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In 2008.....

 
 
Fido
 
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Reply Sat 20 Nov, 2010 08:38 am
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:

At least wall Street was on their asses with the Abacus scandal and the meltdown. The loss of House Majority shows bad political strategy and planning.
Politics is unlike war where the advantage usually rests with defense... Politics is about attack, and the moment you have to defend you have already lost... In politics there is only attack and counter attack...
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rabel22
 
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Reply Sat 20 Nov, 2010 01:18 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
This is a bunch of bs. Obama couldent hold his party together like the bush government did. he was more interested in comeing to gather while the republicans were trying to destroy him. Untill the stupid bastard grows some balls he isent going to get anything done and dont point at the medical plan because thats where he let the conseratives ruin his plan. Its nothing but a money machine for the health and drug companies. At least Hillery has balls.
talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 20 Nov, 2010 01:50 pm
@failures art,
I don';t want to diss Obama too much as it would be foolish to change horses in midstream. I hope he learned from the situation and focus on fewer things and do them well instead of doing more things and compromise which turns out like crap turning off everyone. Focus on the economy till 2012. No more fancy stuff just the basics and a lot of communication like Raygun.
failures art
 
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Reply Sat 20 Nov, 2010 07:16 pm
@talk72000,
We definitely agree that Obama's focus needs to be on the economy and (for lack of a better word) "easier" stuff.

I'll forecast right now that the GOP will plan to obstruct any budget he puts forth. Obama should preemptively play hardball by making sure lots of funding goes to programs that enforce legislation such as the Violence Against Women Act (can't remember the proper name), so when the GOP inevitably stonewalls, the White House will be able to shame them until they pass it and get out of the way. The Dems need to play firm and shame the GOP for their childish tactics.

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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2010 12:10 pm
In the next two years the focus will be destroying Obama. Period. Shame on the republicans for doing that while the country suffers.

In the next two years Obama will continue to spread his cheeks and let the repubs stick it in. Shame on him for allowing that while the country suffers.

In 2012, we will elect another one same as the other one based on emotion and the desire to keep the party going without the tab coming to the table. Shame on us for allowing ourselves to be manipulated year after year while the country suffers.
Fido
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2010 02:00 pm
@rabel22,
rabel22 wrote:

This is a bunch of bs. Obama couldent hold his party together like the bush government did. he was more interested in comeing to gather while the republicans were trying to destroy him. Untill the stupid bastard grows some balls he isent going to get anything done and dont point at the medical plan because thats where he let the conseratives ruin his plan. Its nothing but a money machine for the health and drug companies. At least Hillery has balls.
You should consider the term: Thick as Thieves... It is easier to keep the unity of a gang of murderers than a convent of saints... Good can be done anywhere, focused any where, and is a thousand different directions at once...Most people are republicans for the reason most people are Christian: Out of a deep malignancy of the spirit... Evil as a human activity is a single purpose, and that purpose passes for honor among the evil: a common self interest... The repbulicans are held together by their desire to hold the commonwealth and prevent it from once again becoming part of the commonwealth... That is their fight against taxes, to deny the government and society their just support and call their property free and clear... Property is never free and clear, but if the rich will not pay taxes, then the poor must, until they can no longer, and then they will be what they are in fact now, the property of the rich... So; don't blame the republicans, nor the democrats... At the top there is no difference... If you want to turn a democrat into a republican: Elect him...
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rabel22
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2010 09:49 pm
@blueveinedthrobber,
right you are. The people get the kind of government they deserve. As long as they continue to send thieves to washington we will all continue to be screwed.
Fido
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2010 10:52 pm
@rabel22,
rabel22 wrote:

right you are. The people get the kind of government they deserve. As long as they continue to send thieves to washington we will all continue to be screwed.
Not at all true... Government is a form of relationship... So is marriage... So is a job... So is slavery... Not all relationships are equal... Some marriages, for example evolve, and some were never genuine to begin with... To say some one trapped in a bad marriage deserves it, is a lie... If it is all they have known, or if sociatal norms hold them, or hope, or the illusion of love; then how are they to blame... We have all grown up with the government... It is older than us, in a sense, immortal, and it comes highly sold, as some measure of perfection; but it is far from that... We love the government but hate our neighbors when we should hate our government and love our neighbors...

The general difference between republicans and democrats is that republicans have something and fear to lose it supporting all who have been cut out of their part of the commonwealth... Sure, they are jerks, and real assholes... And supporting the repubs is not going to save them from the rich, or keep them from becoming a poor democrat... Danial Deleon, a socialist leader said the the middle class will become socialist when the sheriff sells them out... By then, it is too late... The middle class, the republican feed bag may simply be too stupid to realize they are feeding their enemy..
rabel22
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2010 11:48 pm
@Fido,
Stupid voters works for me. Now how do we educate them with the supreme court claiming corporations are people?
roger
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2010 01:39 am
@rabel22,
When?
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Fido
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2010 06:26 am
@rabel22,
rabel22 wrote:

Stupid voters works for me. Now how do we educate them with the supreme court claiming corporations are people?
The entire history of humanity is the story of changing forms... Clearly, those who wrote the declaration of independence had formal consciousness, and the word is used to describe what occurs when people change the social form of government...

Revolution does not have to be violent... They are made violent by those with power resisting change, but change is inevitable, and the advantage goes to those who attempt change knowing full well what they hope to accomplish... We only need to know what we can do, what is always done to achieve human progress, and learn the vocabulary, and the consciousness of forms..

Every form is a form of relationship... It is the terrible condition of our relationships with our fellow citizens which should be the first cue that the form is a failure.. Good forms feed the relationship, and bad forms bleed the relationship... Our forms of government, and economy are killing us, and laying bare our jugulars... If we do not change them, they will kill us...

The most simple advice is the one already being taken... Form new relationships... Talk about the problems and possible solution... When we quit looking to the government to solve our problems and quit feeding it with respect, it will die.. And yes; it may hurt us, but it will die if we withdraw our faith... What a marriage is without faith a government is: D E A D...
rabel22
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2010 07:54 am
@Fido,
There wont be any change. How can there be when your voteing choices are between 2 millionares weather you are voteing at the county, state or federal level. When the supreme court made big business "people" they gave to big business total control of our government over which they already had partial controll.
Fido
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2010 09:04 pm
@rabel22,
rabel22 wrote:

There wont be any change. How can there be when your voteing choices are between 2 millionares weather you are voteing at the county, state or federal level. When the supreme court made big business "people" they gave to big business total control of our government over which they already had partial controll.
Short of some catastrophic breakdown, some war, disease, disaster, or a failure of the monatary system, no change will be possible... Banktuptcy is the usual cause of revolution, but so long as they can juggle the dollar and give it any meaning they wish, there is no danger of that... Some day we may have to answer the question: What if there is a war and we can't afford to go??? What will we not live without so that we can fight people we don't even know???
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