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I KNOW God does not exist

 
 
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 05:39 pm
@reasoning logic,
You don't need to keep trying to make peace between me and the others. I know you are doing it out of the kindness of your heart but I am not upset at krumple or even at Bill.

The whole problem is no one has the right to tell me what or even how I should believe anything anymore than I should be able to dictate to them what and how they should believe. I believe in God and others don't. That's reality.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 05:44 pm
@Arella Mae,
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But, because I believe in God you somehow seem to think that makes me what?


An irrational adult that is open to a possible cult religious leader for example such as Jim Jones at worst and at best will likely used her vote to support any conman politician who will pound on a bible about gays or people like Hawkeye and his wife that are into S&M or any sexual behaviors that the “good” people of the “good” book do not care for.

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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 05:53 pm
@Arella Mae,
I agree with you.
I am not sure that they are telling you how to think but instead to them they are trying to share with you that your math [logic] about religion is wrong and that 1+1 does not =3
They are saying that your math [1+1 =2] seems correct for the most part in your life except when you are adding things up religiously!
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 06:12 pm
@reasoning logic,
Oh really? Look at Bill's post. What does that look like to you? He is telling me that I am an irrational person and that he doesn't like what I may base my vote on whatever I decide to base it on. Now, he has no right to tell me what I should base a vote on, does he? If I wanted to flip a coin as to yes or no as my vote for something, that's my right, just as it is his.

So please, do not try to tell me he is not telling me how I should think. Reality is he IS trying to tell me how to think. He seems to think bullying me by calling me irrational or some such nonsense is going to back me down. I am firm in my beliefs. He doesn't have to like them. I don't care if he likes them. I do not have to like or agree with anyone's moral system and they don't have to agree with mine. But they have a right to it and I have a right to mine. So, like I said, Bill needs to just stuff a sock in it.

So please, please stop trying to be the peacemaker. It's a kind thing you are doing but it isn't necessary.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 06:21 pm
@Arella Mae,
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So please, please stop trying to be the peacemaker. It's a kind thing you are doing but it isn't necessary.


But it is my right and it is what I believe in!
I think that I have a logical reason to believe that peace is the best solution!

Quote:
If I wanted to flip a coin as to yes or no as my vote for something, that's my right, just as it is his.


Yes I do think that is your right but why would I think that you would flip a coin to make a moral decision?
I would think that you would use logic to the best of your ability but I could be wrong.
I think that there is even logic involved in your religious thinking but only to a degree! Please do not take that as hateful.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 06:39 pm
@reasoning logic,
Well, you're right. If you want to be a peacemaker it is your right so I apologize for asking you to stop.

I would never flip a coin to decide on a vote. I was only using that as an example.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jul, 2011 06:47 pm
@Arella Mae,
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I am firm in my beliefs



In so must as you have no logic or reason for those firms religions beliefs you fit the definition of being irrational to the tee.

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irrational

irrational (ɪˈræʃən ə l)

— adj
1. inconsistent with reason or logic; illogical; absurd


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Krumple
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2011 12:15 am
@Arella Mae,
Arella Mae wrote:

You know nothing about me or my life. Why do you care what I base my decisions on? They don't effect your life. I don't even know you. I don't like to lie, steal, cheat, etc. I don't cuss. I don't like to hurt people's feelings. I rescue animals. I am faithful to my husband. I have a job. But, because I believe in God you somehow seem to think that makes me what? Less than you because you can do those things and don't believe in God? I don't think you are less than me because you do not believe.


Yeah what RL said pretty much. I was saying that every aspect of your life you use a form of rational deduction to understand the world. How is it you can identify who your husband is, if he were standing in a group of other men his age. How is it you can pick him out of a crowd? This tool you have in your brain which gives you the ability to do that is what I am referring to. Yet when it comes to religious faith, people shut off that tool. I am saying if you actually used that tool, you would realize that it is nonsense and does not live up to reality.

I just think that is a little inconsistent that to be a believer you must shut off the very thing that you use with every thing else. Why is that? Most who actually de-converted have realized that this very concept is what had them all caught up in the theology. It is religions way of securing it's future by teaching it's followers to shut off rational thinking when it comes to itself.
fresco
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2011 12:41 am
@Krumple,
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It is religions way of securing it's future by teaching it's followers to shut off rational thinking when it comes to itself.


Too anthropomorphic ! It makes more sense to think of religion as psychological insurance against "the void". It is the price many will continue to be drawn into paying as a result of being cognate animals with a concepts of "future", "potential insignificance", and anticipation of one's own death.
Krumple
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2011 12:52 am
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

Quote:
It is religions way of securing it's future by teaching it's followers to shut off rational thinking when it comes to itself.


Too anthropomorphic ! It makes more sense to think of religion as psychological insurance against "the void". It is the price many will continue to be drawn into paying as a result of being cognate animals with a concepts of "future", "potential insignificance", and anticipation of one's own death.


I agree with you, but the safety net is being able to think critically, otherwise you can easily get swept up by another person trying to sell snake oil.

Also the way out of theology starts with the ability to think critically. To use the tools that you use for every thing else, to analyze the things you believe in and find out if they are true or not. If they are not true or you can't determine if they are true, then they should be suspended until you can verify them. There is no good in believing in something you can't verify. But if a person still wants to that is fine but they shouldn't expect everyone else to go along with it.
fresco
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2011 01:02 am
@Krumple,
..... remembering, of course, religionists operate the catch-all clause that "critical thinking" is a "divine gift" to humans.... Laughing
JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2011 08:56 am
@fresco,
Or that it's a trick of the Devil.
Krumple, you say that ".. the way out of theology starts with the ability to think critically" I agree, but remember that Catholic Jesuits are known (among Catholics at least) for their ability to think critically. For them theology is the proper application of Aristotle..
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wayne
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2011 04:46 pm
@Krumple,
Would that be the same tool we humans use to fill the blind spot in our vision?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jul, 2011 04:51 pm
@wayne,
I would have to doubt that but maybe we could test babies and find out! Smile
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Krumple
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 01:49 am
@wayne,
wayne wrote:

Would that be the same tool we humans use to fill the blind spot in our vision?


What you mean the other eye? Nothing get's filled in if you cover one eye. It is a blind spot. The other eye compensates for the loss of information.
wayne
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 02:46 am
@Krumple,
The mind fills it in, even if you close one eye. But it can't fill it with info you don't have.
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davecool2know
 
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Reply Fri 23 Sep, 2011 06:41 am
@spidergal,
My Father in heaven exist,if u truly want to know if ur father in heaven exist go to a cool place and talk to u him and see if he wont answer u,it will answer u cos he loves u so much and he care for his children,pls understand ur father in heaven.am david,if u really want to know me more u can contact me on [email protected] so that will could talk about the most sweetest GOD in heaven.GOD BLESS U AS U DO
fresco
 
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Reply Fri 23 Sep, 2011 06:58 am
@davecool2know,
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Not only is there no God, but try getting a plumber on weekends.

Woody Allen
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 23 Sep, 2011 07:42 am
@fresco,
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It is the price many will continue to be drawn into paying as a result of being cognate animals with a concepts of "future", "potential insignificance", and anticipation of one's own death.


Is it not strange that the universe was still billions of years old before any of us came into being and yet no one seem to fear the state of non-existent before they was born only the future state of non-existent facing them?
fresco
 
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Reply Fri 23 Sep, 2011 07:56 am
@BillRM,
It is fear (of the void) which drives the contents of religious narratives, which essentially go for "closure" on the void/eternity issue. Hence both the creation and afterlife myths.
 

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