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McNabb Gets Benched

 
 
Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 10:01 pm

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By Sally Jenkins

Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 17, 2010; 6:36 PM

At some point, the Washington Redskins have to find out how much of the problem is Donovan McNabb. If he isn't the right quarterback for them, they need to know it now so they can figure out what to do next. One way to make a diagnosis is to bench him. McNabb's admirers, both in and out of the locker room, cry that he has been disrespected and scapegoated, but the fact is, scapegoating is part of an NFL quarterback's job description. As Hyman Roth told Michael Corleone, "This is the business we've chosen."

Everybody likes McNabb personally, including Coach Mike Shanahan, who calls him "as classy of a guy that you'll ever meet in your whole life." But where is it written that his job is guaranteed because he's well liked and nice to kids?

The fact is, McNabb has been more classy good this season.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/17/AR2010121704051.html?hpid=topnews

Very true, but even back in 2003 when Rush said it I agreed that McNabb has never been as good as his rep, that is rep is created by those who have a strong need for a successful black quarterback, and if they dont have one they will create one.

What will happen? I expect that the Redskins (BTW- they better hurry up and change their non-PC name) will do as well or better without their high priced over rated QB.
 
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2010 10:14 pm
I hope he comes and plays for the Cardinals next season.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2010 07:10 pm
@Ticomaya,
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I hope he comes and plays for the Cardinals next season.
so much for the contention that Washington Redskins are getting their act together after years of being the buffoons of the NFL...They give McNabb a major contract and then just a month later they look to be ready to get rid of him???!! I get that not much of the contract was guarantied, but still, these people need to make up their minds what they want to do.

I dont know what is worse..giving a known loser like McNabb the contract in the first place (and bringing him into the organization), or seemingly changing their minds a few weeks later..
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engineer
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2010 08:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Very true, but even back in 2003 when Rush said it I agreed that McNabb has never been as good as his rep, that is rep is created by those who have a strong need for a successful black quarterback, and if they dont have one they will create one.

So in 2004, McNabb led the Eagles to the Superbowl completing 300 out of 469 (64 percent) passes for 3,875 yards, 31 touchdowns, and 8 interceptions, making him the first quarterback to ever throw for more than 30 touchdowns and fewer than 10 interceptions in a season. He also rushed for 220 yards and 3 touchdowns. (Wikipedia entry) While I don't think McNabb is the man in 2010, in 2003/4, he certainly was a play maker and led the Eagles from obscurity in 2000 to the big game four years later. There have certainly been over-hyped quarterbacks in the NFL before and maybe Rush has a little sport segment where he slams white quarterbacks, but I suspect that Rush has a strong need to say something controversial and if he doesn't have something, he will create one.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2010 11:56 pm
@engineer,
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So in 2004, McNabb led the Eagles to the Superbowl completing 300 out of 469 (64 percent) passes for 3,875 yards, 31 touchdowns, and 8 interceptions, making him the first quarterback to ever throw for more than 30 touchdowns and fewer than 10 interceptions in a season
Ya, he has the individual stats but outside of that one season, where he could not close the deal in the Superbowl, the teams he has lead have had a record of being underachievers. Obviously very few people want to believe that the problem is McNabb, but after a decade of watching his teams not do well it is the reasonable, rational conclusion. Sally Jenkins seemed to be making this point re this season , and I agree with her, and think that it applies to his entire career.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 01:59 am
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By Mike Wise
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, December 19, 2010; 12:54 AM

Whether you've behaved like an apostle of the coach or an apologist for the quarterback the past four months, we can all agree on one thing: Mike Shanahan's most substantial personnel decision has become a colossal mistake, costing the Washington Redskins draft picks and a botched, wasted experiment of a season.
Yet as they limp into Dallas on Sunday, I am beginning to seriously debate what that egregious mistake was for Shanahan: Was it trading for Donovan McNabb or hiring his 30-year-old son, Kyle, as offensive coordinator? Was it not doing due diligence on McNabb or just flat-out nepotism?

