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The worlds first riddle!

 
 
thoh13
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 12:30 pm
markr wrote:


thoh13:
esmtr
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looks like it should be "minstiner ovary"


haha...no....its more elegant than that
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etc
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 12:38 pm
Hi Try, just watching. Cool
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 01:02 pm
Stormy: MEREPEAT= repeat after me Cool Laughing



Monkey with a coconut was sitting in a tree.
Monkey with a coconut was making fun of me.
I told him that I'd like to have a coconut too.
He said if you want it this is what you've gotta do.

He said clap clap clap.
He said clap clap clap.

Monkey with a coconut was sitting way up high,
And the silly monkey had a twinkle in his eye.
I said I want a coconut, I'm hungry don't you see?
He said if you want it, then you've got to follow me.

He said stomp stomp stomp.
He said stomp stomp stomp.

Monkey with a coconut was sitting on a limb.
Monkey with a coconut had made me mad at him.
I said don't try to stop me, I'll leave no matter what.
He said wait a minute if you want a coconut.

He said jump jump jump.
He said jump jump jump.

Monkey with a coconut was sitting in a tree.
Monkey with a coconut had got the best of me.
I told him that I'm leaving and I've made up my mind,
He said 'fore you leave me won't you try it one more time.



Ok, so nobody figured out the monkey problem, this is not surprising seeing as how it's been 80 years in the making.

I therefore put forward a starter answer to see if it can be beaten. (Which I very much doubt)


Martin Gardner said that the Monkey and the Coconuts is "probably the most worked on and least often solved" algebraic puzzle.
According to the OMNI magazine (April 1991), this puzzle caused quite a commotion when it is said that some 2000 letters came to the Saturday Evening Post offices the week after the "Coconuts" appeared, all requesting the puzzle solution.

The smallest number of coconuts there could have been in the original pile is (drum roll)…..













3121. Razz


How so I hear you ask…

Code:

Time Starting Pile = Monkey + Share + New Pile
---- ------------- ------ ----- --------
1 3121 = 1 + 624 + 2496
2 2496 = 1 + 499 + 1996
3 1996 = 1 + 399 + 1596
4 1596 = 1 + 319 + 1276
5 1276 = 1 + 255 + 1020
6 1020 = 0 + 204 + 816




The 3,121 coconuts would be divided as follows:
Monkey would get 5 coconuts
First man would get 828 coconuts
Second man would get 703 coconuts
Third man would get 603 coconuts
Fourth man would get 523 coconuts
Fifth man would get 459 coconuts

To try to see where this comes from, write down the equations that describe the problem.

We might want to use the letters A through G to represent the sizes of the pile of coconuts,

A the beginning size, B through F the sizes after each sailor takes a share.


To preserve the pattern, we will let G be the number of coconuts left in the final pile after the monkey and the last sailor have taken theirs.

In that case, the following relationships hold:

B = A - 1 - ( A - 1 ) / 5 = (4/5) * ( A - 1 )
C = B - 1 - ( B - 1 ) / 5 = (4/5) * ( B - 1 )
D = C - 1 - ( C - 1 ) / 5 = (4/5) * ( C - 1 )
E = D - 1 - ( D - 1 ) / 5 = (4/5) * ( D - 1 )
F = E - 1 - ( E - 1 ) / 5 = (4/5) * ( E - 1 )
G = F - 0 - ( F - 0 ) / 5 = (4/5) * ( F - 0 )

Using some algebra (and this is not pretty!), substitute back through the equations. You would obtain:

4096 * A - 15625 * G = 33616

Now, the smallest integer values that make this equation true are: A = 3,121 and G = 816.


The following computer program may well solve the problem:

Code:

set talk on
f=1
do while f <= 1000
g=(4*f)/5
if int(g)=g
* continue
e=(5*f+1)/4
if int(e)=e
* continue
d=(5*e+1)/4
if int(d)=d
* continue
c=(5*d+1)/4
if int(c)=c
* continue
b=(5*c+1)/4
if int(b)=b
* continue
a=5*b+1
if int(a)=a
display memory
wait
endif
endif
endif
endif
endif
endif
f=f+1
enddo






Or this; using following ABAP code:

data total type i value 0.
data formonkey type i.
data count type i value 0.
data newtotal type i.
data subtotal type i.

do 10000 times.
newtotal = total.
do 6 times.
count = count + 1.
formonkey = newtotal mod 5.

if formonkey = 1 AND count ne 6.
subtotal = ( newtotal - 1 ) / 5.
newtotal = newtotal - subtotal - 1.
elseif formonkey = 0 AND count = 6.
write: 'total is ', total.
else.
exit.
endif.
clear formonkey.
clear subtotal.
enddo.
clear count.
clear newtotal.
total = total + 1.
enddo.



Happy Mothers Day to all of you who are, erm…mothers!




TTH wrote, "I can't understand you."

Estne tibi forte magna feles fulva et planissima?


Hi Etc, good to see you are still about. Razz


The company that Mark works for just finished a new product. They wanted to promote it across the country. Mark was asked to travel by car to each of the 48 contiguous U.S. states to promote the product.

He was told that he could visit each state in whatever order he chose, but the company wanted him to start in Delaware, at their headquarters.
They asked that he visit each state only once. He could not go back into a state he had already visited - this was the "Don't Look Back" product tour.

So, Mark sat down at his desk and began to plan his trip.
He realized immediately that it was going to be one long car trip. At that moment, his boss stopped by and said, "Hey, I'm going to join you when you reach your last state. I was born there and I've been looking for a reason to go back and visit. You can leave your rental car there, and I'll fly you back in my private plane."

