Is the Saddam we found the real one?

Weapons of mass destruction cropped up again a few posts back.

Saddam is the latest WMD to have been found!

I think there are 11 to go out of the pack of 55 'cards'.

I'm tired of the apologists on this board.

Bush flew in and pissed on Saddam's lawn. That was the key to getting this bastard. Bush forced his hand.

"I am the president of Iraq and I wish to negotiate" said the disheveled man.

"President Bush sends his regards", replied the capturing soldier.

Four Iraqi officials, at least one a former prisoner in Hussein's torture chambers, met with and identified the man. His language was quite colorful and his demeanor quite forceful. They had no doubt who he was.

Even here in liberal land no one is questioning the identity of who was captured. I'm surprised to see this posted here on A2K.

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I agree with you, Cjhsa, all liberal statements against Bush should be censored. Get with it Craven you commie.
Oh, sorry. Commies are no longer our concern. What ARE you, Craven?
Rush L.

Especially the ones who are apologists for the moron in chief. But, hey, it is a free country -- and we just gotta put up with it, cj.

This isn't a liberal thread, it's a ridiculous one. The ultimate lame attempt to spin the truth.

People like Frank and JL just can't stand the fact that Bush is doing a great job, and is very popular, that we caught Saddam alive, that the economy is turning around, that Bill and Hillary are irrelevant.

Tough.

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Bush is doing a good job? What in the world are you smoking, Cjhsa? I agree that he is popular (even though that popularity is on the wane), and that given that, no Democrat can beat him. Instead, the hope of sane people (people who are patriotic toward their country, not Bush's crony corporations)--including Republicans who must realize that Bush's insane spending and top-echelon tax cuts--violate every tenet of responsible Republicanism--is that Bush's record will defeat him. Whoever turns out to be the Democratic candidate, his strategy should be to continuously repeat Bush's record (and, of course, to put forward an inspired and inspiring alternative strategy for America).

Apparently not what you are.

An Email from a Captain in Iraq
>
>We knew there was a dinner planned with Ambassador xxx and LTG
>xxx. There were 600 seats available and all the units in the
>division were tasked with filling a few tables. Naturally, the 501st MI
>battalion got our table. Soldiers were grumbling about having to sit
>through another dog-and-pony show, so we had to pick soldiers to attend.
>I chose not to go.
>But, about 1500 the G2, LTC xxxx, came up to me and with a smile, asked
>me to come to dinner with him, to meet him in his office at 1600 and
>bring a camera. I didn't really care about getting a picture with
>Sanchez or Bremer, but when the division's senior intelligence officer
>asks you to go, you go. We were seated in the chow hall, fully decorated
>for Thanksgiving when aaaaallllll kinds of secret service guys showed
>up.
>
>That was my first clue, because Bremer's been here before and his
>personal security detachment is not that big. Then BG Dempsey got up to
>speak, and he welcomed ambassador Bremer and LTG Sanchez. Bremer thanked
>us all and pulled out a piece of paper as if to give a speech. He
>mentioned that the President had given him this thanksgiving speech to
>give to the troops. He then paused and said that the senior man present
>should be the one to give it. He then looked at Sanchez, who just
>smiled.
>
>Bremer then said that we should probably get someone more senior to read
>the speech. Then, from behind the camouflage netting, the President of
>the United States came around. The mess hall actually erupted with
>hollering. Troops bounded to their feet with shocked smiles and just
>began cheering with all their hearts. The building actually shook. It
>was just unreal. I was absolutely stunned. Not only for the obvious, but
>also because I was only two tables away from the podium. There he stood,
>less than thirty feet away from me! The cheering went on and on and on.
>
>Soldiers were hollering, cheering, and a lot of them were crying. There
>was not a dry eye at my table. When he stepped up to the cheering, I
>could clearly see tears running down his cheeks. It was the most surreal
>moment I've had in years. Not since my wedding and Aaron being born.
>Here was this man, our President, came all the way around the world,
>spending 17 hours on an airplane and landing in the most dangerous
>airport in the world, where a plane was shot out of the sky not six days
>before.
>
>Just to spend two hours with his troops. Only to get on a plane and
>spend another 17 hours flying back. It was a great moment, and I will
>never forget it. He delivered his speech, which we all loved, when he
>looked right at me and held his eyes on me. Then he stepped down and was
>just mobbed by the soldiers. He slowly worked his way all the way around
>the chow hall and shook every last hand extended. Every soldier who
>wanted a photo with the President got one. I made my way through the
>line, got dinner, then wolfed it down as he was still working the room.
>
>You could tell he was really enjoying himself. It wasn't just a photo
>opportunity. This man was actually enjoying himself! He worked his way
>over the course of about 90 minutes towards my side of the room.
>Meanwhile, I took the opportunity to shake a few hands. I got a picture
>with Ambassador Bremer, Talabani (acting Iraqi president) and Achmed
>Chalabi (another member of the ruling council) and Condaleeza Rice, who
>was there with him.
>
>I felt like I was drunk. He was getting closer to my table so I went
>back over to my seat. As he passed and posed for photos, he looked m e
>in the eye and said "How you doin', captain." I smiled and said "God
>bless you, sir." To which he responded "I'm proud of what you do,
>captain." Then moved on.

As I said up above, cj, like you, I am tired of the apologists on this board.

And as I also said: Especially the ones who are apologists for the moron in chief.

You wrote;



In order for me to "can't stand the fact that he is doing a great job" -- he would have to actually be doing a great job.

