Are you against Christian Sharia Law?

They are feelings when they aren't based on facts.


Is there a set number of mosques that are allowed? What does the number of mosques in NYC mean to you? This very mush is about religious freedom because it is religion that is being used against this group. There could be no more clear application of religious freedom.


Location does mean something. It means remaining in the same community that the current mosque serves. Moving it away is unnecessary. They didn't choose the location because of 9/11. Can you prove that they did? Unless you can support that they did, you're basing your opinion completely on your feelings. It is an emotional argument.


Your metaphor is getting more confusing.

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But they are based on facts. You haven't established that they aren't. Let's start there.

Who does your Imam represent and which Sharia nations is he allied with?

My metaphor is exactly on target. You are nothing more than a useful idiot for the enemy of freedom. Your support for Sharia Law is counter to everything American.

Just to understand you correctly: you certainly ask similar about any other minister of a religion, e.g. what people a Catholic priest represents (e.g. Spanish or Irish or Italian or German) and to which nation he is related with (easy: most certainly to the Holy Sea).

Oh, I see. The obstacle here is that you want to believe Park51 is somehow related to 9/11.


He isn't my Imam. I'm not a Muslim.

The Imam in question is quite a good friend to the USA. He has in the past assisted the FBI and other intelligence agencies with fighting radical Islamic groups. He is aligned with no sharia nations. Many Mullahs would probably be happy to see him dead.

I guess you could learn this on your own if you'd google his biography first before asking a question. I don't mind sharing though, so I don't mind helping you now and then. I suggest you read more.

I guess that clears it up. You have asked about who is building Park51, and now you've been answered. You now know it will serve an already existing community in lower Manhattan, it will be open to non-muslims and have non-muslim activities (much like a YMCA), and that the leader of the project is an American ally who has helped fight against terror groups. Being that you have yet to provide a factual basis for your fear that this is a victory mosque related to 9/11, you can now relax. It must be relieving to have more knowledge.

The only way it wouldn't be is if you simply wanted to hate these people and were insistent on your narrative in spite of the facts presented to you.


"On target?" You keep adding dimensions to this metaphor. Bending over, which is why I'm in a ditch on target. This is very complicated. How about you simply say what you mean instead of using metaphors. It may make it easier for you to communicate your feelings.


How is supporting Muslims in lower Manhattan obtain equal protection make me a useful idiot? In protecting their freedoms, I'm protecting my own. If Christians are not allowed to over reach, neither are Muslims. This is a simple ethical standard.


I do not support Sharia law. I'd say it's more likely that you'll find Christians who support:

No homosexuality.
No abortion.
No pornography.
Strict drug laws.
Sex only within the confines of marriage.

Every time Christians find a way to legislate against the above, they make our society more like that of sharia rule. I don't support that.

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Here's are Imam Rauf's own words. He can't even admit that Hamas is a terrorist organization. Do you agree that Hamas is not a terrorist organization? Let's start there.

http://www.aclj.org/media/pdf/ImamRauf-InHisOwnWords-20100811.pdf

Here is some more from the Imam you support.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/05/911-mosque-imam-feisal-abdul-rauf-blames-christians-the-us-and-the-west-must-acknowledge-the-harm-th.html

Here's a bit about your source
[url]... one of the oldest-and largest-evangelical academic library organizations in existence, with more than 500 individual and nearly 150 institutional members ...[/url]

Well, and 'Pamella Geller' truly seems to be what she has been awarded: "GRANDE CONSERVATIVE BLOGRESS DIVA", "known primarily for her criticisms of Islam and opposition to Muslim activities and causes".

I stand by my information posted. Do you have anything to counter the comments made by Imam Rauf?

Do you believe America is responsible for Islamic terrorism?

Yes. Look it up e.g. at the dozens of sources quoted in the wikipedia article.

Or via the FBI.

And? So what! She hasn't broken any laws. I'm against Islam. I'm also against Nazism, communism, socialism, and any other totalitarian doctrine. Aren't you?

Just so everyone knows who the author is.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/about.html

Yes, I agree. I'd add for relevance, that I think Israel also engages in terrorism.

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So Hamas is not a terrorist organization. At least you didn't evade the question like Imam Rauf did. Your reply tells me all I need to know about you. Thanks.

Here is another interesting article.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/chrisfield/2011/03/23/shariah_law_in_america_the_islamists_plan_to_destroy_us_from_within

Rauf is quite correct that Christians need to own their role in this.

So, what does any of this have to do with the non existent threat sharia law in the USA or Park51 being legally built?

I'm weary to give too much credit to your source's commentary since they refer to Park51 as the "9/11 mosque." That is ill-informed and plays (again) to emotionalism instead of rationalism.

Did you read the factcheck.org info I linked to?

You seem to be struggling to address in full the questions I post to you. Perhaps you should use the quote function like I do and divide a post up into smaller parts so you don't forget to respond to questions. I'm very interested in your answers, but you often forget to reply to them.

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What role do Christians own in Islamic terrorism?

Neither has Rauf or his community.


What does "against" mean in practical terms. Would you deny service at your job (whatever it is that you do) to a Muslim if they came into your store/shop?


Me too.


Marx, Trotsky, or maybe you haven't read into the history so both?


In your own words, can you tell me what the difference is between socialism and communism? Did you go to public schools? Do you bathe in tap water? Where you live do you have a fire dept and police force?


Christianity is a totalitarian doctrine as well. It goes further than all the things you've mentioned so far. It will even condemn you for thought crime. You can be guilty of things you've only thought about. That is about as totalitarian as they come.

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I said it is one. You misread. Perhaps this is part of the communication issue you are experiencing. Slow down your reading and collect your thoughts before posting.


Why was it important for him to have an opinion on it?


You're welcome, but I think you need to know more. I play soccer, and I listen to the Clash and the Pixies when I'm cleaning my apartment. I have a cat named Hipster, and I grew up in Missouri where I went to college to be an engineer. There are lots of things I think you should know.

Why don't you tell us about yourself? What did you study in college? Where did you grow up?

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It's not really an article as much as it is an advertisement. They also offer no annotations to support any of their claims. It doesn't concern you that they they didn't include material to support their claims?

Did you read the fact check article yet? It does provide sources for it's information.

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