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The worlds first riddle!

 
 
markr
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 09:41 pm
[size=7]BROTHERS
$150

TRAIN
528 feet

JOB
20 minutes

COINS
new = old * sqrt(2)
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raprap
 
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Reply Sat 27 Aug, 2005 05:27 am
Brothers
[size=7]n+(n+100)+(n+200)+(n+300)=1200
4n+600=1200
4n=600
n=150
the youngest btother gets $150[/size]


Tunnel/Train
[size=7]Ts=30mph=44ft/s
l to pass tunnel=l+9l=10l
t=2 min=120s
10l=44ft/s*120s
l=44ft/s*120s/10=44ft/s*12s=(440+88)ft=528ft
The train is 528 ft long[/size]


Alice and her sister
[size=7]1/T=1/1+1/(1/2)=3
T=1/3
Working together the job can be completed in 20 minutes[/size]


Coins to coin
[size=7]V0=t*pi*r0^2
V1=t*pi*r1^2
V1=2*V0
t*pi*r1^2=2*t*pi*r0^2
r1^2=2*r1^2
r1=sqrt(2)*r1
The larger coin has a diameter about 1.414 times the diameter f the us of the smaller ones.[/size]


Rap
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Reply Sat 27 Aug, 2005 02:15 pm
Wimery re-visited.

This might be an Eureka moment;

As we agree we have reached this point;

…A B C
1:T L S
3:L S T
6:S L T


Idea How about we ask the question, "In scenario I and 6 is the liar in the middle?"

Those who spoke the truth would answer ?'Yes' and the liar would have to say ?'No'

Problem solved. Cool



Mark:

BROTHERS
$150 Cool

TRAIN
528 feet Cool

JOB
20 minutes Cool

COINS
new = old * sqrt(2) Cool

Rap:

Brothers
n+(n+100)+(n+200)+(n+300)=1200
4n+600=1200
4n=600
n=150
the youngest btother gets $150 Cool

Tunnel/Train
Ts=30mph=44ft/s
l to pass tunnel=l+9l=10l
t=2 min=120s
10l=44ft/s*120s
l=44ft/s*120s/10=44ft/s*12s=(440+88)ft=528ft
The train is 528 ft long Cool

Alice and her sister
1/T=1/1+1/(1/2)=3
T=1/3
Working together the job can be completed in 20 minutes Cool

Coins to coin
V0=t*pi*r0^2
V1=t*pi*r1^2
V1=2*V0
t*pi*r1^2=2*t*pi*r0^2
r1^2=2*r1^2
r1=sqrt(2)*r1 Cool
The larger coin has a diameter about 1.414 times the diameter f the us of the smaller ones.





Two poles, 60 feet tall and 20 feet tall, stand on opposite sides of a field. The poles are 80 feet apart. Support cables are placed from the top of one pole to the bottom of the opposite pole.

How far above the ground is the intersection of the cables Question
What if the poles were 120 feet apart Question



A cake in the form of a cube falls into a vat of frosting and comes out frosted on all six faces. The cake is then cut into smaller cubes, each one inch on an edge. The cake is cut so that the number of pieces having frosting on three faces will be one-eighth the number of pieces having no frosting at all. There are to be exactly enough pieces of cake for everyone. How many people will receive a piece of cake with frosting on exactly three faces Question
On exactly two faces Question
On exactly one face Question
On no faces Question
How large was the original cake Question



There's an antique bike parade in town. Tom has a bike that his great grandfather had given him in which the radius of the front wheel is 8 times the radius of the rear wheel. When the bike travels 100 feet, the number of rotations made by the smaller wheel is 60 more than the number of rotations made by the larger wheel.

What is the diameter of each wheel to the nearest tenth of an inch Question
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markr
 
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Reply Sat 27 Aug, 2005 04:29 pm
Tryagain wrote:
As we agree we have reached this point;

…A B C
1:T L S
3:L S T
6:S L T


Idea How about we ask the question, "In scenario I and 6 is the liar in the middle?"

