@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:
You've got it backwards. Looks to those of us with common sense that the muslims are the ones who are trying to make us live according to their world view.
Praising yourself as having "common sense" is about a meaningful as giving yourself a "world's best boss mug." You can't assert your own common sense, it has to be observed by others. I'll point out some of the areas for you in which you are not demonstrating it.
Renaldo Dubois wrote:
The fact that you and your pals around here are haters of Christians is deplorable.
I do not hate Christians. At the same time, Christians are not beyond contempt. Nobody is.
Renaldo Dubois wrote:
It has to do with victory symbols.
9/11 wasn't a victory for Islam.
Renaldo Dubois wrote:
We know why the mosque is being built there.
People who care to read do know the reason. The reason is plainly that the current mosque is too small for all of it's members and they need a larger space. One floor of the Park51 space was going to be used for this, and other secular outreach activities.
Renaldo Dubois wrote:
That is what muslims do. Every place they conquor they erect a mosque.
How about a more rational view. Anywhere Christians/Muslims/Buddists are, a church/mosque/temple will most likely exist. Muslims exist in new york, and so the presence of mosques should not be translated as conquest.
You are employing emotionalism, not rationalism.
Renaldo Dubois wrote:
There are many mosques in NYC. Why do they need one so desparately at that site? You can't ask yourself that because you know the answer.
I have asked, and the answer was not so elusive. They are a new york community in lower Manhattan, the only place that makes sense to find a space is lower Manhattan. Why would they decide to build away from their community? That doesn't make any sense.
Renaldo Dubois wrote:
No one cares if they are part of the community.
Plenty of people do.
Renaldo Dubois wrote:
What we care about is the domination that they expect will be theirs by slowly taking ground. They take their time and pretty soon we will look like France and have to pass laws to keep our nation from looking like Pakistan.
What domination comes from Park51? Specifically.
Renaldo Dubois wrote:
No thanks. When you come to America, you melt. They don't want to melt.
Nonsense.
1) Muslims in the USA adapt a lot of western culture such as dress and manner of speech.
2) What melting have you done? You can't expect others to do what you don't. I suspect that melting is something you expect of others exclusively. You want other people who move here to adopt to your expectations.
We'll add egoism to the list of things you need to work on.
Renaldo Dubois wrote:
They will eventually want to rul like they always do. Read a history book because in my educated opinion you know absolutely nothing about Islam.
History books won't agree. History books will show more Christan rulers taking lands and building victory churches. I think your projecting Christianity's history onto Muslims.
That's blushing.
Renaldo Dubois wrote:
Your mosque is not being built at that site. You lost. Accept it and move on with your next project.
It's not
my mosque, and Park51 probably will be built in the next few years.
Renaldo Dubois wrote:
Ever hear the term "Useful Idiots"?
Yes. It is a cliche conservative talking point that leverages emotional rejection of a person. See also: poisoning the well.
Renaldo Dubois wrote:
Notice how I replied to you. That is how you debate on the internet.
I did notice. I notice much in your posts. In reply, I'm not convinced that in terms of debate, there is a special way to do it "on the internet." More likely proper intellectual exchange operates on the same rules under all circumstances. Given how your rhetorical style of emotionalism and ad hominems, I'd say that your post is certainly a good example of how many people express their feelings on the internet. It however is not how facts and data are exchanged in order to reach more informed views.
You've got a long way, but hang in there.
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