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Violence and Hatred and our acceptance of it...

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 05:44 pm
@BillRM,
If your paranoia makes you feel better, knock yourself out. You question the loyalty of Japanese-Americans. Apparently, you've never heard of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team/100th Infantry Battalion. It was the most decorated unit in the history of the United States armed forces. That included more than 20 citations for the Congressional Medal of Honor. It was comprised of Japanese-Americans. Yet you want to question the loyalty of those people. What a clown.

The invasions of Attu and Kiska constituted a military operation intended to be a long-range tactical diversion for the Midway operation. As it happens, the ONI had broken the base code method for the Japanese Imperial Navy, and was able to decipher coded messages within days of a change to a new code. We had also broken the Japanese diplomatic code. So the diversion didn't work. Even if we hadn't had that advantage, the threat posed by the invasion of two small islands hundreds of miles from the nearest military base was so negligible as to have been laughable.

The Al-Can highway was planned even before the Japanese attacked Hawaii. FDR approved the project in February, 1942, almost four months before the Japanese invaded Attu. Once again, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 05:47 pm
@Ceili,
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****.. do we really need you trolls.


So you are name calling anyone who would dare to question your equaling the death camps of the Nazis that kill 6 millions or so men women and children with the relocation camps for the Japanese Americans?

Troll indeed…………….

Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 05:52 pm
@BillRM,
No, actually I have you on ignore for this same typical bullshit. No go somewhere else and stop polluting this thread with your asinine revisionist history. You are a mirror of why I started this thread. You are a hateful person and I'm not interested in your unintelligible crap.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 06:01 pm
@Setanta,
Where did I stated that the Japanese American population did not in fact prove to be surprising loyal especially in view of how poorly we had treated them for a hundred years of so?

You seem to think that the planners and the decisions makers of the time should all had have crystal balls and therefore had known that a population that was treated so badly would prove so loyal!!

The highway was planned ahead for the very reason that we was rightfully worry about defending Alaska before the start of the war as it did not take a crystal ball to see that a war with the Empire of Japan was coming.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 06:04 pm
@Ceili,
Once more please explain how the killing of 6 millions in death camps is the same as moving a population into relocation camps as unfair as that might be.

Something that was imply by your placing both events in the same sentence in my opinion side by side.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 06:15 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Where did I stated that the Japanese American population did not in fact prove to be surprising loyal especially in view of how poorly we had treated them for a hundred years of so?


This is rather incoherent, which is not unusual for you. I didn't claim that you stated that, and if you had, i would not have assumed that you were questioning the loyalty of Japanese-Americans. You did, however write this:

BillRM wrote:
Second are you claiming that we should just had assume that a population we had indeed not treated fairly would still be loyal to us?


That sure looks to me as though you were questioning their loyalty. As for any bullshit about crystal balls, long before the Japanese had invaded Attu, the Japanese-Americans in Hawaii who had been in the Guard in Hawaii had volunteered to fight for the United States

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The highway was planned ahead for the very reason that we was rightfully worry about defending Alaska before the start of the war as it did not take a crystal ball to see that a war with the Empire of Japan was coming.


Were--we were. It would be refreshing to see you post in coherent English for a change. In fact, Congress authorized the construction of Fort Richardson, an Army Air Force base, near Anchorage in May, 1940, in response to the German air attack on Rotterdam. Certainly they had Japan in mind; that doesn't mean that anyone knowledgeable seriously considered a Japanese invasion in force to be likely. The highway was to be built to supply Fort Richardson, bright boy. The perceived threat was Japanese naval aviation.

Ceili is right, you're a troll. And an inarticulate, ignorant troll at that. To wrap it all up, you can't even keep a logical chain of thought. You tried to claim that the internment camps were a product of reasonable fears of a Japanese invasion, and not a racist response to public hysteria. And yet now, to attempt feebly to support your laughable argument, you stipulate that we had treated the Japanese badly for a hundred years. You can't keep these things straight in your mind, can you?
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 06:30 pm
By the way, bright boy, you display your ignorance again. A hundred yeas before the attack on Hawaii, i seriously doubt that there were very many Japanese in California, if there were any at all. In the first place, in 1841, California was still a part of Mexico, and there was nothing there to have attracted immigrants. Even if there had been, in the second place, Japan in 1841 was under the control of the Meiji, it was closed to the West, and even if Japanese had wanted, for god knows what reason, to go to California, they would have had no way to get there. As i said earlier, you just make this **** up.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 06:32 pm
@Setanta,
He may be mistaking the Chinese rail workers for Japanese.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 06:34 pm
@edgarblythe,
That would be part and parcel of his ignorance, surely. Of course, in 1841, there were no railroads in California, either--but to Bill, things like that are minor details.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 06:44 pm
@Setanta,
I hadn't read enough of the thread to know the year in question - just playing on what I have seen from this poster in past times.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 06:45 pm
@Setanta,
You are hundred percent right we always should assume the very worst motivations for actions taken, without the benefits of our future knowledge, by our ancestors.

Labeling an action racist only should never be allow to be question or challenge and the lady is also correct there is no problem with creating a sentence with the Nazis death camps and the moving of a population into relocation camps side by side.

For myself the only thing that is unforgivable in moving the Japanese Americans away from the West Coast during WW2 is that they should all had been made financially whole right after the war instead of just granting a token payments to the survivors well over a generation later.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 06:51 pm
Well, there's your typical incoherence. I neither know nor care what it is that you are attempting to say. As for what any lady may have said, that's nothing to do with me. I said they were interned for racist reasons, and not only have you failed to make any other case, you have even stipulated that Japanese-Americans were badly treated before the war. Why do think that was so? You can neither write coherently in English, nor frame and maintain a coherent argument.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 06:53 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
He may be mistaking the Chinese rail workers for Japanese
.

You are correct I was thinking for some reason of the labor force of Chinese imported to work on the transcontinental railroad project in the 1860s or so.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 06:57 pm
@Setanta,
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Of course, in 1841, there were no railroads in California, either--but to Bill, things like that are minor details.


Lord a hundred years was a rough figure of speak not an exact dating of anything!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 07:01 pm
If you're going to argue history with people who are not completely ignorant (which i often think describes you), you have to do better than rough figures of speech.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 07:02 pm
@Ceili,
Quote:
****.. do we really need you trolls.
As trolls on this forum are anyone you disagree with, what say you enlighten us and tell us who the trolls are ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 07:05 pm
@Ceili,
Quote:
I have you on ignore
same typical bullshit
go somewhere else
stop polluting this thread
your asinine revisionist history
You are a mirror of why I started this thread (Violence and Hatred and our acceptance of it...)
You are a hateful person
I'm not interested
your unintelligible crap

Ahhh...cant you just feel the love ??
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Eorl
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 07:11 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:

****.. do we really need you trolls.


Ironically enough, I think the answer is right there. Will we ever learn? No, it's not in our nature. It's not in nature's nature. I think it's incredible and laudable that we've managed to get as far as we have, even with horrific aberrations like Nazism. It could be argued that the Final Solution was a response to the question "****.. do we really need you trolls"
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 07:13 pm
@Setanta,
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If you're going to argue history with people who are not completely ignorant (which i often think describes you), you have to do better than rough figures of speech.


Why other then for your game playing how does it matter if a people had been around for a hundred years instead of 80 years by the 1940s?
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 07:15 pm
@BillRM,
Because it's a measure of how much you actually know about the subject, which appears to be not very damned much. It's not game playing. I made a claim, you disputed it, and in the course of failing to successfully challenge my claim, you spouted no end of bullshit--and this is just one example of that.
 

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