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Tunesia, Egyt and now Yemen: a domino effect in the Middle East?

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 05:53 pm
@Irishk,
One needn't be a central intelligent agent's tea lady to know that Gadaffi is nuts.

Any body who didn't know that 20 years ago is a bit slow on the uptake.

What do you think Ghengis Khan was like? Or Saladdin?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 06:01 pm
@spendius,
I like that bit about him going underground. He telegraphed where he was and whoever grassed him up where he was on the night of the strike knew where he was during the impressive rant. He showed his chest to the missiles.

That's something the button pushers don't ever do.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 06:50 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
Do you wear your countries [sic] uniform ?


No, he had some brains and therefore options.

Do you walk around the house in your country's uniform reliving your glory days when you jumped at the chance to blow any officer who showed you a bit of attention.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 06:52 pm
@Ionus,
Feel free to post on those fellows, Ianus. After all, you are a "writer".
Irishk
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 06:53 pm
@spendius,
Hmmm...I was guessing you'd have a comment on Gadaffi's 40 female body guards. I admit it. I was wrong.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 07:58 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
No, he had some brains and therefore options.
Aha ! So you were in the military...what were you dishonourably discharged for ? War Crimes ?

Quote:
Do you walk around the house in your country's uniform
I dont go to ANZAC days, I dont go to the RSL, I have burnt every bridge connecting me to the military except for the people who served .

Quote:
reliving your glory days
??? I had glory days ??? Really ?? It just seemed like a lot of hard dirty work.....

Quote:
you jumped at the chance to blow any officer
It is all very sexual for you isnt it....the uniform, the authority...if only you had that same authority when your loud mouth is flapping about war crimes, but you are just a pathetic little bitch who was rejected by a desperate drunken sailor . It must really suck to be you....
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 08:00 pm
@JTT,
Tell us about USA war crimes again and how the USA is the Great Satan .....better still show your perverse dysfunctional sexual nature by accusing others of all sorts of power trips that you would love to get off on .
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 08:31 pm
@Ionus,
Hey Ianus, do you understand how the pronouns 'he' and 'you' work?
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2011 05:44 am
@JTT,
I understand your brain doesnt work . Ever thought of getting professional help or is it only everyone who knows you who suggests that...oh and total strangers too .
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2011 07:29 am
@Irishk,



Didn't it used to be 30?

Wherever Libya's leader goes, his band of female bodyguards goes with him.
Quote:

DAKAR, Senegal — Whether he is under siege or on the offensive, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi is always surrounded by his female bodyguards, also known as his Amazonian guard. Or, sometimes, his revolutionary nuns.

Since the early 1970s, an eye-popping cadre of 30 women have shadowed and at times taken bullets for the man who is today, at 68, the Arab world's most senior dictator.

The women pledge oaths of loyalty to Gaddafi, including a vow of virginity, according to reports. The female bodyguards are not just for show. In 1998, one died and two were injured when Gaddafi was attacked.

It’s a dangerous job and yet for most of the four decades that they have stood by Gaddafi, they have seemed as much his statement on style and gender politics as his security detail.

Decked in 1990s-style camouflage, nail polish, thick mascara, and Nancy Sinatra warboots, the nuns flank this flamboyant world leader who packs Bedouin tents and home-tailored boubous whenever he travels abroad.

"Having female bodyguards is just one of his things," said Mohammed el Katiri, Libya analyst for the global risk think tank Eurasia Group. "It's difficult to give a rational explanation for it, apart from that he always likes to be seen as different."
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2011 07:44 am
Its the Popular Sovereignty, Stupid

Quote:
the logic of the Arab spring is about popular sovereignty. The people power being displayed in the streets, on twitter and Facebook, is intended to sweep away impediments to the expression of the will of the people, mainly presidents for life. The Arab crowds are investing their hopes in a new era of parliamentarism, in elections and constitutions, in term limits and referendums, in the rule of law and the principle that governmental authority must derive from the people. It is not that they are John Stuart Mill liberals. The crowds have a communitarian aspect, and demands jobs and for free formation of labor unions and the right to bargain collectively form a key part of the protest movements. But such labor organizing is also seen by movement participants and part of the expression of the popular will.

