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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
revelette
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 06:12 am
@spendius,
Spendus, you have your own particular axe to grind, and that's ok. You said that things are not as simple CI makes out, things are not simple as you make either.

I don't know why the world did not respond when China was going through their protest and was getting killed for it. Don't know anything about any Russia protest.

You asked what the difference was in Libya and the other surrounding countries and why they got a no fly zone and I explained why I think so. You don't accept it, fine with me.
revelette
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 06:32 am
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The United Nations no-fly zone over Libya so far extends only over the rebel-held east, especially Benghazi. It seems to stop at Ajdabiya, where fierce fighting is reported.

Mandy Clark of CBS reports from Benghazi:

The War for Libya’s West: More Qaddafi Massacres

Posted on 03/22/2011 by Juan

The United Nations no-fly zone over Libya so far extends only over the rebel-held east, especially Benghazi. It seems to stop at Ajdabiya, where fierce fighting is reported.

Mandy Clark of CBS reports from Benghazi:

Aljazeera.net says that their correspondent in Ajdabiya, Abd al-Azim Muhammad, reports that the western quarters of the city took tank and rocket fire from pro-Qaddafi forces on Monday, with many homes destroyed.

Aljazeera English reports on Qaddafi’s forces in Ajdabiya, who are “in a strong position,” and on the UN allies’ destruction of the armored brigades that had been heading to commit a massacre in Benghazi.

The War for Libya’s West: More Qaddafi Massacres

Posted on 03/22/2011 by Juan

The United Nations no-fly zone over Libya so far extends only over the rebel-held east, especially Benghazi. It seems to stop at Ajdabiya, where fierce fighting is reported.

Mandy Clark of CBS reports from Benghazi:

Aljazeera.net says that their correspondent in Ajdabiya, Abd al-Azim Muhammad, reports that the western quarters of the city took tank and rocket fire from pro-Qaddafi forces on Monday, with many homes destroyed.

Aljazeera English reports on Qaddafi’s forces in Ajdabiya, who are “in a strong position,” and on the UN allies’ destruction of the armored brigades that had been heading to commit a massacre in Benghazi.

I take it that the no-fly zone cannot yet be extended to the West because there are still too many anti-aircraft batteries in and around Tripoli, and the planes of the UN allies would risk being downed. That is why the allies continued their bombardment of Tripoli and of other Qaddafi strongholds such as Sabha in the south. Sabha, a town of about 130,000, is a center of the Qadadfah tribe to which Qaddafi belongs.

Under cover of its anti-aircraft installations, the pro-Qaddafi military is waging a fierce battle to take as much of western Libya (traditional Tripolitania) as possible. On Monday, armored brigades launched fierce attacks on Zintan and Misrata.


The War for Libya’s West: More Qaddafi Massacres

Posted on 03/22/2011 by Juan

The United Nations no-fly zone over Libya so far extends only over the rebel-held east, especially Benghazi. It seems to stop at Ajdabiya, where fierce fighting is reported.

Mandy Clark of CBS reports from Benghazi:

Aljazeera.net says that their correspondent in Ajdabiya, Abd al-Azim Muhammad, reports that the western quarters of the city took tank and rocket fire from pro-Qaddafi forces on Monday, with many homes destroyed.

Aljazeera English reports on Qaddafi’s forces in Ajdabiya, who are “in a strong position,” and on the UN allies’ destruction of the armored brigades that had been heading to commit a massacre in Benghazi.

I take it that the no-fly zone cannot yet be extended to the West because there are still too many anti-aircraft batteries in and around Tripoli, and the planes of the UN allies would risk being downed. That is why the allies continued their bombardment of Tripoli and of other Qaddafi strongholds such as Sabha in the south. Sabha, a town of about 130,000, is a center of the Qadadfah tribe to which Qaddafi belongs.

Under cover of its anti-aircraft installations, the pro-Qaddafi military is waging a fierce battle to take as much of western Libya (traditional Tripolitania) as possible. On Monday, armored brigades launched fierce attacks on Zintan and Misrata.
Libya 3/21/11

Libya 3/21/11

Eyewitnesses told Reuters that 40 pro-Qaddafi tanks had gathered at the foothills near Zintan, and were subjecting the city to bombardment. Civilian homes and a mosque minaret were destroyed. Aljazeera.net reports that Zintan is surrounded on three sides an fierce battles are ongoing between its people and the pro-Qaddafi tank corps. Late Monday, the tanks were firing on dwellings to the south of the city, destroying some of them. The tanks are positioned to prevent ambulances from making a run with the wounded to Tunisia. Many civilians are fleeing the city, some now living in nearby caves, according to Reuters Arabic.

Aljazeera.net says that at the same time, rebel sources in Libya have alleged that Qaddafi’s forces heavily bombarded Misrata, which lies west of Tripoli and is Libya’s third-largest city. Jamal Salim of the Libyan Youth of Revolution told Aljazeera that Qaddafi’s brigades opened fire with live ammunition on protesters, killing or wounding “dozens.” Misrata residents told Reuters that “the residents of Misrata went into the streets and into the center of the city unarmed, in an attempt to prevent Qaddafi’s forces from entering the city, when those forces opend fire on them with rifles and artillery.” He added, “They committed a massacre and at least 9 people were killed.

