reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2011 03:23 pm
@georgeob1,
Was what parados said true or false? If false please explain! Thanks
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 06:58 pm
@reasoning logic,
To which of his statements are you referring ? Several of them don't make any sense at all.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 07:08 pm
@georgeob1,
Thank you for taking the time.

Please explain how this statement is wrong.

[The legislature can pass laws and then ignore the laws simply because they are the legislature, It puts the legislature above the law. ]
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2011 10:43 pm
@reasoning logic,
The U.S. Congress is not subject to the civil service, equal opportunity or other labor laws it has passed. Same goes for other laws. Until very recently the Congress operated an archaic coal-fired steam generating plant in Southeast Washington, not far from the Capitol, to provide (originally) heating steam and electrical power to that building and the original office buildings for the legislators. No attempt was ever made to have it comply with EPA regulations, and the EPA never dared attempting to enforce its policies on the body that created it. (My company provides engineering services to the Architect of the Capitol who ran the plant). Congressmen are even immune from arrest for nearly any crime while Congress is in session.

In short the legislature is an independent branch of government. It is subject only to its own rulles and the Constitution, particularly on matters relating to its legislative activities.

There are ample legal precedents for all this both in Federal and state law. The preliminary ruling of the Wisconsin court overturning the legislature's action violated all of them.

That, in short, was also the substance of the Wisconsin Supreme Court Ruling on the matter. You can easily find and read it.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2011 07:17 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
The U.S. Congress is not subject to the civil service, equal opportunity or other labor laws it has passed.

You really should check your "facts" george because they aren't really Facts.

http://www.compliance.gov/the-act/covered-laws/

http://www.compliance.gov/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/CAA.pdf

http://www.compliance.gov/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/CAA-Handbook.pdf


I am curious as to which EPA regulations you think the Capitol plant didn't comply with? Give us the date the plant was updated and the proper EPA rules weren't followed.
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2011 07:40 am
The Republican recall elections are in 13 days. Is anyone following the polls there to have an idea on the outcome?
parados
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2011 08:29 am
@JPB,
Here's one from a few days ago
http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/07/21/wisconsin-fourth-senate-republican-seen-behind-in-recall-poll/

It shows 4 of the GOP Senators possibly losing their seats. Report yesterday that Walker, who had been keeping a low profile during the recall races, finally sent out an email looking for support and money for them.

http://www.wuwm.com/programs/news/view_news.php?articleid=8905
JPB
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2011 09:03 am
@parados,
Interesting.

Thanks!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2011 10:21 am
@parados,
Sounds encouraging; I hope the democrats succeed in taking over the state house - and remove Walker, another extremist conservative who is dangerous to the middle/working class.
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revelette
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2011 07:17 am
DMV to add hours, offices to address increased demand for photo IDs

Quote:
The state Division of Motor Vehicles unveiled details of a major expansion of services Thursday, tweaking a preliminary proposal that had created a controversy among some lawmakers.
Department of Transportation Secretary Mark Gottlieb said the expansion leaves all current offices open, increases the total number of offices across the state from 88 to 92 and drastically expands the hours of operation for some 40 counties.

The change, expected to cost about $6 million the first year and $4 million every year going forward, was called for by Gov. Scott Walker's 2011-13 budget and was meant to address an increase in demand for photo IDs in the wake of the state's new law requiring voters to show ID at the polls.
"This is going to make it much easier for people," Gottlieb said. "It is a massive expansion of services to the public."

The plan announced Thursday differed markedly from the one first unveiled last month, which called for closing as many as 16 offices while expanding office hours elsewhere. That proposal was immediately panned by some as unfairly targeting Democratic areas.
State Rep. Andy Jorgensen, D-Fort Atki


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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2011 04:46 pm
Tomorrow is the day.