Those who spoke the truth would answer ?'Yes' and the liar would have to say ?'No'

Problem solved. Cool


The person you're calling S doesn't have to lie.
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markr
 
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Reply Sat 27 Aug, 2005 04:48 pm
[size=7]POLES
15, 15

CAKE
8, 48, 96, 64, 6x6x6

BIKE
5.6", 44.6"
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raprap
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 02:41 am
Cable Guy intersection
This does, of course, ignore the Earth's curvature
[size=7]80 feet apart
y=x/4 & y=-3/4x+60
so x=60 & y=15
Elevation at intersection is 15 ft
120 feet apart
y=x/6 & y=-x/2+60
so x=90 and x=15ft
Elevation at intersection is (still) 15 ft.[/size]


Cube Cake
[size=7]three iced sides are the corners--there are eitht (8) of them
uniced sides is 64 (8*8). This is a 4 units cubed (4^3=64)
so the original cube was 6 units cubed. Total number of pieces of cake was 216 cubelets.

Two sides iced is 4*number of edges--in a cube this is 12. Si 2 iced sides=4*12=48

One iced sides is 4*4*nubber of faces. A cube has 6 faced. So one side iced=4*4*6=96

3 iced sides=>8 cubelets
2 iced sides=>48 cubelets
1 iced side =>96 cubelets
0 iced sides=>64 cubelets
total=> 216 cubelets
initial cake cube. If a cubelet is 1" on a side the initial cube is 6' inches on a side plus twice the thickness of icing.[/size]


An Ordinary Bicycle
They are a bitch to ride and even more of a bitch to get on---I left some skin on the pavement learning this first hand. Mine has a 60" front wheel and a 16" rear and largely occupies a place of art on the cabin wall.

[size=7]let n0 be the front wheel rotations & n1 be the rear
r0=8r1
2*pi*r0*n0=2*pi*r1*n1
w substitution & simplification
8n0=n0+60
n0=60/7
100 feet=2*pi*r0*60/7 so r0=3'8.56"/2 and r1=5.57'/2
The front wheel is 3'8.66" (44.56") in diameter and the rear wheel is 5.57' in diameter.[/size]


Rap
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 06:29 am
Whimery:

"The person you're calling S doesn't have to lie."

Idea Exactly, the problem is to find the liar. We know by elimination the liar is not on the right, so any lie must be from ?'S'.


Mark:

POLES
15, 15 Cool

CAKE
8, 48, 96, 64, 6x6x6 Cool x Cool x Cool

BIKE
5.6", 44.6" * (See below)


Rap:

Cable Guy intersection
This does, of course, ignore the Earth's curvature Laughing
80 feet apart
y=x/4 & y=-3/4x+60
so x=60 & y=15
Elevation at intersection is 15 ft Cool
120 feet apart
y=x/6 & y=-x/2+60
so x=90 and x=15ft
Elevation at intersection is (still) 15 ft. Cool

Cube Cake
three iced sides are the corners--there are eitht (8) of them
uniced sides is 64 (8*8). This is a 4 units cubed (4^3=64)
so the original cube was 6 units cubed. Total number of pieces of cake was 216 cubelets.

Two sides iced is 4*number of edges--in a cube this is 12. Si 2 iced sides=4*12=48

One iced sides is 4*4*nubber of faces. A cube has 6 faced. So one side iced=4*4*6=96

3 iced sides=>8 cubelets Cool
2 iced sides=>48 cubelets Cool
1 iced side =>96 cubelets Cool
0 iced sides=>64 cubelets Cool
total=> 216 cubelets
initial cake cube. If a cubelet is 1" on a side the initial cube is 6' inches on a side plus twice the thickness of icing.

Rap you take the cake. Or should that be biscuit Razz

An Ordinary Bicycle
They are a bitch to ride and even more of a bitch to get on---I left some skin on the pavement learning this first hand. Mine has a 60" front wheel and a 16" rear and largely occupies a place of art on the cabin wall

(Wow, is that true? How old is it, how fast can you go?)


let n0 be the front wheel rotations & n1 be the rear
r0=8r1
2*pi*r0*n0=2*pi*r1*n1
w substitution & simplification
8n0=n0+60
n0=60/7
100 feet=2*pi*r0*60/7 so r0=3'8.56"/2 and r1=5.57'/2
The front wheel is 3'8.66" (44.56") in diameter and the rear wheel is 5.57' in diameter. * (See below)


Amazing how close we all are:
Mark: 44.6/5.6
Rap.: 44.56/5.57
Try.:44.4/5.6

All close enough I would say. Laughing



Four carnivorous beetles awake from a good night's rest feeling agreeably hungry. These beetles are not too particular about their diets and will always move directly towards their prey at a constant speed of 1 cm/sec. It just so happens that this morning the beetle at point A wakes up looking directly at B, who is looking at C, who is looking at D, who is looking at A. The points A, B, C and D are at the corners of a square of sides 4 cms.

