military action against Libya

The argument that it was about preserving life and prefenting bloodshed sure sounds a little empty with the idea of arming rebels, and giving cia support... It is all like fixing a scratch with an amputation...

Yea, CI. But I wonder how we snurfed into this. What department saw opportunity and had contacts to push it?

Perhaps Hillary, but I'm not an automatic anti hillary person. On the other hand..

This would be very annoying if we go into this for his being nicey to Hillary.

She has her finger prints all over that job

Stratford Global Intelligence confirmed that 100 Egyptian commandos have been in control of opposition forces since early March at Washington's behest. The UK SAS, US Special Forces and CIA operatives have been there according to Stratford for months.

An Israeli news website confirmed that indeed these forces had been there at the request of the US intelligence services to dictate control over the opposition movement and to impose spokespeople on it.

As we saw with Gates in Cairo where he was embracing Tatawi - the General who has now decreed it a crime, criminalizing strikes, demonstrations and sit-ins that hinder private or state-owned businesses effect the economy in any way; a decree, which assigns severe punishment to any who call or incite action with prison sentences assigned; the state of emergency maintained- this same General Tatawi with Gates has acknowledged that Egyptian forces are in Libya carrying out an operation against the Gaddafi regime in nominal support of the opposition, which is no longer an opposition to anything that imperialism would fear.

And that's the object of this exercise. It is an imperial undertaking aimed at the workers and population in North Africa, Tunisia and Egypt, Yemen and the slaughter in Bahrain - absolute total reign of terror at work in Bahrain with all doctors and surgeons being rounded up, disappeared, kidnapped and killed; that's the real character of this imperial intervention to subjugate the peoples of the region with yet another bloody imperial occupation.

Press TV: How do you feel about the argument that if the intervention in Libya succeeds and democracy is brought in there that would be a good thing for the other democratic movements throughout the region?

Schoenman: It's nauseating hypocrisy - there is little interest in democratic movements anywhere. These dictatorial regimes have been maintained by the US with funds and arms over decades e.g. 74 billion dollars given to the Egyptian military.

For the record: Gaddafi privatized 306 major industries, signed a declaration with Condoleezza Rice in joining the World Trade Organization (WTO) and imposing the criteria and requirements of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the issue of nominal nationalization when in fact the de facto operation of oil has been turned over to these major conglomerates speaks to the actual character of the regime - It's being deployed now or rendered like Noriega and Saddam Hussein who worked with Washington for 27 years.

But the basic operation here in respect to the uprising in Libya, which in its initial phase had the same character and quality, particularly amongst the working class given 30 percent unemployment and an 85 percent increase in food stuffs over a space of just months - a crisis for the population. The consequence upon the capitulation to the demands of world capital and imperial regimes of the likes of Chaney and Richard Pearle, the Prince of Darkness as he's called, has brought a cynical operation, a pretext for intervention.

As for Sarkozy and the NATO allies - the capitalist ruling class in France had an extremely close relationship to the Gaddafi family. France, Italy and Great Britain were cultivating Gaddafi in every possible way and were in fact fating him and his family insofar as they were obtaining concession. There was of course inter-imperial rivalry, but the base of NATO is to obtain crumbs from the table of conquest and that's the basic relationship that is unfolding as we speak.

The US will dictate the military and economic agenda and make some minor concessions to their junior partners in European, colonial and capitalist regimes.
But the basic issue we have to confront is that humanitarian concerns has absolutely nothing to do with a country (US) whose ruling class has killed 2.5 million people in Iraq; a half million people in Afghanistan; and continues to slaughter them in Bahrain and Yemen and across the world - Do we really think it is possible to assign humanitarian concerns to a ruthless ruling class conducting an imperial of such genocidal nature and consistent subjugation of peoples across the planet. No one should be taken in by this. Today Libya tomorrow Iran and no other country is safe.

They have a couple of hundred military bases; everywhere the US projects its military control to subjugate and immiserate the peoples of the world and put them before a torture apparatus funded by the CIA and the Mossad in every singly example one can cite with the addition of the British in Bahrain whose Ian Henderson conducted for four decades a torture apparatus that is rival to none.

That's the real face of imperialism

For anyone interested, here's a Der Spiegel article about the backlash from different u.s. commentators on Germany's - and specifically their foreign minister, Guido Westerwell's - decision to abstain in the UN Security Council vote for military action in Libya.

Berlin broke ranks with the United States, France and Britain last week, joining China, Russia, India and Brazil in abstaining during a United Nations vote that approved a no-fly zone over Libya.
Arriving at an EU foreign ministers' meeting, Germany's Guido Westerwelle said Arab League criticism of the air strikes had vindicated Germany's reluctance to back the action.

"We calculated the risk. If we see that three days after this intervention began, the Arab League already criticises (it), I think we had good reasons," Westerwelle told reporters.
"We see that we have reasons for our concern."
Berlin had long made clear it would not support a U.N. resolution, saying it did not believe a no-fly zone or air strikes would be successful in driving Gaddafi out or in protecting Libyan civilians.
At the weekend, the Arab League said it was concerned about the French- and British-led bombing of targets in Libya, saying it could lead to civilian casualties. But the Arab League's secretary general clarified on Monday that he still respected the U.N. resolution authorising military action on Libya.
Despite opposition to air strikes, Westerwelle underlined that Germany was strongly supportive of EU efforts to oust Gaddafi through economic and financial sanctions, saying that should be the focus of efforts to end his 41-year-old rule


Read more: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/125009/20110321/germany-defends-libya-stance-eu-toughens-sanctions.htm#ixzz1I98zMRzP

Your interest is the oil.

They took the risk.

It is not like it happened the first time.

Getting into Vietnam was easy as well.

At the end of the final war, they leveled Carthage and sowed the soil with salt

Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Getting into Vietnam was easy as well.

And the Romans just beat the Carthaginians by the barest margin.....what is your point ?

You're always peddling bullshit, as if you knew what you are talking about. The Romans absolutely buried the Carthaginians in three wars. At the end of the final war, they leveled Carthage and sowed the soil with salt to prevent anyone from living there again. It is just incredible to me how often you just make **** up solely for the sake of arguing with other people here.

I knew that would bring you out of hiding ! You, the great historian ....if you dont know it then someone made it up ! You are one hell of a ******* joke, **** for brains !

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At the end of the final war, they leveled Carthage and sowed the soil with salt

Sowing the soil with salt is an expression....salt was valuable...they might just as well have sowed the soil with money....here's a question you can easily answer...what did they do to the soil ? Why was the soil reusable by the time they rebuilt Carthage as a Roman city ? Off to google with you....

Soooo...what were the three wars for if they won so easily...perhaps they were just toying with them ? Why were they so vicious if they won so easily ?

Never heard of Hannibal ? Or his father ? You are always peddling bullshit from google....you know next to nothing and yet your stupidity and ego bring you into yet another fray where you dont have a chance to win . I baited you and it worked ! I knew you wouldnt know enough about it but would have to comment anyway, being all stupid and arrogant as you are.....want to call me a troll because this time I deserve it !