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Does light have Mass?

 
 
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 03:38 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
My profile, is blank, because no one here needs know anything about me.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 03:42 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
How are you in four continents?
How did you, participate in building over twelve, quarter Billion structures?

Seriously, are these statements, rational to you?
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 04:01 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Aah I see you have something to hide hehe is ok. When I see a person with a dirty shirt walking down the street, I barely see the shirt because I know that there's a human being with the ability to rationalize behind it.
So just because you lack the experience I have. Does not mean that you are inferior than me. This what I call the dirty shirt syndrome is fairly common but don't worry you can cure it with practice. And as far as the structures, I participated in the expansion of large companies like the one connected to the Walton family.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 04:15 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Here is some examples of structures I built.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-att-us&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=-eiZVJTdOMGQyATBlYGgAw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=360&bih=592&q=rack%20supported%20warehouse
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 04:21 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
The pictures make them look small but they are 8-12 stories tall
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DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 04:54 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
No I have nothing to hide, but why should I share personal information with people who I do not know? and who actually claim to be seriously ill?
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DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 04:59 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
In other words, you are or were a construction worker, that's fine. However saying that you built those structures, isn't quite entirely true, is it Pete? In fact you may have worked on these projects or others like these, but none of these projects are one man construction jobs, are they?

http://rackusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Fotos-Wal-MArt-Guadalajara-081-Small.jpg
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 05:32 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Now when you repeated the word "participate" that I said on my previous post and now saying that I did it by myself shows that you have malicious intentions towards me.
Do see me as inferior to you?
Or you inferior to me?
Like I told many posts ago when you first started typing (light could have a little mass) or about pills that disappears. That people imagined structures than ran the physics numbers to verify how to build the structure than send me the material and I would inform them of anything overlooked while I assembled their vision.
I did this for ten years. Weld, assembled .... basically everything that did not have to do with an office. Though I would visit one occasionally.
In ten years I seen many visions and I can spot flaws in structures easily by sight. In fact part of my duties was to inspect the structure after we assembled it as well as during the assembly. A lot of the structures I build were fully automated with cranes 120 feet tall running trough them.
I specialized in building the mega giants. To do that you have to be better than the rest.
So yes you are right i did not sit in front of a desk.
Ok now let's hear a little about you.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 06:04 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Well, I just made my dog a tennis balls and rope throw toy for Christmas, I still have a little more Christmas shopping to do for my Wife and children. My wife is making peanut brittle at the moment, as much for our dog as for me.

And don't forget to track Santa...

http://www.noradsanta.org/
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 06:07 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Does light have mass?

The short answer is "no", but it is a qualified "no" because there are odd ways of interpreting the question which could justify the answer "yes".

Light is composed of photons, so we could ask if the photon has mass. The answer is then definitely "no": the photon is a massless particle. According to theory it has energy and momentum but no mass, and this is confirmed by experiment to within strict limits. Even before it was known that light is composed of photons, it was known that light carries momentum and will exert pressure on a surface. This is not evidence that it has mass since momentum can exist without mass. (For details see the Physics FAQ article What is the mass of a photon?).

Sometimes people like to say that the photon does have mass because a photon has energy E = hf where h is Planck's constant and f is the frequency of the photon. Energy, they say, is equivalent to mass according to Einstein's famous formula E = mc2. They also say that a photon has momentum, and momentum p is related to mass m by p = mv. What they are talking about is "relativistic mass", an old concept that can cause confusion (see the FAQ article Does mass change with speed?). Relativistic mass is a measure of the energy E of a particle, which changes with velocity. By convention, relativistic mass is not usually called the mass of a particle in contemporary physics so, at least semantically, it is wrong to say the photon has mass in this way. But you can say that the photon has relativistic mass if you really want to. In modern terminology the mass of an object is its invariant mass, which is zero for a photon.

If we now return to the question "Does light have mass?", this can be taken to mean different things if the light is moving freely or trapped in a container. The definition of the invariant mass of an object is m = sqrt{E2/c4 - p2/c2}. By this definition a beam of light is massless like the photons it is composed of. However, if light is trapped in a box with perfect mirrors so the photons are continually reflected back and forth in both directions symmetrically in the box, then the total momentum is zero in the box's frame of reference but the energy is not. Therefore the light adds a small contribution to the mass of the box. This could be measured--in principle at least--either by the greater force required to accelerate the box, or by an increase in its gravitational pull. You might say that the light in the box has mass, but it would be more correct to say that the light contributes to the total mass of the box of light. You should not use this to justify the statement that light has mass in general.

Part of this discussion is only concerned with semantics. It might be thought that it would be better to regard the mass of the photons to be their (nonzero) relativistic mass, as opposed to their (zero) invariant mass. We could then consistently talk about the light having mass independently of whether or not it is contained. If relativistic mass is used for all objects, then mass is conserved and the mass of an object is the sum of the masses of its parts. However, modern usage defines mass as the invariant mass of an object mainly because the invariant mass is more useful when doing any kind of calculation. In this case mass is not conserved and the mass of an object is not the sum of the masses of its parts. Thus, the mass of a box of light is more than the mass of the box and the sum of the masses of the photons (the latter being zero). Relativistic mass is equivalent to energy, which is why relativistic mass is not a commonly used term nowadays. In the modern view "mass" is not equivalent to energy; mass is just that part of the energy of a body which is not kinetic energy. Mass is independent of velocity whereas energy is not.