Quote:
he chart below shows the 2008 and 2010 results for all six districts being contested Tuesday. The columns under the heading “GOP advantage” show the difference between Republican performance at the district level and Republican performance statewide. For example, the GOP vote for governor last year was 5.9 points higher in Sheila Harsdorf's district than it was statewide; the GOP vote for president in '08 was 5.6 points higher in her district than it was statewide:


See chart at link


The numbers show that one of the six districts (the 32nd, represented by Dan Kapanke) voted less Republican than the state as a whole in 2008 and 2010. Kapanke is widely seen as the GOP incumbent most likely to be knocked off Tuesday.

The other five voted more Republican than the state as a whole. (Of the five, all but Harsdorf's district were also carried by conservative Justice David Prosser in the ultra-close April 5 Supreme Court race).

In short, five of the six districts in play Tuesday are clearly GOP-leaning in their makeup. That’s no surprise. These are all Senate seats held by Republicans in a terrible GOP year (2008). The GOP advantage isn’t huge. It’s not big enough to make these districts “safe” for Republicans. But it’s real.

It’s also one reason why these hugely anticipated recall races have been so hard to handicap. Democrats have certain things going for them in the recall fight: they’ve been intensely mobilized in opposition to Gov. Walker; they benefit from the organizational strength of labor; and Walker’s polling numbers have been weak. But Democrats are running “uphill” in five of the six elections Tuesday, trying to capture districts that are more Republican than the state as a whole in their partisan makeup. In order to overcome that disadvantage, they have to win the turnout battle, carry independents or both.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/127270843.html

My prediction is that the Dems come away + 1 or 2, not enough to change the agenda in Madison, and that this entire effort will be seen as a defeat for the dems.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2011 04:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
So not only are the recall elections ugly and unnecessary, they're expensive - and offer even more reason for campaign finance reform that requires transparency from all groups. In fact, these recalls may offer the best argument for holding such elections only in the cases of exceptionally egregious behavior by a politician.

To reiterate a point we made earlier: The Journal Sentinel is not making any recommendations in the recalls that will be held the next two Tuesdays.

Recalls over policy arguments are unwarranted. Such arguments are best resolved on the floors of legislative bodies or at the ballot box during regular elections. Recalls should be used to punish gross malfeasance or corruption - something that cannot wait for the normal election cycle - not to overturn the results of an election or to dispute policy differences.

To reiterate another: These campaigns have been particularly ugly, with ads on each side making over-the-top claims and portraying the opposition candidate as the enemy of virtually all that is good. Intelligent debate on the issues has been sadly lacking. Here's hoping - and we admit that it's a feeble hope - that the next time around the almost apocalyptic tone of elections will be toned down.

And it turns out these ads have been financed by an extraordinary amount of money from third-party groups, a fact that should surprise no one. A Journal Sentinel article last week noted that a coalition of unions has collected $9.7 million to help Democrats in the recalls, nearly $4.8 million of it in July alone.

That's more than the total collected by all 12 candidates in the Aug. 9 election, who have collected a little more than $5 million. The four candidates in two Aug. 16 elections haven't reported their most recent spending.

Conservative groups also have been spending a ton of money - but no one knows exactly how much. Which shows what's wrong with the system. State law doesn't require such reporting if the ads are "issue ads" that don't directly urge a vote for or against a particular candidate, even if the ad criticizes the candidate.

The union groups such as We Are Wisconsin are registered with the state and thus report their spending and sources of income. Other groups that have been active such as Club for Growth Wisconsin and Americans for Prosperity are not registered and have not reported such information.

We Are Wisconsin called on those groups to do so. We agree. Citizens deserve to know where the money comes and how much is being spent. They deserve to know which interests are aligned with each candidate and why.

A survey of television spending at four Milwaukee network affiliates last week found conservative groups with more spending than liberal groups, though in the same ballpark. Both types of groups far exceeded the spending by the campaigns of Sen. Alberta Darling (R-River Hills) and her Democratic opponent, Rep. Sandy Pasch of Whitefish Bay.

Mike McCabe, executive director of the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign, which tracks campaign spending and other election issues, told the Journal Sentinel that his group estimated expenditures of $12 million to $13 million statewide by outside groups, registered and unregistered.

