Wrestlin' in Wisconsin

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You're mighty brave when talking about sacrificing for others, but you can't name a single thing you do or could do that would be a sacrifice right now. Do you think that's an honorable or compelling position to take

Considering all that I have already been asked to give and all that I have already given and knowing full well that we will be asked to give up even more of the military pension.....yes.

I wouldn't presume to ask or even recommend anything for you to do in this regard. I am only noting your rather remarakble pretensions of public virtue and inquiring as to the basis for it. Do you intend to pay the extra 15% in taxes even if they are not required?

Do you vote for and advocate increases in taxes that will affect you personally or only those that will affect the greedy 2% you complain about so vociferously?

Advocating higher taxes for others is one thing, but paying them yourself is another.

I, and many others, believe that in our advocacy for more economy and less overreach in our government, we are being just as public spirited as you claim you are in advocating higher taxes. Do you acknowledge that possibility?

We did not sign up citizens to serve in an Army expecting to put them in war for ten years, these multiple long deployments in a hot war zone were not part of the expected deal.

We have already given above and beyond the call of duty, your expecting still more give back and right now only goes to show that you are an unappreciative asshole. You are unpersuasive.

Americans oppose weakening the bargaining rights of public employee unions by a margin of nearly two to one: 60 percent to 33 percent. While a slim majority of Republicans favored taking away some bargaining rights, they were outnumbered by large majorities of Democrats and independents who said they opposed weakening them.

Those surveyed said they opposed, 56 percent to 37 percent, cutting the pay or benefits of public employees to reduce deficits, breaking down along similar party lines. A majority of respondents who have no union members living in their households opposed both cuts in pay or benefits and taking away the collective bargaining rights of public employees.

Asked how they would choose to reduce their state’s deficits, those polled preferred tax increases over benefit cuts for state workers by nearly two to one.

The second is that they [Boeing] devoted to a manufacturing material [for the Dreamliner] that was not ready for production.

Why is it you accept the results of polls from liberal groups and news organizations without apparent question or comment, but so strenuously object to others that yield results with which you disagree?

In any event, notwithstanding the well organized union protests, there does indeed appear to be a wave of action at state levels to restrict the actions of public service unions, and it appears very likely that substantial success will be achieved in most cases.

You are of course free to declare this a victory for your prejudices. However when the furor subsides the power of public sector labor unions will have been significantly reduced.

Is James Morrison really as ignorant of the facts as you claim?

Are you really the all-knowing scholar of these topics you so loudly claim to be?

My experience has taught me to suspect most those who boast the most loudly and frequently. Real wisdom and understanding usually doesn't involve such repeated chest thumping.

I've put in hundreds, probably thousands, of hours of study on this topic in the last two years. So yes, I feel confident in my ability to discuss the situation, and I know the order of events and how the different segments of our financial system, society at large, and government worked together to cause the crisis. I am willing to go into depth on this subject at any time, and what more, every time I attempt to engage a right-winger on this subject, they retreat - after it becomes obvious that they haven't done the research and are ignorant about basic facts of both the law and the way that our system worked.

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I've put in hundreds, probably thousands, of hours of study on this topic in the last two years. So yes, I feel confident in my ability to discuss the situation, and I know the order of events and how the different segments of our financial system, society at large, and government worked together to cause the crisis. I am willing to go into depth on this subject at any time, and what more, every time I attempt to engage a right-winger on this subject, they retreat - after it becomes obvious that they haven't done the research and are ignorant about basic facts of both the law and the way that our system worked.

"Thousands" ! Gosh ! Are you gainfully employed?

Have you considered the possibility that you are seen as merely a self-promoting blowhard who just isn't worth all the trouble?

Yes, I am. I do this for fun. I spend 2-4 hours every evening studying politics and economic issues and more on the weekends.

Yeah, I have considered that. But I've also considered that people may say this sort of thing to cover occasionally up their own ignorance.

As I said before - there's one way to find out for sure. If you think you have what it takes, and you are sure your position is right. I suspect that you are not in fact so sure at the end of the day, but don't want that to be revealed.

Asked how they would choose to reduce their state’s deficits, those polled preferred tax increases over benefit cuts for state workers by nearly two to one.

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Asked how they would choose to reduce their state’s deficits, those polled preferred tax increases over benefit cuts for state workers by nearly two to one.

I haven't seen tax increases mentioned as the solution as much as I've seen hints of layoffs and cutbacks. At least, that's the plan in some of the states facing budget shortfalls...Illinois, New York and Rhode Island, etc. Also, while they might want to preserve the generous pensions of public sector employees, most will see some renegotiation in their future, as well, don't you agree?

Majority in Poll Back Employees in Public Sector Unions

As labor battles erupt in state capitals around the nation, a majority of Americans say they oppose efforts to weaken the collective bargaining rights of public employee unions and are also against cutting the pay or benefits of public workers to reduce state budget deficits, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.