parados
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2011 03:16 pm
@georgeob1,
You don't seem to know the difference between exempted in the law vs included in the law.

I asked you about Congress including themselves in the law and then refusing to follow the law they passed simply because they are Congress.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2011 06:55 pm
@parados,
I didn't mistake anything. You were trying to put words in my mouth, and I simply ignored it and stated the facts. Legislatures such as the Congress of the United States and the Wisconsin Legislature are governed only by their respective constitutions in carrying out their constitutionally mandated legislative functions. That's why congressment and senators are immune from restraint or arrest, even for clear crimes, while they are attending to their legislative duties.

This too was the finding of the Wisconsin Supreme Court and as the Court noted that finding was in keeping with both the State constitution and past judicial precedent in the state.
revelette
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2011 07:14 am
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2011 08:30 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
the finding of the Wisconsin Supreme Court and as the Court noted that finding was in keeping with both the State constitution and past judicial precedent in the state.


This was before or after a male judge physically attacked a female judge during a session of the court?

In any case, as the vote follow party lines one had every right to question how must of ruling was driven by law compare to being driven by politic.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2011 08:37 am
@BillRM,
You can question any damn thing you want. The new law in Wisconsin liberating its government grom the death grip of public employee unions is now in effect.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2011 08:51 am
@georgeob1,
And as soon as the recall vote occur the death grip of the GOP will begin to be removed from the state.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2011 10:26 am
@BillRM,
Don't hold your breath. Once the public employees discover they can't be forced to pay union dues it will be all over for the organized labor sheep tenders.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2011 10:33 am
@parados,
parados, It's a wonder you haven't noticed that the laws passed by congress doesn't apply to congress. That's been common knowledge - like forever.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2011 02:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The argument was about the legislature specifically applying a law to the legislature. Congress exempts itself but they state they are exempt.

Wisconsin law states that it applies to the legislature. They didn't exempt themselves. They did the opposite. They specifically included themselves. Then when it came time to apply the law they suddenly declared themselves exempt in direct contradiction to the way they wrote the law.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2011 02:38 pm
@parados,
That is not consistent with the findings of the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2011 04:10 pm
@georgeob1,
Given those dues are the engine that allow them to be in the middle class I do not think so.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2011 04:36 pm
@BillRM,
Then why is it that in any of the 20 or so right to work states in this country, where unions can freely operate and organize workers, but workers cannot be forced to join unions as a condition of keeping their jobs, the unions have almost no membership?
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2011 06:29 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

That is not consistent with the findings of the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

Really? And what do you think they ruled?
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jul, 2011 08:14 pm
@parados,
They ruled that the State Legislature acted within the guidlines established for its operation by the state constitution.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jul, 2011 08:07 pm
@georgeob1,
Yep..

So they ruled the legislature can require that the legislature follow a law and then ignore that law later.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2011 12:02 am
@parados,
No, they addressed only the constitutional limitations on the legislatures actions, implicitly recognizing the legislature's fundamental authorities under the state constitution.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2011 06:44 am
@georgeob1,
So.. they recognized that the legislature can pass laws that apply to the legislature and in that law the legislature can specifically allow courts to rule on the legislature's actions.
revelette
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2011 06:58 am
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2011 09:41 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

So.. they recognized that the legislature can pass laws that apply to the legislature and in that law the legislature can specifically allow courts to rule on the legislature's actions.


Please reread this incoherent sentence and decide if it has any meaning at all.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2011 02:52 pm
@georgeob1,
Obviously, the court decided that it doesn't have meaning.
The legislature can pass laws and then ignore the laws simply because they are the legislature. It puts the legislature above the law.
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