Wrestlin' in Wisconsin

@cicerone imposter,

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That's an awful high price to pay for the growth of a small percentage of their population.

Have you not looked at the news in the last couple of years?? China is spending many multiples what we are on developing clean energy and clean transport. They are also the green energy innovation leaders and have almost all of the rare earth production for a material that is critical solar cells and next generation batteries. AND there was an interesting story a couple months back about a what was a brand new factory when Obama toured and gave a little speech when he was promoting his green energy "stimulus" spending... yapping about how America was going to lead the way in this industry, it was going to drive American jobs creation and America moral superiority by way of saving the planet. (it was a wind turbine factory as I recall). The owners have decided that having production in America was a dumb idea even with the tax breaks...they have moved it to China. They'll put the blades and the towers on a boat to get them to America if America wants to buy some, if not the Chinese will.

Edit: that Rinnai tankless water heater that I just put in is made in Japan. I am told that some American companies are now slapping their brand tag on tankless systems but that not a single unit is made in America. This is very Interesting I think....

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@hawkeye10,

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China is spending many multiples what we are on developing clean energy and clean transport

Sorry the bulk of the power in China is coming from coal even more then in the US.

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Let's stay on topic.

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In a PPP poll released Monday, a majority of registered Wisconsin voters say that in a hypothetical re-do of last year's gubernatorial election, they would vote for Democrat Tom Barrett, whom Walker defeated in November. That finding comes as Walker continues to stand firm on his budget proposals that would strip most state public employees of long-held collective bargaining rights.

Fifty-two percent of respondents said they would vote for Barrett if the election were held today, while 45% said they would vote for Walker. That's almost exactly the opposite of what happened in the election, when Walker won the governorship with 52% of the vote to Barrett's 47%.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/BarrettWalkerRematchResults.pdf

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Fifty-two percent of respondents said they would vote for Barrett if the election were held today, while 45% said they would vote for Walker. That's almost exactly the opposite of what happened in the election, when Walker won the governorship with 52% of the vote to Barrett's 47%.

So?? At the earliest a vote would be taken in 15 months or so....it might as well be 5 years from now considering how volatile American politics are right now. I serious doubt that Walker cares. Get back in Jan 2012, when it matters.

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@hawkeye10,

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Entrance to a small coal mine in China.
A coal shipment underway in China.
An operating power plant in China.The People's Republic of China is the largest consumer of coal in the world,[1] and is about to become the largest user of coal-derived electricity, generating 1.95 trillion kilowatt-hours per year, or 68.7% of its electricity from coal as of 2006 (compared to 1.99 trillion kilowatt-hours per year, or 49% for the US).[2][3] Hydroelectric power supplied another 20.7% of China's electricity needs in 2006.

With approximately 13 percent of the world's proven reserves, there is debate as to how many years these reserves will last at current levels of consumption.[4]

China's coal mining industry is the largest and also deadliest in the world in terms of human safety[5] where thousands of people die every year in the coal pits, compared to 30 per year for coal power in the United States.[6] Coal production rose 8.1% in 2006 over the previous year, reaching 2.38 billion tons, and the nation's largest coal enterprises saw their profits exceed 67 billion yuan, or $8.75 billion.[7]

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@hawkeye10,

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So?? At the earliest a vote would be taken in 15 months or so....it might as well be 5 years from now considering how volatile as American politics are right now. I serious doubt that Walker cares. Get back in Jan 2012, when it matters.

He will care if he lose control of Wisconsin Senate.

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@hawkeye10,

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RAWR FACTS BAD MY NEGATIVITY BA.. I MEAN, GOOD!!!

You're a one-note poster, Hawkeye. Doom and gloom, no actual solutions, ready to harm others but not themselves, and someone who refuses to believe that they don't represent the rest of society.

You dropped the conversation where it was revealed that you aren't willing to sacrifice personally. Forget about before, or what you say will happen later - how are YOU willing to sacrifice personally, right now, in the way that you say others should?

Cycloptichorn

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@BillRM,

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He will care if he lose control of Wisconsin Senate.

I am hearing just as much if not more chatter about recalling the Dems who ran away to my home city of Rockford IL and thus tried to gum up the process of democracy as am about efforts to recall GOP members.....dont hold your breath on getting what you want here..

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@Cycloptichorn,

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You're a one-note poster, Hawkeye. Doom and gloom, no actual solutions, ready to harm others but not themselves, and someone who refuses to believe that they don't represent the rest of society

A sure sign that you are out of argument....too bad you are not classy enough to shut up and walk away...you just have to throw the turd..

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@hawkeye10,

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You dropped the conversation where it was revealed that you aren't willing to sacrifice personally. Forget about before, or what you say will happen later - how are YOU willing to sacrifice personally, right now, in the way that you say others should?

Are you capable of answering this? Or are you just going to prove my point by refusing to do so?

Those who look at our financial situation and call for 'shared sacrifice' should be willing to explain what they are willing to sacrifice. I'm willing to pay higher taxes. What are YOU willing to do?