All the beetles wake up at the same instant and start moving towards their prey. Clearly they will follow a curved path because their breakfast is on the move too!

Does A catch up with B Question and if so:

How long does this take Question
How far does A move in this time Question
What happens Question




A three-digit number is such that its second digit is the sum of its first and third digits.

Easy! Now can you prove that the number must be divisible by 11. Question

I doubt it. Laughing
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raprap
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 07:23 am
Hungry Hungry Carnivores
[size=7]A catches B at the same time that B catches C, C catches D, and D catches A
At 1 cm/s and a initial square size of 4cm--4 seconds
A, B, C, & D all move 4 cm
They all meet proboscis to proboscis in a round robin eat off.[/size]


Three digit number
[size=7]If abc|11 then some #pq*11=abc
pq*11=pq*10+pq=p(p+q)q
p(p+q)q=abc so p=a q=b & p+q=b=a+b
So any number abc with b=a+b is abc=11*ab and abc|11.
There is a restriction, this will only be true is a+b<10[/size]


My ordinaty is not an origional, I built it as a project in a welding class decades ago.

Two reasons why it is difficult to ride, aside from climbing the spine under weigh to mount the seat, is that the pedals are connected directly to the handlebars and each pedal has to be counteracted by pulling on the opposite bar end and the tyres (like the English spelling?) are not pneumatic (Dr Dunlop's invention of pneumatic tyres was a definite breakthrough for two wheelers).

In addition the center of gravity is very high and the wheelbase is short, so slowing under weigh can become an exercise in unicycling.

Rap
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markr
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:27 am
[size=7]BEETLES
yes, 4 seconds, 4 cm, they converge in the center
The key is the fact that the one you're chasing is always moving orthogonally to you.

3-DIGIT NUMBER
Proof 1: A test for divisibility by 11 is to sum the digits in a +, -, +, - pattern (every other digit is subtracted). If the final total is a multiple of 11, then so is the number.
In this case we have a - (a+b) + b = 0.

Proof 2: a(a+b)b = 100a + 10(a+b) + b = 110a + 11b = 11(10a+b) = 11*ab
***In the above, adjacent letters are concatenated, not multiplied.
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Tryagain
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 04:45 pm
"My ordinaty is not an origional, I built it as a project in a welding class decades ago. mine has a 60" front wheel and a 16" rear."

Five feet! Shocked Now, you have got me interested in the history of why they built them like that.



I have just been sent the following two ?'riddles' the first I can answer, but the second, oh boy, it has me beat. Crying or Very sad

Any ideas?


Assume that exactly 85 per cent of trains arrive on time.

I have a problem; I have been told that my two girlfriends are planning a surprise visit today. They each catch a train. Assuming that the train's times are independent, what is the probability that:

a) Both trains arrive on time Question
b) One train arrives on time, but not the other Question



The Persian and Greek armies march along a straight road at (different) constant speeds. They spy on each other by sending scouts back and forth on foot or on horseback. The scouts also travel at constant speeds (not necessarily at the same speed as each other). A traveller is walking at constant speed along the road between the two armies.

The Greek army sends out two scouts simultaneously, one on horseback, the other on foot. The Persian army does the same, at a different time. The Greek horseman reaches the Persian army, and immediately turns around to return to the Greek army; the Persian horsemen behaves similarly when he reaches the Greek army.

The Greek footscout arrives at the Persian army at the same time as the returning Persian horseman, and the Persian footscout arrives at the Greek army at the same time as the returning Greek horseman.

On both their outward and return journeys, the two horsemen pass each other at the same time as they pass the traveller. Prove that, on their outward journey, the two footscouts also pass each other at the same time as they pass the traveller Question

Good luck.
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markr
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 05:27 pm
TRAINS
72.25%
25.5%
[size=7][/size]
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markr
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 06:26 pm
ARMIES
[size=7]A picture is worth a thousand words. My avatar shows the situation. The y-axis is position along the road. The x-axis is time. The black lines describe the motions of the two armies. The red lines describe the motions of the horsemen. The green lines describe the motions of the footmen. The blue line is the traveler.

What needs to be proven (I haven't yet) is that the two intersections of the red lines and the intersection of the green lines are collinear.

I contend that the horsemen may return at a different rate than they leave and the situation is the same. In fact, the avatar illustrates this.

