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Should human rights be taken away from someone if they are diagnosed with schizophrenia?

 
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 06:38 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
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Well it never gets done. As I look on my floor and around me I see pilles stuff that been there for 4 years.


Small tasks that will make you feel better and useful.

...Small tasks is a good way to start your recovery...why don´t you take the challenge of slowly starting to put some of that stuff in its rightful place and do some small cleaning...it does n´t seem much but afterwards you get a sense of accomplishment and usefulness that will make you feel better, a sense of job being done. Same with yourself...drag yourself into the bathtub and take a long relaxing hot shower...you will imagine it like if you were cleaning out the "negative energy" in you, washing it away...dress something clean afterwards and go for a cup of ice tee in the garden if you have one or watch some relaxing film...in the end of the day you will feel less depressed, and you will be able to look at yourself and say: hey, it was n´t that hard...I´ve done it, and I just got to keep at it one day at a time ! Wink

From a sunny hot day in Portugal my best regards>FILIPE DE ALBUQUERQUE
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 08:28 am
Maybe someone with 2 personalities should get 2 votes... Wink
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 09:07 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

Sorry it took me so long to update. Im trying to understand any changes in mood or state of mind so I talked it over with someone in fiesta that I am in contact with evreyday. My mood still the same. I still snap but I dont overthink stuff as much. So I still have the same thought proccess but shortned. Less of a 'Grandiosty' Felling. I do try to see the rational side of things now that I know my disease. Anxiety outdoors is there but shortneed so not as overwhelming. My though proccess as you can see by my topics are still different than 99% of the population. If not more. I cannot even by posting my thoughts in something thats completly opposite of societies point of view. Get a logical argument of why it would be 'delusional' so I must rationalize that my points are not. That does outcast me from society though. The current beliefs that bacteria and germs are 'Bad'. As well all the other posts I posted to include a EMP event thats bound to happen. As being a warnig to either look at our current tecknology or to prepare for a world changing event as not being delusional but as being reality. I talked about sizemic activity. Talked about spending 10% of the worlds millitary budget in space colonization. Talked about how by my defenition God are the voices in my head and with no viable argument against disproving it. So these topics are in the minority of how a regular mind thinks because, well I can just look around and see that. But with no intelectual argument agaist my points of view I can only assume my points of views carry merrit. So I kind of feel that turning down my mind sometimes is like tunning off what could be sometimes a moment of brilliance. But reality is that well let me post then continue, in case my comp shuts off.


I think you're managing to do a good job of seeing how your disease affects your thought processes and how those processes are different than a large segment of society. I don't know that they aren't moments of brilliance either. Or, some moments of pure delusion combined with other moments of brilliance - all contributing to on-going exhaustion. I can't begin to image how hard it must be.

It sounds like the new meds are "taking the edge off", so to speak. To me, that sounds like a good thing -- finding some spot on the continuum where you're still you (vs a zombie-like character) and yet able to function better than without the meds. Is that how you're feeling?

peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

Well like when I worked I lived in hotels, My food there was a per diem so it was paid for and I ate out. Transportation was taken care of. I was able to run simple assembly projects but was terrible with paperwork I just delegated most of it and did alot signing. I cant read for verry long. So I was basicly taken care off. Thank you. But now what should be minor chores are impossible to do. Well it never gets done. As I look on my floor and around me I see pilles stuff that been there for 4 years. No sheets on the bed and I wear the same clothes week in and out. Can not look at a mirror for more than 5 seconds at a time without my mind wondering off somewhere. Looking at it logicaly, I have become severely handicaped by this disesease. So I dont know whats instore for me. I am uneployable right now. And I dont see any changes in any future. I just dont know. Well if anyone got anything please post. Thank you