Let's try to phrase this another way. What is the meaning of the equation E=mc2? You can interpret it to mean that energy is the same thing as mass except for a conversion factor equal to the square of the speed of light. Then wherever there is mass there is energy and wherever there is energy there is mass. In that case photons have mass, but we call it relativistic mass. Another way to use Einstein's equation would be to keep mass and energy as separate and use it as an equation which applies when mass is converted to energy or energy is converted to mass--usually in nuclear reactions. The mass is then independent of velocity and is closer to the old Newtonian concept. In that case, only the total of energy and mass would be conserved, but it seems better to try to keep the conservation of energy. The interpretation most widely used is a compromise in which mass is invariant and always has energy so that total energy is conserved but kinetic energy and radiation does not have mass. The distinction is purely a matter of semantic convention.

Sometimes people ask "If light has no mass how can it be deflected by the gravity of a star?". One answer is that all particles, including photons, move along geodesics in general relativity and the path they follow is independent of their mass. The deflection of starlight by the sun was first measured by Arthur Eddington in 1919. The result was consistent with the predictions of general relativity and inconsistent with the newtonian theory. Another answer is that the light has energy and momentum which couples to gravity. The energy-momentum 4-vector of a particle, rather than its mass, is the gravitational analogue of electric charge. (The corresponding analogue of electric current is the energy-momentum stress tensor which appears in the gravitational field equations of general relativity.) A massless particle can have energy E and momentum p because mass is related to these by the equation m2 = E2/c4 - p2/c2, which is zero for a photon because E = pc for massless radiation. The energy and momentum of light also generates curvature of spacetime, so general relativity predicts that light will attract objects gravitationally. This effect is far too weak to have yet been measured. The gravitational effect of photons does not have any cosmological effects either (except perhaps in the first instant after the Big Bang). And there seem to be far too few with too little energy to make any noticeable contribution to dark matter.
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 06:13 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Hehe. Now that is how I picture you. Probably in the late 40s with something that put you indoors. You held an uniform of some type that separated you from most of the people who you were in contact with.
Perhaps had a few jokes about blue collar people around others in the same profession.
Do I have the wrong impression?
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 06:18 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
You said
You held an uniform of some type that separated you from most of the people who you were in contact with.

Pete, that is gibberish, it can't be wrong, until it has meaning, and since gibberish has no meaning, it's nothing.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7005/6565123577_d952f8d0d0.jpg
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 08:35 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Well I was in the military also. That gives me some insight into how you seem to look at people based on appearance.
One of the tactics used to get a human to kill another human is paint the other as if everyone of that group is the same.
It works very well as you can see.
So I observe the attitude you have against other humans based on appearances and think that you been under a smaller level of a similar influence.
So I was asking if what I saw was correct to see if that was the cause.
Again reason behind me asking is not that you are doing anything right or wrong. I am interested on how points of views originate that's all.
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 09:19 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Pete, I do not wear a uniform, I never did. You are imagining things again. Do you have a vision of me in uniform?
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 11:32 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Ok. So you were not a doctor, professor or any such position.
You are simply against me because of the condition that I was diagnosed with perhaps? Ok here anything that says it has no mass is false.
Am I wrong for stating that?
I read blueprints not formulas that is granted. But if an engineer send a blueprint talking about a material made of nothing, I would ask him to explain after I was done laughing.
So I ask when I hear people talk about structures without mass, because it seems comical.
I get mixed answers by all the posts you see. So I try to understand how they came to see it in different manners.
I worked with my hands till the effects of the mild nerve agent pills, that we took in Saudi, got stronger like it did for tens of thousands of other soldiers that took it. I did not understand what was happening to me so I went to see a doctor. Like many of the soldiers that I know who were beside me in war. When we go in complaining about the same symptoms, we all get diagnosed with mental disorders. Since you can describe anyone having different levels of mental disorders easily. (How many people you know who do not even mildly fall under a disorder? ) . So my label came to be skitso. Well if having that label did not do enough damage for my hopes to ever run a crew again. They decided to add pills that took the motivation out of me and made me fat. Basically it would have taken a couple of decades out of my life if I did not find a different doctor to change them. Anyway ok now you know the skitso story. And my writing is awful because I used my mouth to communicate and my hands to work all my adult life.
Oh and skitso has no cure so once you get that label you can't shake it off.
So if you insist on using my diagnosis for your amusement, you will at least know how I got it and that you will have the rest of my life to make fun of it. So there is no rush.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 11:40 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Ooh and I am still waiting for someone to prove the existence of a structure with zero mass.
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 07:11 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140827-quantum-imaging-cats-undetected-photon-science/ Pete, the red colored light and or shadow areas, in this photo, have no mass, the background, that displays it does. Can you understand this?

http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/830/cache/quantum-cats-1_83007_990x742.jpg
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 07:18 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
The belief, that people are "against me" or coming to get me, is well documented Pete, and part of certain disorders, as are various types of visions. I am not against you in any way, but can you understand this, not will you, but can you?
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 08:32 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Pete, the red colored light and or shadow areas, in this photo, have no mass, the background, that displays it does. Can you understand this?

Nope, it doesn't.
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 08:55 am
@Quehoniaomath,
So the wall, or floor that the light is shining on, in your mind has no mass.

Okeedokee, ifm u um say um so, it must um, be um true.
 

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