From left to right, call the intersections along the top black line D, A, and E. From left to right, call the intersections along the bottom black line C, F, and B.

What needs to be proven is:
Given points D, A, E, C, F, and B as described, the intersections of AC and DF, CE and BD, and AB and EF are all collinear.

<edited to match new avatar and Pappus Theorem>
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raprap
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 06:54 pm
The ordinary was an exercise in increasing mechanical advantage with no chain or sprockets. The bigger the wheel, the faster the bike.

Although the ordinary (or penny farthing ) is almost universally recognized it was short lived and was only really used for about 10 years as it was replaced by the ?'safety' bicycle in about 1880. The ?'safety' bicycle is a rear wheel drive machine that uses the chain and sprocket system of a modern bicycle. A residue of the ?'ordinary' still exists. Modern cyclists still refer to their gearing as the size of their ?'wheel' with modern multi-geared road machines running between 30" and 120" wheels.

Trains
[size=7]Both are on time 72.25% of the time
One will be late 25.5% of the time
Both will be late 2.25% of the time[/size]


Persians and Greeks
[size=7]Still pondering the question[/size]

Rap
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markr
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2005 10:14 pm
ARMIES
[size=7]This is an example of the Pappus Theorem.
From a geometry text:
"If D, A, E are distinct points on a line l, and C, F, B, are distinct points on another line m, coplanar with l, then the three points (DF intersect AC), (DB intersect CE), and (EF intersect AB) are collinear.
[/size]
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2005 10:00 am
Rap:

Hungry Hungry Carnivores
A catches B at the same time that B catches C, C catches D, and D catches A Cool

At 1 cm/s and a initial square size of 4cm--4 seconds
A, B, C, & D all move 4 cm Cool

They all meet proboscis to proboscis in a round robin eat off. Cool

Poor robin Crying or Very sad


Three digit number
If abc|11 then some #pq*11=abc
pq*11=pq*10+pq=p(p+q)q
p(p+q)q=abc so p=a q=b & p+q=b=a+b
So any number abc with b=a+b is abc=11*ab and abc|11.
There is a restriction, this will only be true is a+b<10 Cool


Mark:
BEETLES
yes, 4 seconds, 4 cm, they converge in the center Cool
The key is the fact that the one you're chasing is always moving orthogonally to you. Cool

3-DIGIT NUMBER
Proof 1: A test for divisibility by 11 is to sum the digits in a +, -, +, - pattern (every other digit is subtracted). If the final total is a multiple of 11, then so is the number.
In this case we have a - (a+b) + b = 0.

Proof 2: a(a+b)b = 100a + 10(a+b) + b = 110a + 11b = 11(10a+b) = 11*ab Cool
***In the above, adjacent letters are concatenated, not multiplied.

Damn, those guys sure know their beetles. Razz For the rest of you;

The problem is symmetrical so we can see straight away that whatever paths the beetles take they will always be at the four vertices of a square whose origin remains fixed.

We know that A's path must curve because B is also moving. From the direction of B's motion we can also see that A's path must curve towards the interior of the square. So the square is shrinking (as well as rotating clockwise).

Notice that the component of B's velocity in the direction of AB is always zero so the length of the side from A to B is shrinking at the speed at which A is moving towards B, 1cm/s. After 4s the square has shrunk to a point with all the beetles having spiralled into the centre.

To summarise: A takes 4s to catch B and travels 4cm in this time. As to what happens, that is left to your imagination!




Three digits.
What I meant to write was, "I don't doubt it"

When we write a three-digit number in base-ten we are really saying "so many hundreds", "so many tens" and "so many units". If our number is n and the digits are represented by x, y and z (reading from left to right) then we can write:

n = 100x + 10y + z

We are told that

y = x + z

Therefore

n = 100x + 10(x + z) + z

n = 110x + 11z

n = 11(10x + z)

Therefore n must be divisible by 11!



Trains.

Mark was on the right track when he said,
"TRAINS
72.25% Cool
25.5%" Cool


Rap was on time with:
Both are on time 72.25% of the time Cool
One will be late 25.5% of the time Cool
Both will be late 2.25% of the time Cool




Armies.
Right theorem. I cannot see any avatars at the moment. I will return later.



Rap, thank you for the information on the bikes. Totally unsuitable for road surfaces of the time. A wonder how the idea got off the ground, never mind the rider. Laughing




The local recycling plant has just bought a new metal compactor that produces a smaller cube of scrap iron than does the older machine. Mark noticed however, that the combined volumes of one cube from each compactor was numerically the same as the combined lengths of all their edges.