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

He is ready to bitch about government but unwilling to do anything about it.

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@RABEL222,

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He is ready to bitch about government but unwilling to do anything about it.

I have already sacrificed a lot for my country, as I have mentioned. And am doing my part to be an agent of change. I sleep very well at night tyvm.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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He is ready to bitch about government but unwilling to do anything about it.
I have already sacrificed a lot for my country, as I have mentioned. And am doing my part to be an agent of change. I sleep very well at night tyvm.

Short answer: you're not willing to sacrifice ANYTHING for your country at this time. You feel that you've already 'given enough' and that it's wrong to ask you to give more.

I label you hypocrite, Hawkeye. You call for others to sacrifice but are unwilling to do so yourself. In this you typify the Republican party's morals and ideals completely (don't bother pointing out you're not a member of the GOP, because I really don't give a **** about that). You complain endlessly but have no solutions other than to **** over everyone but yourself.

I find it to be rather pathetic.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Short answer: you're not willing to sacrifice ANYTHING for your country at this time. You feel that you've already 'given enough' and that it's wrong to ask you to give more.

I label you hypocrite, Hawkeye

Thankfully most of the opinion makers in America have come to the conclusion that we have been very unfair to military families when we decided to fight war but not to ask for sacrifice from the broader society. These are people who generally have some sense of what life has been like for the military and their families as we have sent our soldiers off to war over and over again. I dont figure that you have a clue, and whats is more you dont want to have a clue, as knowing what goes on with those who have been called to duty and those who love them would get in the way of your politics.

And yet, with as much as vets have given, with as poorly as the VA care has often been and especially with as poorly as our nation has done to look after and help the many tens of thousands of vets who have come back with severe PTSD vets know that they will be called upon to give yet again, as they take another haircut in their pensions and probably medical care also as the nation tries to live with-in our means again.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Don't you think you might be elevating yourself to a perhaps undeserved high moral plane? How much more in taxes are you really likely to pay? Is this a committment to actually do something beyond what the law requires, or are you merely posturing in a situation in which it is unlikely you will, in fact, have to do anything extra ?

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@georgeob1,

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Don't you think you might be elevating yourself to a perhaps undeserved high moral plane? How much more in taxes are you really likely to pay?

I'm willing to pay 10-15% higher taxes than I currently do. My baseline and minimum recommendation would be to return to Clinton rates of taxation. I would pay higher Cap Gains taxes as well.

I say this, because government and the continuance of it brings me giant rewards in life. I have a huge stake in ensuring that our society continues to function. Simultaneously, I don't wish to see gov't services cut to the bone, because the social and fiscal effects of removing all safety nets and services are extremely negative and really embarrassing for a supposed world-leader.

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Is this a committment to actually do something beyond what the law requires, or are you merely posturing in a situation in which it is unlikely you will, in fact, have to do anything extra ?

I already make a donation to retire the debt every single year. Additionally, I take FAR more out of my paycheck in taxes than I should; it gives the gov't an interest-free loan on my income for the whole year. Additionally, I continually vote for and advocate for tax increases and politicians who will increase taxes. What more would you have me do? Laughing

Your turn. What have YOU done to share the sacrifice? What do YOU advocate doing in these tough times, that directly hurts you, to do your part to deal with the fiscal mess?

Cycloptichorn

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@hawkeye10,

None of this addresses the fact that fiscal times are tough and, according to you, EVERYONE needs to 'share in the sacrifice.'

You're mighty brave when talking about sacrificing for others, but you can't name a single thing you do or could do that would be a sacrifice right now. Do you think that's an honorable or compelling position to take?

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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You're mighty brave when talking about sacrificing for others, but you can't name a single thing you do or could do that would be a sacrifice right now. Do you think that's an honorable or compelling position to take

Considering all that I have already been asked to give and all that I have already given and knowing full well that we will be asked to give up even more of the military pension.....yes.

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@Cycloptichorn,

I wouldn't presume to ask or even recommend anything for you to do in this regard. I am only noting your rather remarakble pretensions of public virtue and inquiring as to the basis for it. Do you intend to pay the extra 15% in taxes even if they are not required?

Do you vote for and advocate increases in taxes that will affect you personally or only those that will affect the greedy 2% you complain about so vociferously?

Advocating higher taxes for others is one thing, but paying them yourself is another.

I, and many others, believe that in our advocacy for more economy and less overreach in our government, we are being just as public spirited as you claim you are in advocating higher taxes. Do you acknowledge that possibility?

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@hawkeye10,

You miss the essential point of why China is the leader is solar cell production; it's cheap labor. We will "never" be able to compete on labor price with China or India; it's up to us to develop technology that will keep us ahead of the economic curve. It means more production in the US with robotics and increased efficiency.

This is a very difficult task when our schools are failing our children. Education in math and science needs to improve dramatically in this country to remain competitive. That's what future economics is all about.

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