One fact is certain. Dad bought the wrong toy for young, headstrong Kyle

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/18/AR2010121802852.html?hpid=topnews

Obviously......Nothing ever changes in the Washington Redskin organization, it is always in SNAFU mode.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 02:17 am
@Ticomaya,
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I hope he comes and plays for the Cardinals next season.

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06:47 AM ET 12.18 | The Cardinals have long been rumored to become Donovan McNabb's future employer, but there was never any basis in fact. Let's see, McNabb lives in the Valley, trains near the Cardinals complex and can sometimes be seen at a smoothie shop just down the street. So he must be the Cardinals next quarterback, right? The only problem with the story is there was never a story. Over the last two years, I've asked Cardinals officials numerous times about alleged interest in McNabb. Each time, they have dismissed it. So all of the speculation Friday is premature at best. Do the Cardinals pursue him? I would be surprised. McNabb has never played in this offensive system. There are allegations that he's not the hardest working guy in the business.He has no ties to this coaching staff, which doesn't seem to hold him in as high a regard as some fans. Maybe the Cardinals will show interest this time. They will look to bring in a veteran quarterback next season, and they will be tempted to draft one with their first selection. Maybe McNabb would be a nice bridge to the future. But again, I doubt it happens.



Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/255530-why-mcnabb-wont-be-cardinals-next-qb#ixzz18XlEUDdN


Well Tico, It looks like the folks in the Cardinal organization are smarter than you give them credit for.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 02:22 am
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So now it's eight months after the McNabb trade to Washington, and a second highly respected quarterback guy, Mike Shanahan, has spurned McNabb. Whether you like the move or hate it (and I find the timing questionable, certainly, with McNabb having played better than average Sunday in the 17-16 loss to Tampa Bay), the one thing you have to admit is this: Two smart quarterback men have turned thumbs-down on McNabb in the span of nine months. You can defend McNabb all you want, and Lord knows he has his legions of defenders out there, but Reid and Shanahan are in the business of winning football games. Both have been to Super Bowls. Shanahan's won two of them. And both said they thought they could do better than McNabb.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/12/17/week-15/index.html#ixzz18XmWbXld

Because he is a LOSER!...some people see the light before others.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 06:02 am
@hawkeye10,
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For coaches, the problems with McNabb can't all be measured in statistics. Those familiar with the decision to bench him say the 12-year veteran didn't understand the playbook, didn't work through his progressions, struggled to read coverages and couldn't manage the game, which resulted in costly delay-of-game penalties and bad timeouts.

Those weaknesses have made it difficult for coaches to assess the other players on the field, according to some in the organization. They can't see what pass catchers are capable of because McNabb might not look their way. McNabb has taken some sacks by failing to step up in the pocket, which has forced offensive tackles at times to change their technique. He's dug the team some early holes and the Redskins have had to abandon the running game in the second half, which makes evaluating tailbacks difficult.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/18/AR2010121803059.html?hpid=topnews

WOW, hopefully this is mostly BS and not the truth. One the other hand being this intellectually deficient WOULD account for why he is a loser on the field.

EDIT: Come to think of it.......Didn't Jimmy the Greek get into a spot of hot water for saying that the reason we dont have more black QB's is because blacks tend to not have the intellect required for the position?

OH, never mind....
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 07:22 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Well Tico, It looks like the folks in the Cardinal organization are smarter than you give them credit for.

I sincerely doubt it.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 04:59 pm

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ARLINGTON, TEX. - Directed by new starting quarterback Rex Grossman, the Washington Redskins showed significant improvement on offense but continued their season-ending slide Sunday in a 33-30 loss to the Dallas Cowboys at Cowboys Stadium.

Grossman impressed in his first game since supplanting benched six-time Pro Bowler Donovan McNabb, passing for 322 yards, matching a career high with four touchdown passes and helping the Redskins tie the score at 30 in the fourth quarter after they trailed by as many as 20 points in the third.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/19/AR2010121902533.html?hpid=artslot

Hawkeye10, right again.....
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What will happen? I expect that the Redskins (BTW- they better hurry up and change their non-PC name) will do as well or better without their high priced over rated QB.
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Gargamel
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 05:12 pm
Do you watch football, Hawkeye? I understand that you do not like black people, but please look at the facts.