What are the dimensions of the cubes, if you consider only integral solutions Question




The Valley High School Math Club was out on its field day. The teacher, Mr. Rap, assigned Mark and Whim the problem of finding a buried box. He told them that the box was buried at the fourth vertex of the parallelogram having three of its vertices at (-1,4), (1,1), and (3,5) on the Cartesian grid that was laid out on the field. Mark and Whim dug at (1,8), but the box was not there.

Why didn't they find the buried box Question
What would you do Question
Defend your decision, to your last breath.


A bag contains 50 red and 50 yellow balls. There are three boxes on a shelf. One is labeled RED; one is labeled YELLOW; and one is labeled MIXED.

Two balls at a time are taken from the bag. If both are yellow, they are placed in the YELLOW box; if both are red, they are placed in the RED box. If one of each is picked, both go into the box marked MIXED.

What is the probability that the box marked RED and the box marked YELLOW will have the same number of balls after all pairs of balls have been drawn from the bag Question
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markr
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2005 01:43 pm
[size=7]CUBES
2x2x2, 4x4x4

BOX
Because they were unlucky. They had a 1/3 chance of digging in the correct spot. I'd have one dig at (5, 2), and the other dig at (-3, 0). One of them will find the treasure.

BALLS
1
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2005 04:14 pm
ARMIES
I am sorry I still cannot see your avatar, but I like your thinking.
The problem is the wording of the task:

"Prove that, on their outward journey, the two footscouts also pass each other at the same time as they pass the traveller."

The only ?'clue' would appear to be:

"The Greek footscout (GF) arrives at the Persian army at the same time as the returning Persian horseman (PH), and the Persian footscout (PF) arrives at the Greek army at the same time as the returning Greek horseman (GH)."

Therefore, GF is half the speed of PH.
PF is like wise half of GH.

Because we know:

"On both their outward and return journeys, the two horsemen pass each other at the same time as they pass the traveller."

However:
"The Greek army sends out two scouts simultaneously, one on horseback, the other on foot. The Persian army does the same, at a different time."

It's ?'the different time' although they arrive at the same time.
I am not sure the problem as worded can be solved. Embarrassed


Woah! Now I can, and you are on the right lines Cool
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markr
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 02:23 am
Right lines??? I'm done. And it's true that the return speed of the horsemen does not have to match the outbound speed. The Pappus Theorem doesn't restrict the slopes of the lines.
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 11:01 am
Mark:

CUBES
2x2x2, Cool 4x4x4 Cool

BOX
Because they were unlucky. They had a 1/3 chance of digging in the correct spot. I'd have one dig at (5, 2), Cool and the other dig at (-3, 0). Cool One of them will find the treasure.

BALLS
1 Cool

Armies:
"The Pappus Theorem doesn't restrict the slopes of the lines."

Good point. If I ever find the correct answer. I will let you all know.

I asked rap where did he think the armies were? He replied, "At the end of your handies" Shocked

Can't argue with that. Laughing


In order to win a prize in the lottery, a person must select the correct three-digit number. Mark chose 345. What is the probability that he will win Question

Someone told him to "box" the number to have a better chance of winning. ("Box" the number means the digits can occur in any order, such as 354,534,453, etc.) What would be the probability of Mark winning if he did "box" his numbers Question



A new airline is beginning flights next week. in the preliminary instructions, all flight attendants are told that they must wear a different outfit every day. Maria is one of the new flight attendants. She has three times as many blouses as pairs of slacks, and twice as many colorful scarves as blouses. How many blouses, scarves, and pairs of slacks must Maria own in order to be able to wear a different outfit every day for at least three years Question

Yes, I know, it's a long flight.


Rap, a professional basketball player, is an 80 percent foul shooter. He is fouled at the final buzzer, and goes to the foul line for two shots. His team is trailing by one point. What is the probability that Rap's team will:

1) Win in regulation time Question
2) Lose in regulation time Question
3) Go into overtime Question

The rest of us are going out for a game of golf. Razz
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markr
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 08:37 pm
[size=7]LOTTERY 1
If the numbers range from 100-999, then the probability is 1/900.

LOTTERY 2
6/900 = 1/150

MARIA
4 pairs of slacks
12 blouses
24 scarves

RAP
1) .64
2) .04
3) .32
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