Did you look at the floor and/or notice the piles of stuff before you starting the new meds? Yes, I understand that you've become severely handicapped. I'm sorry this has happened to you. What a brutal disease! I'm just curious, however, if some of the things you're noticing now are because you're able to see your surroundings better, or have you always seen it and are simply incapable of reacting to it?
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 03:05 pm
@Cyracuz,
Hehe Smile Smile
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 03:31 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Hmm yes.. Is hard to explain Ill try. Its any are of the house I occupied for the past 5 years. In the living room were I opened the computer 7 years ago. Its the same with things like I left it 7 years ago. My room the same. My mind likes puts priorities on what to argue about in its conference room and then it goes into a tunel vision completly ignoring evreything else. Is not by choice. I have realy tried to over come it with no success. like cleaning the bathroom I put like tremendoes effort in cleaning it one day. Sounds basic and simple right? After what semmed like an internity I was able to get the mirror and sink to 'army standarts' clean. The whole time my mind was in I guess you call it delusional arguments till I finaly passed out about 4 or 6 hours later and have not gone back to finish anything else there. its been over six months. My Brother once told me I live inside my own mind. As him being a doc that plays state lvl chess and is a gifted musician as well as a proffessor of phycology and runs his own successfull practice. Well I would be follish not to respect his point of view. At the end of my proffession I delegaded evreything. That was my job a delegator lol. I was able to picture 50 people in a project working and visualize an estimated rate of accomplishement. Personaly though I was a mess. And the disease been steadly getting worse as time goes by. I plan things and a month later briefly remember that I planed them before swiching to a new 'conferance' and evreything else takes a back seat. My mom will say What are you laughing about" or "who are you talking too" And will take me a sec to realize that my conferance room said something funny. Or intense enough to were I disscuss it outloud. Are you able to picture a little of how I am?
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 03:51 pm
@JPB,
Yes I understand that you are saying "these things are delusional". But thats a easy statement to say. Here let me give it a try. Combing youre hair putting on flower fragranse and not worring about a EMP event is delusional. Because well it doesnt serves to biological purpose. Except maybe for matting rituals? In fact breaking the biological ring of life by eliminating other creatures that are part of the chain might even be harmfull. And hey maybe theyre instaling a piece of equipment evreywere that absorbs any surge of electricity, But I still dont know about it. See ? I am putting an example to ratify my delusional thoughs. When I post something I am asking "is this delusional?" And if so why. That way like my "How long does it take for the goverment pull something posted topic". See I was able to eliminate that and put it on delusional file because some people posted evidence that I could not argue against. So it cured it. Understanding seems to be a verry powerfull medicine for me. So please when you say this is delusional, Say this is delusional 'Because..... ..... ...." That way I can cure myself of the delusion. In the reply before this I hope I explained the other section of youre question. Thank you again I highly respect your posts.
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 07:25 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

Yes I understand that you are saying "these things are delusional". But thats a easy statement to say. Here let me give it a try. Combing youre hair putting on flower fragranse and not worring about a EMP event is delusional. Because well it doesnt serves to biological purpose. Except maybe for matting rituals? In fact breaking the biological ring of life by eliminating other creatures that are part of the chain might even be harmfull. And hey maybe theyre instaling a piece of equipment evreywere that absorbs any surge of electricity, But I still dont know about it. See ? I am putting an example to ratify my delusional thoughs. When I post something I am asking "is this delusional?" And if so why. That way like my "How long does it take for the goverment pull something posted topic". See I was able to eliminate that and put it on delusional file because some people posted evidence that I could not argue against. So it cured it. Understanding seems to be a verry powerfull medicine for me. So please when you say this is delusional, Say this is delusional 'Because..... ..... ...." That way I can cure myself of the delusion. In the reply before this I hope I explained the other section of youre question. Thank you again I highly respect your posts.


Sorry, I wasn't clear. I wasn't saying, "these things are delusional" at all. My thoughts may confuse you more than they help you but I'm of the opinion that we (society) oftentimes dismiss brilliance as delusion. You listed some topics that you're struggling with and wonder if they are all delusional. I understand that that's your dilemma and that many in society will say that they're all delusional simply because they're atypical. I don't take that position at all. Nor do I think I'm smart enough to argue a case of which of your thoughts are brilliance and which of them are delusions.

If you think your conversations are manifestations of God then, in my opinion, that's what they are. That's because, to me, the concept of God is personal. To many others, however, God has a precise meaning defined by a certain understanding of a given scripture. So, my point -- which may be confusing to you -- is that I know that you struggle with deciding what's "real", but defining real and rational is an imperfect science.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Fri 15 Apr, 2011 09:28 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
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Understanding seems to be a verry powerfull medicine for me.


Amen!
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 16 Apr, 2011 05:02 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Hi Pete !
...make no doubts we all live inside our own minds, as we all over think stuff time to time, not that hard to get where your coming from, at least up to a certain point...in that sense my advise to you was precisely about priority´s, kind off like establishing the limits own the side off the road in which you are focused...making the banal stuff, like cleaning and taking care of yourself can be a point of logical equilibrium to sustain some "normality" which you must regard as precious...not because there´s nothing special in being normal, but because to you in particular, that sort of normality will make the difference...regard it as a trade coin...as if you were aloud to indulge yourself in conference after doing some stuff...any ways who am I to be advising you, I am not much of the cleaning sort myself...I have to drag my mind almost by force to do the stuff I have to do around the house everyday, as at the moment I live alone and there´s no one else to share the burden...I´ll do it because it needs to be done and so I keep at it like it or not...
Hope you don´t take my advise as an intrusion on your personal life...I was thinking only on how you could improve your daily routine to your own judgement of it...