McNabb holds every passing record in Eagles history. He took them to four consecutive NFC championships.

His career passer rating, 86, is among the top of active QBs, about 5 points below Peyton Manning's career passer rating.

The problem is Mike Shanahan, a notorious asshole. He is extremely tough on his quarterbacks, each of whom he expects to play like Elway, every game. Look at how much better a QB Jay Cutler has become since he escaped Denver.

And Rex Grossman is his backup. I know Rex is white, but if you're interested in winning football games, not only do you start McNabb, but you avoid putting Rex out there under any circumstances.

In conclusion, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Gargamel
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 05:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

WOW, hopefully this is mostly BS and not the truth. One the other hand being this intellectually deficient WOULD account for why he is a loser on the field.

EDIT: Come to think of it.......Didn't Jimmy the Greek get into a spot of hot water for saying that the reason we dont have more black QB's is because blacks tend to not have the intellect required for the position?

OH, never mind....


Why do you bother with elaborate arguments? Save yourself some time and start a single "Black People Make Me Uncomfortable" thread and get to the point.
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Gargamel
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 05:17 pm
Oh, by the way, did you see the second half Michael Vick had today? In spite of his "intellectual deficit" he appears to be frontrunner for MVP.

That must drive you crazy. Even more than the black family who moved across the street from you.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 05:19 pm
@Gargamel,
Great post.
(ok, I'll be quiet now)
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 05:35 pm
@Gargamel,
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In conclusion, you have no idea what you are talking about
Me being right calls into question your conclusion. We shall see if anyone is seriously interested in McNabb at this point. He might find a spot on a roster as a back-up but given this last season and what I expect would be his offense at being considered only worthy of back-up status he might not get even that.

BTW- I like Vick, and have said so many times. My problem is with McNabb and how he has been given undue elevated status because he is black, I dont have a problem with black myself.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2010 01:15 am
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It wasn't so much that Grossman threw four touchdown passes, the first time a Redskins quarterback has done such a thing since 2005, or that the Redskins put up 30 points for the first time in 16 games. It was that Grossman mounted such sustained drives. The scoring chart looked like this: they went 78 yards, 71 yards, 78 yards, and 56 yards. It was the smoothest and most rhythmic they've looked all season.

"It was boom, boom," Grossman said. "Long pass, couple short passes, a nice run, and it was like, all right. Next drive, we did it again, and we knew we were on fire."

As it turns out, the controversial benching of McNabb was a message from Shanahan to everyone in the organization: If you won't run the offense, we'll find someone who will.

"I understand this game." Shanahan said pointedly afterward. "I understand how it works."

It's now obvious that McNabb was a hang-up for the Redskins, that his inefficiency strangled them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/19/AR2010121903982.html?hpid=artslot

SHAZAM!
Gargamel
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2010 08:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
Except not. Again, do you watch football? Did you watch it in 2007, when Rex sucked his way from Bears starter to benchwarmer?

His career passer rating is 70. That's 16 points below McNabb's. In a few short weeks you'll be guiding your lynch mob by torchlight to Rex's penthouse.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2010 08:33 pm
@Gargamel,
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In a few short weeks you'll be guiding your lynch mob by torchlight to Rex's penthouse
Nobody expects anything out of Grossman, he is not ever going to be more than a back-up. Presumably Washington now releases McNabb and goes out to get a QB. Unless McNabb has a come to Jesus moment and decides to hit the playbook and do what he is told, which I doubt he will do. Even then it might be that McNabb does not have the intelligence required to run this offense, in which case Washington has no use for him, because they are clearly committed to this offense..
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2010 10:49 pm
As I said, I hope he comes and plays for the Cards next season. And if you don't think he would improve the AZ passing game, you haven't watched any of the Cardinal's games this year.
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