You can well imagine how excited Mark was at the thought of a flight in a Stearman PT-17 Kaydet Crop Duster. However;

Since Mark hadn't planned his trip yet, how did his boss know which state was going to be Mark's last state Question

And, which state would that be Question

Needless to say, Mark is banned from answering this question for obvious reasons. If the reasons are not that obvious to TTH, then the reason is because; he already knows the answer.


So as not to be left out, a little something for Mark and his ilk:

The number 2583 is one of only two positive integers equal to the sum of the cubes of the digits in its square, plus the digits in its cube.

What may I ask is the other Question




WILWINOWDS Question


Are there any of these still outstanding?
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etc
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 04:30 pm
Try, i like your poem.
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thoh13
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 04:59 pm
Tryagain wrote:
Since Mark hadn't planned his trip yet, how did his boss know which state was going to be Mark's last state Question

And, which state would that be Question


Maine because it only borders one other state
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thoh13
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 05:12 pm
i thought of the coconut riddle differently....
i thought in the beginning there is x coconuts. they are divided into 5 piles of n with one left over... 5n+1
the guy takes his share of n, and puts 4n+1 back in the pile...and so on and so on
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thoh13
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 07:03 pm
Tryagain wrote:
Are there any of these still outstanding?


these:

etselieks Question Twisted Evil

esmtr
e Question Twisted Evil

airet Question Twisted Evil

elnsngths Question Twisted Evil
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 07:44 pm
airet = teria backwards = bacteria

The others I don't know!

---
"Happy Mothers Day to all of you who are, erm…mothers!"

Thank you!
----

How about this?

1. P O

2. BA BA

3. ECLART

4. @ # $ %
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markr
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 08:09 pm
Try:
[size=8]Wind in the Wil(l)ows[/size]

CalamityJane:
[size=8]piano
clarinet
shift(ed) sequence
[/size]

unsolved:

poise
intravenous


infrared
y
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markr
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 08:26 pm
thoh13
[size=8]minestrone[/size]
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thoh13
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 08:31 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
airet = teria backwards = bacteria

The others I don't know!


yes (bac)teria Cool

Markr wrote:
infrared
y


irony... IR(on)y
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markr
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 08:36 pm
thoh13:
irony Cool
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thoh13
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 09:10 pm
markr wrote:
thoh13
minestrone


yes Cool

[m(in)estr](on)e
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 09:14 pm
markr wrote:
CalamityJane:
piano
clarinet
shift(ed) sequence


P (and) O = Piano Smile
CLAR(in)ET = Clarinet Smile

sequence is wrong
BA BA is still missing
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markr
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 11:42 pm
Tryagain wrote:
The number 2583 is one of only two positive integers equal to the sum of the cubes of the digits in its square, plus the digits in its cube.

What may I ask is the other Question

A tough question like that must have a beastly answer!
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TTH
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 06:16 am
Tryagain wrote:
Estne tibi forte magna feles fulva et planissima?

Why would my cat be flat? Confused

Tryagain wrote:
.............................................................................He was told that he could visit each state in whatever order he chose, but the company wanted him to start in Delaware, at their headquarters.
They asked that he visit each state only once. He could not go back into a state he had already visited - this was the "Don't Look Back" product tour.
Since Mark hadn't planned his trip yet, how did his boss know which state was going to be Mark's last state Question

He wouldn't unless both mark and the boss knew the answer ahead of time.

Tryagain wrote:
And, which state would that be Question

Only mark and his boss know apparently.
You didn't say that mark had to stay in the USA on this road trip so he can drive into Canada and/or Mexico to get in or out of any of the 48 states.

Tryagain wrote:
Needless to say, Mark is banned from answering this question for obvious reasons. If the reasons are not that obvious to TTH, then the reason is because; he already knows the answer.

Why is it that mark already knows the answer?
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Stormwatch
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 07:32 am
CalamityJane:

BA BA = tuba

@ # $ %= cymbals
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 07:35 am
Li'l wrote, "Try, i like your poem"


You are just too sweet. Was it these lines….


clear formonkey.
clear subtotal.
enddo.
clear count.
clear newtotal.
total = total + 1.
enddo.


So dramatic, powerful…






TTH indignantly wrote, "You didn't say that mark had to stay in the USA"


May I please refer you to this part of the question…


"Mark was asked to travel by car to each of the 48 contiguous U.S. states"
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TTH
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 08:12 am
Tryagain wrote:
TTH indignantly wrote, "You didn't say that mark had to stay in the USA"

May I please refer you to this part of the question…

"Mark was asked to travel by car to each of the 48 contiguous U.S. states"

Huh? I wasn't being indignant and I don't have a grievance and I still don't understand what you are saying about the cat Confused
Are you always so grumpy on a Monday morning?
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 08:50 am
TTH carved on my headstone, "Are you always so grumpy on a Monday morning?"



Monday Monday, so good to me,
Monday Monday, it was all I hoped it would be
Oh Monday morning, Monday morning couldn't guarantee
That Monday evening you would still be here with me.

Monday Monday, can't trust that day,
Monday Monday, sometimes it just turns out that way
Oh Monday morning, you gave me no warning of what was to be
Oh Monday Monday, how yould cou leave and not take me.

Every other day, every other day,
Every other day of the week is fine, yeah
But whenever Monday comes, but whenever Monday comes
You can find me cryin' all of the time

Monday Monday, so good to me,
Monday Monday, it was all I hoped it would be
Oh Monday morning, Monday morning couldn't guarantee
That Monday evening you would still be here with me.

Every other day, every other day,
Every other day of the week is fine, yeah
But whenever Monday comes, but whenever Monday comes
You can find me cryin' all of the time

Monday Monday, ...



What's Monday got to do with it?


I may be a 110 pound weakling, but I am taking Viagra eye drops…..to make me look hard.




BA BA = tuba



Fantastic!!!
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