Best Regards>FILIPE DE ALBUQUERQUE
triathbee
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2011 01:21 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
This blog might be worth a reading, this lady has schizophrenia and started a nonprofit in Atlanta, GA that helps people!! Its interesting in any case, she was hospitalized for a period, and jailed for a crime also, but states that she's in 'remission'. I'm not sure of the validity of the site, but it was surely an interesting read in any case...

http://overcomingschizophrenia.blogspot.com/2009/02/path-that-god-chose-for-me.html
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 19 Apr, 2011 03:26 pm
@JPB,
Hi no please keep posting you are doing the right thing. Please forgive me. I read the beguinings of a sentance and my starts arguing about the meaning. Thats why I havent managed to read a book in its enterity in my life. And yes this has gotten me in alot of trouble lol. This time it discused something I have battles with rather offen latly. Trying to determing what a delusion is. Again I am sorry sometimes it takes me days to writte something down in here. I am better accustomed to the druken felling now. Unless I look for it I wont even know its there . Well light headness sometimes. I seem to be more irratable mostly because my mind its a full speed again and my discutions are getting more intance again. nexr monday I have the appt with the doc and will discuss it. Again keep posting and try to make it short I still havent completly reread both of your last responses I dont know maybe dont do the huge quotes. Thank you again for being you !! Smile
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 19 Apr, 2011 03:34 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Yes well sometimes I feel like the kid thats telling the class that he peed in his bed last night. Remember I am also a soldier. And if you ever been to a military barrics you can instally know how it is maintained. I do know how, hmmm to control my bladder lets say. Is just that these things been happening to me beyond my control. But i still evreyday try not to pee in my bed, its embarrising. I am only telling yall about my condition so it can be documented to maybe help the study and maybe eventualy cure of my disease. Sorry if I seem irrate at times its also part of my condition. Thank again for posting. I will keep reporting in here so yall can keep up on how the treatment is going.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 19 Apr, 2011 03:36 pm
@triathbee,
Hmmm yes. is hard to tell. Because of the stigma assocciated with this disease some people may say "Im cured" just so society will accept them again. Interisting though
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Tue 19 Apr, 2011 05:23 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
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(...) I havent managed to read a book in its enterity in my life


Perhaps you could try reading Siddhartha, by Herman Hesse. It is a small book, less than 150 pages in pocket format, but it is a book that has set millions on a path towards understanding themselves better and better. It is simply and brilliantly written, and it deals with some deep subjects in a very clear and concise way. There is a good chance you will find this book in your own language, since it has been translated to quite a few languages from german, which it was originally written in.
I say this because I remember you saying that understanding seemed to be a very powerful medicine for you, and for me this book was truly the start of journey towards a clearer understanding of myself.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 19 Apr, 2011 05:30 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
pjc, I remember reading an article about incontinence some years ago. It helps to control peeing by holding it as long as you can when you are awake and aware nature calls. This seems to strengthen whatever it is that weakens your bladder. Also, talk to your doctor about this problem. They probably have more recent studies on this problem, and can help you overcome it.

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 19 Apr, 2011 06:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Was he for real or was he using it as an example?
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2011 12:44 am
@cicerone imposter,
Hmm yes I see I missworded my intentions. Sorry Iam was once a productive member of society. Daily showers dresss right dress evrething. What I was trying to say is that my mid is no longer able to fuction in that manner. And as far as fear goes well I usto to walk in a 6 inch steel beam and then connecting another one to a steel upright frame. That was 15 stories above ground. So I have a pretty good concept of what fear is. I can conquer that. Its more like I am having a paralysing overload of information . Hmm it must be hard for you to undesrstand I know this. Thats is why I am taking the time to expain it. Please I dont mean to offend you. I am just trying to record my condition. Maybe its enviriomental things that have degreaded my condition to this I dont know. I do know that my future does not look bright. Hopeless seems to be a fitting word. Yes it is embarising. And yes I can take a good joke. Please keep posting. Its my honor to answer your posts
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2011 12:45 am
@Cyracuz,
can you give me a video link I have trouble reading much/ Thank you.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2011 02:37 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
I haven't seen the film, so I really don't know if it captures the book well, but I did find a link to a trailer.



If you have trouble reading, does that extend to when someone reads to you? If not, perhaps you can have someone read books to you. I had a girlfriend once who loved to read to me, and loved it when I read to her. It was really enjoyable.
triathbee
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2011 12:55 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
In this case remission is defined as going more than 6 months without a dilusional state of mind, I believe she's not saying she's cured by any means. Smile
 

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