The guy is a moron -- and he cannot even read a speech written for him with any real feeling.

I am not even remotely worried about falling into the trap of being angry because of him doing a great job -- something you obviously have done with Bill Clinton -- because I doubt seriously if Bush can ever measure up to that standard.




Egad. Can't you poor saps get through anything without bringing Bill and Hillary into the discussion.?

Boy, Bill Clinton sure frosted your asses by being elected and re-elected.

But even a child should eventually be able to get over a disappointment -- or at least have the common sense to hide their petulance.

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Cj. It was undoubtedly a public relations coup, well staged and dramatic event, one that gave the poor troops present a good shot of something. I'm glad he went.
What's your point? Are you saying that this and landing on the carrier in full drag qualify this lacky of the neocoms to lead the most powerful nation in the world? I gag at your inevitable answer.

I am glad Saddam was caught. I believe it's the real guy. I would like to see him executed.

That does not change the fact that Bush is a f**king idiot and a criminal himself... IMO.

Well, by ignoring the perils of the world, and riding the coattails of a raging economy fueled by wild speculation and the timely invention of a new technology, the Web, which sat on the back of the Internet which was of course invented by Al Gore, it is easy to see how he got reelected.

As far as Bush being qualified to run the country, he certainly isn't any less qualified than a sexual predator who actually brought that problem with him into the Whitehouse. Bush has had his problems, but he checked them at the door.

By the way, I'll bet the details of the WMD's start coming out soon. All of you Saddam apologists will be eating crow. I'll provide soy sauce and it'll taste just like chicken, I promise.

Yeah, with Clinton, it always is "riding the coattails of a raging economy fueled by wild speculation and..." to the conservatives.

But Reagan, who presided over an increase in the national debt from 1 trillion dollars to 4 trillion dollars, is considered by you guys to be an economic miracle worker.

cj, you and your fellow travellers are so laughable, you really should consider charging admission to your threads and comments.





Actually, he is, you know.

Much less qualified.

In fact, he is one of the least qualified people I could imagine being proposed for the job.

He is a moron who honestly makes anyone with a brain uncomfortable doing something as easy as reading a goddam speech that has been written for him.

The guy reminds me of Strom Thurmond when Strom was having a bad day.




I'm not interested in problems -- I'm interested in brains. Don't know where Bush checked his, but he sure as hell didn't bring them to the Oval Office.





Yeah sure. You are all that positive we've finally got them planted???

I am not a fan of George Bush. I also have no doubt that the Saddam they have is Saddam himself.

Just another question, because I honestly don't know anything about how they propose to handle it and what might cause things to change:

Individual asked - what do we do with him? I don't think this is an issue. I've also heard reports that the UN opposes Saddam going before any council that would give him the death penalty. Isn't this out of their hands? I thought we would question him, etc. then he gets turned over to the Iraqi system. Being an Iraqi oppressor for 35 years, how could the Iraqi people bow to the UNs wishes, and who would expect them too?

Isn't the question, what will the Iraqis do with him?

Again, I have no real experience or knowledge of such international policies or understanding of the possibilities, so I'm thinking aloud here.

The US wants to try him in Iraq rather than international court. Under the guise of giving Iraq "closure" and setting them on the path towards independence GWB's real motive is that if he is tried by an iraqi court they can execute him, and the most international court will give him is life in prison. George wants him dead and will do all he can, pull as many strings, cajole, threaten, whatever behind the scenes to see it happen , while putting on his altruistic face for the world and his own people, who by the way are the only ones gullible enough to go for his pr bullshit more's the pity.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm for executing Saddam, but can you imagine how ballistic George would go if the Iraqis decided in court that they couldn't make any charges stick and let him go?

My God, that would be hilarious in a perverse way.

Well, that's the other thing. Am I correct in saying that a lot of the people that have been placed in power in Iraq during the reconstruction are some of the same people that served Saddam? How large is the possibility that there are enough of them to let him walk, or worse, forgive?

I just see the problem of bringing him before any council to be incredibly problematic. We hunted him, but the Iraqis are the ones he commited crimes against, and of course the UN wants to put their mitts all over it now that the dirty work is done, and yet.....is there any true solution? Meaning - who will actually represent the Iraqi people who (in my opinion) should decide his fate? Certainly the people in power in Iraq may not have the feelings of the people in heart - or maybe the Iraqi people aren't as thirsty to see him go as we think.

Again, thinking the questions aloud because I honestly don't know.. It's dangerous in there....

Payments can be sent to the following address:

Ted Nugent Kamp for Kids
6420 Cowell
Brighton, Mich. 48116

By the way, Kofi Anonymous and the socialist U.N. "does not support the death penalty".

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BiPolar, are you in a manic state right now? Your sense of humor is too much. On the other hand, wouldn't it be a wonderful revenge against the U.S. "colonists" for an Iraqui court to let Saddam go? They would have to be convinced that he could not return to power, and they would have to keep in mind that the Americans have helped keep him power for decades. On the other hand, wouldn't it be a wonderful retaliation for the Americans to put Saddam back in power once the Iraquis free him?
My god, it IS fun to be ridiculous. Now I see what Cjhsa gets out of it.

re Ted Nugent I've said it before but I'll repeat...I find it interesting that Ted is so pro war and gutsy now that he's too old to serve, but in the VietNam conflict, he was not in uniform...he was running around in a loin cloth singing about pussy.

Kinda screws around with his credibility IMO.