I KNOW God does not exist

@Intrepid,

Um.........uh........................I just do and that's good enough for me!

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@Arella Mae,

Me too

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@Intrepid,

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A being capable of creating all you perceive around you is easily capable of ensuring very intelligent lifeforms exist within it - some of whom reckon this being exists and some of whom don't.

What's the problem?

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I AM SO SURPRISED FROM PERSONS WHO DENY CREATOR OF UNIVERSE VERY EASILY. SOME REASONS LIKE EVOLUTION THEORY OR LIKE THAT.

WHY THEY CANNOT SEE THEIR MICROSCOPY COMPLEX DESIGN IN THEMSELF.
OK EVOULTION MAYBY IS A CORRECT THEORY.

BUT THERE IS A COMPLICATED SYSTEM IN ALL THINGS TO BE UP TO DATED AND CHANGED.
MATHEMATICAL PROBABILITY FOR CREATION WITHOUT CREATOR IS NEAR ZERO AND WHY SOME PERSONS LIKE TO BELIVE THIS ZERO PROBABILITY.
FOR EXAMPLE WHY APERSON CAN NOT BELIVE TO A DIGITAL CAMERA WITHOUT CONSTRACTOR .BUT HE FORGET OUR EYES FROM MEAT AND BLOOD AND ... AND MILLIONS TIMES COMPLEX FROM DIG CAMERA HAS NOT ANY CREATOR

KIYOUMARS FROM IRAN
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@kroshanghar,

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FOR EXAMPLE WHY APERSON CAN NOT BELIVE TO A DIGITAL CAMERA WITHOUT CONSTRACTOR .BUT HE FORGET OUR EYES FROM MEAT AND BLOOD AND ... AND MILLIONS TIMES COMPLEX FROM DIG CAMERA HAS NOT ANY CREATOR

Very good now who created this unlimited complex god????

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@BillRM,

The universe is finite. It had a beginning. Therefore something caused it. While it is up for speculation as to the definition of what or who, that cause was certainly outside the laws that bind this universe.

We know this universe had a beginning, however we know not that said cause is a finite thing, which many call God. Your question, while well thought out, isnt as waterproof as it looked

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@Smileyrius,

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We know this universe had a beginning, however we know not that said cause is a finite thing, which many call God. Your question, while well thought out, isnt as waterproof as it looked

You can summary up a god or gods to cover the areas where humans lack knowledge just as our ancestors did, but I see zero to be gain by so doing.

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@BillRM,

Interesting rebuttle sir, do you refute that the universe had a beginning? I understand that much is pretty much knowledge aquired through science.

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@Smileyrius,

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Interesting rebuttle sir, do you refute that the universe had a beginning? I understand that much is pretty much knowledge aquired through science.

The universe as we know it now had a singularly in it past that very very loosely could be call a beginning or big bang.

Everyday terms do not cover even our current understandings and theories at all well in this area of human knowledge.

Try reading some of Hawking books that try to deal with such concepts as imagine time in connection to the universe singularly in non-mathematic terms to see my point.

In any case none of our current understanding call for a god somewhere outside the universe.

But if the Greek took comforts from explaining their lack of knowledge concerning lighting by creating a god who used them as a weapon and you wish to do the same concerning the singularly be my guest.

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@BillRM,

you are welcome to explain it to me, I like to think I am pretty open minded.

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@Smileyrius,

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you are welcome to explain it to me, I like to think I am pretty open minded.

I strongly suggest going to the library and checking out Hawking books beginning with a Brief history of time.

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@BillRM,

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very loosely called a beginning

A question too if I may, though I am no specialist. I was always under the understanding that the word "beginning" does not leave much room for negotiation. What is it that "loosely" exists between something that did, and something that did not have a beginnning?

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@BillRM,

could you summarise it?

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@Smileyrius,

Hawking is the expert I am not however by the very nature of a singularity nothing can be said one way or another about before time and space came into being from that singularity.

A singularity is a break point and a barrier for the flow of information as must as it is a beginning.

There might had been time and space before the singularity there is under current theory no way of knowing.

There are however all kinds of theories concerning super universes etc and new theories that information might even be able to get "pass" even a singularity in short get Hawking books and read them.

To sum up we do not know any more then the Greek knew about lighting bolts.

Lack of knowledge is to me however is not reason to wave our hands into the air and declare a god is behind the curtain of the singularity.

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@BillRM,

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Lack of knowledge is to me however is not reason to wave our hands into the air and declare a god is behind the curtain of the singularity.

Or of course to discard the possibility.

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@Smileyrius,

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Or of course to discard the possibility.

Assuming a supernatural god is behind the curtain is not at all helpful in trying to understand the curtain anymore then making up stories about Zeus and his lighting bolts was helpful to the Greek in understanding electric.

Without the nonsense of the Greek gods the high power minds of the Greeks might very well had been able to had advance human knowledge by a thousand years.

Hell before the Rome Empire the Greek Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the earth.

In any case you or others emotional needs for a god to be out there somewhere does not made it anymore useful assumption or likely that such a magical being exist.

However you are right I can not prove that such a being does not exist anymore then I can prove that the tooth fairy does not exist however giving any great weight to either likelihood is not going to advance human understanding.

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@BillRM,

You dismiss out of hand a theory that by your admission you cannot disprove. It is often the case that one crosses a line from searching for answers into an "emotional need" for certain theories to be incorrect.

An unrelated side note, 1000 more years of human development, and we will likely have destroyed ourselves. I'd say anything that keeps man from "advancing" to his own destruction cannot be a bad thing, wether right or wrong.

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@Smileyrius,

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You dismiss out of hand a theory that by your admission you cannot disprove. It is often the case that one crosses a line from searching for answers into an "emotional need" for certain theories to be incorrect.

So anyone who dismiss the tooth fairy as a likely source of coins under a child pillow is also in error as just because you can prove that some coins come from parents that does not mean that all coins come from parents.

Just because most of the gods of human history had been shown to be silly such as the ones who cause the rain and the lighting we should be in error if we reach the conclusion that the odds of some god being out there somewhere is not at all likely. In fact about on the same level as the tooth fairy.

And I think the chance that the human race will destroy itself is very low indeed and that technology will allow us to live as long as the sun is around at least.

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@BillRM,

Would I be right in assuming that you believe that nothing caused nothing to become everything?

on the second point, you seem to have great faith in humanity, namely that it can avoid the big red button under the desk for so long.

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