Chiraq bans Muslim head scarves in State Schools

.... and additionally a "beer" (which certainly would lead not only in Bavaria to heavy riots!).

In fairness to Steve, I do think Munich society is too tolerant of all those English drunks during the Oktoberfest. Maybe we should take a leaf out of the Saudis' book and chop their hands off every once in a while.

We don't get much more than two chances per person, though, I think.

walter :
i quickly got used to the viennese custom of 'bussing' - i was young and easily molded to new customs .
i'm glad i maintaind that 'custom' as i grew older and wiser .
particularly the (somewhat) older canadian ladies think it's quite 'charming' - and so do i .
hbg

Well of course I do this all the time whenever there are French or Italian ladies to be kissed...unfortunately rare in these parts, but mrsSteve is very understanding...cant say the same about regulars in the Hare though.

Bussi? I like those...

Most tolerant of you Thomas...hope you are not standing for Mayor of Munich

Actually English drunks still drink without a hand. Or with no hands they drink with feet. No feet and they suck it up through their ****s.

As an aside: this is the £12 gown, designed for women patients who wish to preserve their modesty for religious reasons (complies with rules on women's dress which are part of the Muslim, Hindu, Orthodox Jewish and Rastafarian faiths) which has been introduced by NHS recently:



(photo source: Manchester Evening News, 05.09.2006, page 6)

Excellent idea, considering how many perverts are allowed to practice medicine.

and for only £2 more you get the complete body bag. (Saves on hospital treatment costs).

French Muslims "intifada against police..."

French police face 'permanent intifada' By JAMEY KEATEN, Associated Press Writer
Sun Oct 22, 6:15 PM ET



EPINAY-SUR-SEINE, France - On a routine call, three unwitting police officers fell into a trap. A car darted out to block their path, and dozens of hooded youths surged out of the darkness to attack them with stones, bats and tear gas before fleeing. One officer was hospitalized, and no arrests made.

The recent ambush was emblematic of what some officers say has become a near-perpetual and increasingly violent conflict between police and gangs in tough, largely immigrant French neighborhoods that were the scene of a three-week paroxysm of rioting last year.

One small police union claims officers are facing a "permanent intifada." Police injuries have risen in the year since the wave of violence...

good

Dutch media presented this with headlines like "The Netherlands- the new country of apartheid".
Well, 'apartheid' is Dutch word, and the British liked that in South Africa as well.

I wonder, if nuns still are allowed to wear their 'outfit', and if "yes", why.

(Perhaps, because there more nuns than those about 80 Muslim women wearing a burka?)

from reading canadian news i understand that it is a ban "against hiding one's face " .
they way i read it , no one will be allowed to appear "unrecognizable" IN PUBLIC .
it seems clear that it is directed against the few muslim women wearing a "full face cover in public " .
i am really of two minds on this one .
i feel quite strongly that people should be free in their choice of clothing , but i also think one should be able to recognise people walking about town .
is this "ban" perhaps similar to "freedom of speech" , where it is nevertheless not permitted to shout "fire" falsely in a crowded space and cause a panic ?
i have watched several "open forum" discussion on public television (called : TV-ONTARIO here) on the subject of "full face cover".
many muslim scholars (both women and men) stated that there is absolutely no requirement a/t muslim law for a full face cover . they stated that it is merely a custom for certain muslim groups (sects - if they were evangelical christians ?) .
these scholars claimed that the rule of "full face cover" was introduced by certain muslim groups that wanted to control and suppress muslim women .
of course , there were others that claimed quite vehemently that "full face cover" is an absolute must .
what has made me susupious of those claiming that full face cover is a religious requirement , is that they were generally much "louder" in presenting their arguments and were not even willing to give the opponents a chance to state their point - instead labelling them as "anti-muslim" .
generally , i don't trust people that are loud and vehement in making their arguments - have had too much bad experience with those people .
hbg

I found THIS article quite interesting..........

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006510287,00.html

If they establish the right for muslim women to wear the veil its a victory for islam.

If they fail to establish the right for muslim women to wear the veil it proves muslims are oppressed.....and its a victory for islam.

There is unfortunately a war going on. The Christian west is not at war with Islam, but certain islamists most certainly are at war with western culture. imho

I think I read someplace that there's a city in the US that is going to ban the burqa.

I understand it much the same as hamburger.

Mixed feelings about what is happening in the Netherlands. Still need more clarification.

As far as I understand it, head-coverings will be fine. Much the same as if you wished to wear a scarf on your head, or a dewrag.

It is face-coverings - such as a burka or veil or niqab - that are in question, yes?

Not too long ago, there was a woman on a bus in the seat in front of me in a niqab. With her 'escort' (a man, who looked at us all suspiciously). The woman was silent and spoke only in tiny whispers to him. True, she may not know English yet. Still, the whole scene disturbed me, I must admit.
It made me very uncomfortable, and I am still trying to figure out why. They got off at the same bus stop as me.

It's simply because you are not familiar with this environment.

Perhaps, ci. I wondered if it was fear of the unfamiliar.

Yet, it also made me angry somehow. I could not see her eyes, her face, her head, her body. All I could see were her hands.

As a woman, it seemed like she was making a very bold statement. And it was one I did not like, on a gut level.