That the movements have been so powerfully informed by this Rousseauan impulse helps explain their key demands and why they keep spreading. The progression is that they begin with a demand that the strong man step down. If they get that, they want a dissolution of old corrupt ruling parties and elites. They want parliamentary elections. They want term limits for the president and reduction of presidential powers. They want new constitutions, newly hammered out, and subject to national referendums. They want an end to corruption and croneyism. They aim for future governments to be rooted in the national will.


The above is a better explanation of why I support the protest going on right now in the ME countries and what the difference is in what I thought Iraq was about. In Iraq, we imposed our will on them, in these protest, the people of these countries are rising up themselves.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2011 09:42 am
@JTT,
Reading your posts i thought I was already on a childerns foram. Your tantrams are boring. Like water man you seem to think that repeating lies again and again will make them true.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2011 10:16 am
@revelette,
Quote:
The progression is that they begin with a demand that the strong man step down. If they get that, they want a dissolution of old corrupt ruling parties and elites. They want parliamentary elections. They want term limits for the president and reduction of presidential powers. They want new constitutions, newly hammered out, and subject to national referendums. They want an end to corruption and croneyism. They aim for future governments to be rooted in the national will.


So why did the people of Iraq not welcome our troops as a liberation army and strew its path into Baghdad with flowers? There was no other way to get their strongman to step down. I thought they would do.

The rebels in Libya have effectively hired our airforces at our expense on the basis that we believed everything they said and didn't believe anything Gadaffi's lot said.
revelette
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2011 12:18 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
So why did the people of Iraq not welcome our troops as a liberation army and strew its path into Baghdad with flowers? There was no other way to get their strongman to step down. I thought they would do.


Because (IMO) the Iraqi invasion didn't start with the Iraqi people, it was forced on them and then once we got in there and got rid of Saddam Hussein, we forced our own ways on them in the beginning with the interim government.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2011 12:56 pm
@revelette,
That's how I remember it too! Bush's story changed from getting rid of Saddam's WMDs to bringing democracy to Iraq.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2011 01:13 pm
@revelette,
You miss my point revelette. If there is a demand for the strong man to step down, which is from your quote, and which is generally recognised anyway, then it would have existed in Iraq even if not articulated. And the intervention by the coalition would have articulated it.

That the demand has been articulated now must mean that Gadaffi was more liberal than Saddam was.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2011 01:13 pm
@RABEL222,
You've never addressed what you term as "lies", Rabel. Most of these "lies" that you're so damn scared to discuss come from US government documents, from information gathered from the FOIA, and much of it comes from whistle blowers.

Regardless, you are just too damn scared to actually find out just how depraved your governments have been. Now depravity is one thing for one can find a lot of depravity among many governments. It's the ******* hypocrisy, the "we're the good ole USA, the savior of mankind, the shining light on the hilltop" all the drivel that is constantly fed into those empty gourds that sit on your shoulders.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2011 01:24 pm
@spendius,
Actually, he IS a legitimate target.
As leader of his country, and as head of the military, taking him out is a legitimate act, IF we were involved in an actual war.

Since we arent, killing him shouldnt be an option.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2011 01:31 pm
@mysteryman,
Quote:
Actually, he IS a legitimate target.
As leader of his country, and as head of the military, taking him out is a legitimate act, IF we were involved in an actual war.

Since we arent, killing him shouldnt be an option.


Another slightly less than frank admission that the US has committed war crimes by targeting the leaders of sovereign nations.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2011 01:59 pm
Germany is leaving the NATO operations in the Med...

http://www.acus.org/natosource/germany-withdraws-its-forces-mediterranean-nato-command
 

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