Rebel sources also said that Qaddafi’s forces were rounding up civilians from villages near Misrata and herding them with the military convoys as human shields.


source

For those of us who might not have spent a week in Libya and have to rely on news sources. There are links at the source above.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 06:38 am
It has been suggested on the news here that the Saudis and others are not happy that the USA abandoned a friend and major ally in the region, ie Mubarak . For 30 years he did what the USA wanted . I think they are worried about finding an ally they can trust as they also have tried to help the USA . What will the USA do if they start to go under ?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 08:34 am
@Ionus,
What could they do? Nukes are out. Living by the assertion is a very dangerous strategy.

It takes boots on the ground. Shells are pinpricks. And very expensive ones. I wonder if the Russians might attempt to replace the destroyed tanks and test the naval blockade.

Who supplied Gadaffi's tanks? And the rest of his kit. Who took his shilling?

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 09:11 am
@spendius,
I'm in London this week on business and had a meeting yesterday in a very impressive office building in the City which owned by none other than a certain Libyan colonel.

The folks I met with only recently moved to their new offices but apparently their rent is being paid to an escrow account as their landlord's account has been frozen.

I didn't realize that Gadaffi was independently wealthy before he became Ruler for Life. Hopefully he has made similarly wise investments that will support him in his retirement.

One of my colleagues suggested that the building was purchased with funds misappropriated from the Libyan treasury, but I objected that surely that could not be the case as no British businessman would do business with a thief, and the UK government would have stepped in put a right quick halt to it.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 10:07 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
One of my colleagues suggested that the building was purchased with funds misappropriated from the Libyan treasury, but I objected that surely that could not be the case as no British businessman would do business with a thief, and the UK government would have stepped in put a right quick halt to it.


You're as dumb as Gob1, Finn dHypocrisy. Of course the Brits are dirty as hell dealing with all manner of evil scum but they are still pikers when you compare them to, the country that you forgot to include, the US of A.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 02:04 pm
@JTT,

The U.S. is the great satan. Now where have I heard this statement before?
talk72000
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 02:08 pm
@revelette,
Why didn't the USA respond when Mexicans were killing unarmed protestors and Pinochet was doing the same? why isn't the USA protecting the protestors in Yemen?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 02:24 pm
@talk72000,
And Bahrain.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 03:27 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
The U.S. is the great satan. Now where have I heard this statement before?


Get this straight you dumb ****! The US is NOT the great satan.

The US is guilty of myriad war crimes/crimes against humanity/mass murder, avid support for rape and torture and the rapacious theft of other poor countries wealth.

Everyone of your presidents since WWII has been a war criminal.

If, after all the information that has been put in front of what passes for your brain and you still can't get the facts right, perhaps you should try a children's forum.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 03:37 pm
@JTT,
Do you have a favorite youtube video that helps to support your claims? If so please share it or them with us! Thanks
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 04:23 pm
Have you seen Gadaffi? He's game--I'll give him that.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 04:23 pm
@reasoning logic,
Here's a start, RL.

http://able2know.org/topic/165092-1

http://able2know.org/topic/164913-1

http://able2know.org/topic/164586-1

http://able2know.org/topic/159135-1

http://able2know.org/topic/14261-1#post-4548499

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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 05:24 pm
@JTT,
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Of course the Brits are dirty as hell dealing with all manner of evil scum
There is another country that commits war crimes ??? NO !!! I dont believe it ! You wouldnt have lied all this time out of obsessive compulsive disorder would you ? As spendi asked, who supplied the tanks and weapons Qaddafi is using ? No criticism for anyone but the USA, and apparently, a little reserved for Britain .

Oh and dont talk about intelligence levels of others..thats a Pandoras Box for you...
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 05:33 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
The US is NOT the great satan.
Shocked Al Quada is not going to like you any more.....tear up your burqa.....your fired !

Quote:
support for rape and torture and the rapacious theft
Yep . I was right . It is sexual for you, isnt it ? I bet you have photos at home of mutilated corpes you like to masterbate over.......

Where would you be if wars stopped today ? Where would you be tomorrow ? You need war . Look at your attitude to others ....

Quote:
dumb ****
what passes for your brain
evil scum
Thats just the last two posts...quite the Ghandi arent you ? You need war...it is exhilarating for you .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 05:35 pm
@talk72000,
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why isn't the USA protecting the protestors in Yemen?
Do you wear your countries uniform ? Pretty quick to start wars arent we ? Perhaps they are scared of giving JoinTalibanTerrorism more reason to live....
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 05:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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And Bahrain.
Feel free to buy a aircraft ticket and put your mouth where the action is....
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 05:36 pm
@JTT,
Thank you JTT I am sad to say that I am a poor reader but I can if I have to!

I will wait and be grateful for any videos that you are in favor of that support your ideas of this mater. I guess you can call me a lazy reader!
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 05:37 pm
@JTT,
NOTHING about Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ho, Tojo, Ghengis Khan, Caesar.....I thought you would fit those into your USA conspiracy posts rather easily ......
Irishk
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 05:44 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Have you seen Gadaffi? He's game--I'll give him that.

The CIA thinks he's crazy...and possibly getting worse.

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