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The nature of Scott Walker's support

 
 
Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 07:22 pm
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/outstate_wisconsin_vs_the_unio.html

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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's support has been found, but to do so it looks like a reporter needs to leave Milwaukee and Madison. Bloomberg observes that Katherine Cramer Walsh of the University of Wisconsin-Madison reports that she found "bitterness while doing research in 27 communities, where many residents work multiple jobs without benefits while local government employees have health coverage and pensions."

"I heard a lot of comments and conversations about the rural-urban divide in our state," said Walsh, an associate professor of political science. "I was very struck by how resentful people in so-called outstate Wisconsin are of Madison and Milwaukee."

The Bloomberg story links to her blog site which leaves one reduced to shouting "duh!"

What I have learned is that there's a map that can explain a lot of the current tensions in Wisconsin. It is the map of the state itself. In Wisconsin, there are two main metro regions, one surrounding the largest city and industrial center, Milwaukee, and the other surrounding our state capitol and home of the flagship public university, Madison. The rest of the state is referred to as "outstate."
For many of the people I've talked with in outstate Wisconsin, their understanding of power, values, and resources goes like this (I'm paraphrasing here):

All of our taxpayer dollars get sucked in by Madison, diverted to Milwaukee, and we never see them again. The people in Madison are out of touch with the lives of people in rural and small town Wisconsin, and they are liberals and elitists who for the most part work for the state and have cushy health care and pensions. In addition, they are lazy. They can't possibly be working as hard as the rest of us who are working 2-3 jobs to make ends meet out here in these communities from which we can see businesses, industry, and farms leaving on a daily basis.

In this framework, public employees, especially public union members, are an easy target. Enterprising politicians, in the midst of a downturned economy can portray public employees as people out of step with hard working Americans. They can tap into the following types of sentiments (again paraphrasing):

They don't know what it is like to spend upwards of $1200 a month for health care for one's family. They don't know what it is like to live in a community that most politicians never visit or listen to. And they certainly don't know what it is like to have dedicated one's life to hard work and traditional values.

Obviously, the folks in Wisconsin's fly-over counties are on to something. The Madison liberals should rejoice. They've convinced everyone of socialism, class envy and tax the rich. Of course the public sector workers never figured they'd end being the rich.

Bill Weckesser
E. Lansing, MI

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 07:47 pm
@gungasnake,
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All of our taxpayer dollars get sucked in by Madison, diverted to Milwaukee, and we never see them again.
Much like the bitter battles between Chicago and the rest of Illinois over the last generation, which have crippled the state politically and now economically...
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 08:28 pm
There is no way to spin this as rural vs. urban. Social service spending figure doesn't back you up at all. Small farmers are very upset with Governor Walker as evidenced by the tractor protest they held.


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gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 08:30 pm
@hawkeye10,
The article spells it out. Those people are working two and three jobs trying to make ends meet and having their money taken to pay for these lush public union deals, who wouldn't be pissed?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 08:37 pm
@gungasnake,
The article represents an irrational position, and a minority position. Walker is hurting rural communities as well, and many rural Wisconsonites understand this (and are quite upset with Walker).

The polls back this up, Scott Walker's approval rating keeps sinking.

The "lush public unions deals" line isn't working because people aren't buying it. These are teachers, and fire fighters and social service workers who make a difference doing jobs that you wouldn't want. The salary thing doesn't even work. If you compare public employees with private sector employees with the same educational background, private sector employees earn more then their public sector counterparts.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 08:48 pm
@maxdancona,
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The article represents an irrational position, and a minority position.


You're telling me Walker just lost this last election and that only a minority of anybody in Wisconsin backs him??

http://hksheel.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/dreamworld_logo.jpg

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_qaULiBVm1eFCy80NA2U_GsS8iBh2lbkdPj-_cYUEytPdZ5kEnQ

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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 08:52 pm
@gungasnake,
Politicians get elected by appealing to some number of people in the middle who vote for them under the assumption that they won't go off the deep end. Walker got these votes and went off the deep end anyway.

Walker gave tax breaks to the wealthiest people, and then is asking for sacrifice from everyone else. This will be awfully hard for him to spin.

He is going to have trouble keeping his job in January (the earliest possible time to recall him).
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 08:53 pm
@maxdancona,
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The "lush public unions deals" line isn't working because people aren't buying it. These are teachers, and fire fighters and social service workers who make a difference doing jobs that you wouldn't want.


You're talking about indoctrinating kids not lucky enough to get into private schools at three or four times the cost of the private schools (which would in fact be affordable if parents didn't have to pay to support the pubic schools and THEN worry about where money for real schools for their own kids comes from)? I mean, I always figured demoKKKrats viewed that as just dirty work needing done...

Have you considered asking George Soros for the money for the NEA operatives rather than taking it out of the hide of ordinary working people?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 08:54 pm
@gungasnake,
Teachers, farmers and fire fighters aren't ordinary working people?
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 09:23 pm
@maxdancona,
Members of public unions aren't.
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