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Does light have Mass?

 
 
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 11:35 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:
So the question "does light have mass?" Than becomes "what does it become in its next structure transformation? "

Light does not have mass. What do you mean by "it's next structural transformation?"
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 01:06 pm
@Brandon9000,
Depends on what part of ray of light you are referring to. Photons? What about that heat, you feel on your face, from sunshine? What form does it take next? Is it in the luminous category?
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 01:13 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

Depends on what part of ray of light you are referring to. Photons? What about that heat, you feel on your face, from sunshine? What form does it take next? Is it in the luminous category?

If the photon is absorbed, it becomes ordinary heat, that is, vibratory motion of atoms. What do you mean by "the luminous category?"
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 01:23 pm
@Brandon9000,
Luminous would be the 5% of the Universe that we can observe. Dark would be the part we know is there. But we can't observe it because it is either too dense and the gravity absorbs reflective material, or it is not dense enough and the reflective material flows through it.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 01:28 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:
Luminous would be the 5% of the Universe that we can observe. Dark would be the part we know is there. But we can't observe it because it is either too dense and the gravity absorbs reflective material, or it is not dense enough and the reflective material flows through it.

If you have some evidence for this, you should publish in a peer reviewed journal. If you could demonstrate the plausibility of what you say, it would be a significant breakthrough.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 01:44 pm
@Brandon9000,
Is there evidence against it?
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 01:52 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:
Is there evidence against it?

Although I have two physics degrees, I don't believe that I'm qualified to say. I lack sufficient knowledge of the relevant areas of physics. One thing that I do know, however, is that no evidence against a hypothesis is not a legitimate basis to believe it if there no evidence for it.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 02:30 pm
@Brandon9000,
So it stands until it can be proven different?
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 04:45 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:
So it stands until it can be proven different?

The only things that stand are theories which have been verified by experiment. The only hypotheses that are reasonable are ones for which there is evidence.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 05:26 pm
@Brandon9000,
Well we know that the dark energy sector of the Universe is growing. So the volume can be measured. Find the source that it is feeding it, measure the rate it's volume decreases, and that will give us the numbers verify the formula.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 05:59 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
When you release an electron from an element, it expands to a greater volume. But it never disappears. So when would the energy it released expand enough to enter the dark categories?
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 06:45 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:
Well we know that the dark energy sector of the Universe is growing. So the volume can be measured. Find the source that it is feeding it, measure the rate it's volume decreases, and that will give us the numbers verify the formula.

Yes, formulas can be tested, but there has to be some reason to believe them in the first place. We cannot write down every conceivable formula and then spend money to test it. Did you have some particular formula in mind?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 06:45 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:
When you release an electron from an element, it expands to a greater volume. But it never disappears. So when would the energy it released expand enough to enter the dark categories?

In what manner does this electron release energy?
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 05:26 am
@Brandon9000,
In this process
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion
It says some of the matter is converted to Photons.
Does it stay a photon for ever? Or is that matter eventually converted to something else? What does physics tell us?
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 06:31 am
@Brandon9000,
When an electron no longer has opposite forces, like protons near it, does some kind of decay occur? Or does it hold its structure infinitely?
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 06:56 am
@Brandon9000,
We know how to measure units of energy from the formula
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence
So how many units of energy does a typical photon contain?
What is happening to these units after they are no longer photons?
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 10:20 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
How would one measure the energy of a part of a single atom?

Not disagreeing, I am just asking?
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 10:53 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
By using the formula above. If you have a number for M than you can find what each unit of E is.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 08:13 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:
When an electron no longer has opposite forces, like protons near it, does some kind of decay occur? Or does it hold its structure infinitely?

Electrons are stable.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 8 Dec, 2014 08:15 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

We know how to measure units of energy from the formula
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence
So how many units of energy does a typical photon contain?

The energy of a photon is hf where the h is Planck's constant and the f is the photon's frequency.

peter jeffrey cobb wrote:
What is happening to these units after they are no longer photons?

Please specify how the photon stops being a photon and I will tell you where its energy goes.
 

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