Spending in the Darling-Pasch race already exceeds the state record of $3 million for a single state Senate race set in 2000. That's extraordinary, especially when one considers that the recall is over Darling's support for Gov. Scott Walker's budget-repair bill and budget. Certainly, some of the criticism over Walker's measures is warranted. It may well have gone too far, too fast.

But it didn't warrant a recall election or the expenditure of this much money to distort the records of two good legislators.

At the very least, give voters the transparency to know who is spending all that money and how much is being spent.


Conservative groups should disclose the information voluntarily. But legislators need to rethink the current system and require the transparency that voters deserve.


http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/126866498.html
revelette
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 06:43 am
Wisconsin Recall Vote Could Embolden Dems, Limit GOP Cost-Cutting

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Wisconsins head to the polls today in six recall votes that both political parties stress have implications not just for the Badger state but the entire country.

Outside groups on both sides have poured in millions of dollars for television advertising and get-out-the-vote efforts. Democrats hope to take three of the seats to flip the state Senate from Republican to Democratic control, and also set the stage for similar collective bargaining and budget fights in other states.

Six Republican state senators are facing recall votes today in mostly tight races that will depend on voter turnout in an unusual summer election, when much of the electorate are thinking more about vacations than going to the polls.

Joe Heim, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin-LaCrosse, said Democrats appear to have more enthusiasm but it's a tossup at this point.

"It looks right now like two seats are leaning Democratic and two are in the tossup category," he said. "Two of the races were leaning Republican up until this week, which seems to be picking up a trend that the Democrats may do better than expected."


More at the source.

Will be interesting to see how the day ends there.

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parados
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 07:08 am
@hawkeye10,
So.. democratic groups report what they are spending. Conservative groups are NOT reporting it.

Why is that not a big surprise?
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Irishk
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 10:16 pm
Republicans have been reelected in Districts 02, 10 and 14. Democrats have won in Districts 18 and 32.

That leaves District 08 and Waukesha is slow in reporting, but last update looks like R is ahead of D by slim margin (getting my info from DailyKos which is barely moving because I'm on my old computer lol).

Races have been close, I think...Luther Olsen (R) beat Fred Clark (D) in SD-14 by a margin of 52% to 48%.

Might be another hour (or more) before they can call SD-08.
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Irishk
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 11:03 pm
Update: News 3 in Wisconsin has called the race for Darling, so GOP holds the Senate, wins 4 of the 6 recall seats.

Tweet from Nate Silver an hour or so ago:

Quote:
In total, GOP leads 52-48 among all votes counted so far tonight in Wisconsin. Walker won those districts 56-43, Obama won them 53-46.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 11:24 pm
@Irishk,
WJS has not called it yet but at 54-46 with 84% counted it seems likely.

A good roundup is here

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/127435173.html

I said that the D's would pick up 1 or 2, not enough to matter. I seem to have been correct, again.

Edit: one minute later WJS calls it.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2011 11:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
District 8 turns out to be a blow-out...54-46% going to the R's.

The closest race was the 18th, which ended up going D by 2% of the vote. The Repubs came very close to only losing the one that they expected to lose, the 32nd which had not gone to Walker and which often tends to go D anyways. Both the D's and the R's are claiming victory, but to my mind this night was clearly a win for the REPUBS. They are still in power, all of that previous ranting and raving by D's and the labor unions did not amount to much at the ballot box.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2011 12:28 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
If the Republicans hold the Senate, I think they can see that as a ratification of the policies they adopted,” said Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin political science professor

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/2011/08/09/gIQA7h0S5I_story.html?hpid=z2

Done..... the citizens have spoken, again, in support of Walker. Those who marched around town for the cameras and sat in the public buildings yelling, partying and munching on pizza when they were supposed to be at work did not speak for the majority in spite of loud claims from multiple A2K'ers to the contrary.
failures art
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2011 02:03 am
Certainly a battle victory evening to the GOP, but net loss that otherwise would have never come about without the recall. I'm not surprised at your summary, Hawk. Then again, in your mind, I'm sure recall votes happen all the time, and those two Republicans were planning on leaving tonight anyways...

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