know little about, Gates and Joint Chiefs chairman Adm. Mike Mullen sketched out a largely limited role for the U.S. military going forward, with Gates saying some other country could train the rebels trying to oust strongman Moammar Gadhafi.

“My view would be, if there is going to be that kind of assistance to the opposition, there are plenty of sources for it other than the United States,” said Gates. “Somebody else should do that.”

Asked by one lawmaker whether the U.S. involvement might inevitably mean “boots on the ground” in Libya, Gates replied, “Not as long as I am in this job.”


I hope he's being straight with us. I also hope he keeps his job.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 12:42 pm
@Irishk,
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Asked by one lawmaker whether the U.S. involvement might inevitably mean “boots on the ground” in Libya, Gates replied, “Not as long as I am in this job.”
WOW, that is a huge lack of respect for the Commander in Chief. I suspect that it is also intended to be a warning to Obama that going any further is going to cause huge problems for him with-in his own administration. We know that there has always been the Hillary people and the Anti Hillary people in the Obama Admin, Hillary won this decision but there are limits to what the anti Hillary people will stomach.
Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 12:59 pm
Gates announced last August that he plans to retire this year. I wonder who would replace him? Hopefully, someone who shares his views.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 01:03 pm
A day or do ago I was reading commentary that if the west will not arm and train the rebels then the Muslim extremists will. Obviously the West can not be the air power for radicals financed by Iran or of Osama followers. It seems that the West assumed that Gadhafi would take a hike, but why they thought this IDK, as most of the experts believe that he intends to die either in battle or peacefully in his own bed in Libya from old age.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 01:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
Winning an election doesn't mean they're doing a good job. Here's some polls on congress; the same people who voted them in are also saying they are not doing their jobs. Get it?

http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 01:22 pm
By Anwar al-Awlaki
al-Qaeda military and spiritual leader...AKA terrorist

Quote:
Another place might be Libya. Omar al-Mukhtar had left the Libyans with a legacy of jihad against the West and as such Libyans have featured prominently in jihad work ever since. Al-Gadhafi has filled the Libyan prisons with thousands of our mujahidin brothers.With turmoil in Libya, these brothers will have a chance to regroup again and connect with their brothers in the Maghreb.With the events in Tunisia,Libya and Algeria, the jihad in the Islamic Maghreb is witnessing a new dawn.

Then there are the great expectations of what wiII come out of the Arabian Peninsula when the revolts reach the shores of the Gulf. Does the West not realize that there are thousands and thousands of mujahidin in Saudi prisons and elsewhere in the Arabian Peninsula? Doesn't the West realize how thejihadi work would just take off as soon as the regimes of the Gulf start crumbling?

Peter Bergen believes that al Qaeda is viewing the events with glee and despair.Glee yes,but not despair.The mujahidin around the world are going through a moment of elation and I wonder whether the West is aware of the upsurge of mujahidin activity in Egypt, Tunisia,Libya,Yemen, Arabia,Algeria,and Morocco? Is the West aware of what is happening or are they asleep with drapes covering their eyes? Or is what is happening too much for the West to handle at the moment and they are just bidding for time while attempting to prop up some new stooges who would return the area to the prerevolution era?

America,since 9-11, has been focused on the fight with the mujahidin in Afghanistan,Pakistan,Iraq and now Yemen.lt has devoted its resources and intelligence for the "fight on terror':But with what is happening now in the Arab world, America would no doubt have to divert some of its attention to the unexpected avalanche that is burying its dear friends. America has depended on these men for the dirty work of protecting the American imperial interests.They acted as point men that saved America the effort of doing it themselves but now with their fall,America would have to divert huge amounts of effort and money to cultivate a new breed of collaborators.This would force America,which is already an exhausted empire,to spread itself thin,which in turn would be a great benefit for the mujahidin.Even without this wave of change in the Muslim world, the jihad movement was on the rise.With the new developments in the area, one can only expect that the great doors of oppor tunity would open up for the mujahidin all over the world.
http://news.siteintelgroup.com/component/content/article/6-jihadist-news/567-awlakis-article-in-inspire-issue-5
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High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 01:41 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Could you give me a place to look this up or is it still a state secret. I remember when Ike made the allies back down but cant find anything about what you stated. Yes I goggled it.

Sorry I missed reading this sooner. All documents from that era are available under FOIA; though some may only be available with sections blacked out / otherwise redacted, or only at a central location where historians must visit in person in order to consult them and aren't allowed to make copies, I doubt minutes of that meeting fall in any of these categories. Texts of books aren't available on Google in their entirety, either. Look for memoirs of then members of the cabinet if you want to conduct a serious search - it's mentioned in several of them; and/or add the term "neo-colonialism" to your google search.
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Fido
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 03:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
Asked by one lawmaker whether the U.S. involvement might inevitably mean “boots on the ground” in Libya, Gates replied, “Not as long as I am in this job.”
WOW, that is a huge lack of respect for the Commander in Chief. I suspect that it is also intended to be a warning to Obama that going any further is going to cause huge problems for him with-in his own administration. We know that there has always been the Hillary people and the Anti Hillary people in the Obama Admin, Hillary won this decision but there are limits to what the anti Hillary people will stomach.
The man is obviously a good secretary of defense if he realizes the best way to win is not to fight... And, he is an even better secretary of Defense if he realizes that in a democracy our army is about defense, as is our whole existence...
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 03:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
What choice do we have. We can vote for a democrat or a republican who has been bought by big business and money people who will make sure that the middle class suck hind tit while the money people live high on the hog. Politicians vote the way money tells them, some great choice. You dont have a clue that your one of the ones being screwed. Unless your a big money man or a hired hand.
 

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