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Should able2know ban people for having untoward opinions?

 
 
Intrepid
 
  1  
Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:06 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
The simple answer to that is for you to stop posting false information with no facts but your own sordid opinion. You have never been able to provide factual supporting evidence for anything that you have challenged.


My my non of the links to scientific studies I had posted here work for you?


Blogs and personal opinions do not constitute scientific studies!
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Robert Gentel
 
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Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:07 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
OCCOM BILL wrote:
This was Robert's intent when he framed the question. He certainly didn't want anyone thinking about a brutal verbal assault on a senior citizen for bravely sharing a painful event. (Actual examples are just appeals to pity, you see.)


Bill I don't know if you know this or not but you never reported any such actual examples to me. Nor did anyone else. But you started calling hawkeye a rapist and asking for him to be banned without such a scenario, and purely on the basis of your claim that he "supports rape" so no, my intent is not to reference this specific situation at all. You have been barking up this tree for months and have wanted people banned for merely having positions you find disgusting (e.g. agrote, who you would also argue should kill himself).

If you have an example of a "brutal verbal assault on a senior citizen for bravely sharing a painful event" then that may well represent a qualm with behavior and not just opinion that you can argue for and you should feel free to report or cite these examples you talk about, but what I am discussing is your crusade that started many months prior to this where you have been nagging me to ban people solely on the basis of their positions, and not how they interact with the community.

You did start pestering me to ban people like "shorteyes" purely on the basis of him being "deranged", in your words, and it is this tired old argument that I want laid to rest here, not the latest manifestation of it with BillRM. You've been demanding we ban people like that for a long time, purely on the basis of the positions they hold.
BillRM
 
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Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:09 pm
@Intrepid,
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To which you freely admitted that it was true and even bragged about having TOR software to cover your tracks.


Please please find the post where I stated I had child porn on my computer!!!!!

I did stated somewhere along the line that I had adult repeat adult porn collection on my computer and even stated that one of my concerns is that out of a few thousands picture/video somone in them could be 17 and not 18 years old but once more fool I never stated that I had a child porn collection on my computer.
ossobuco
 
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Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:11 pm
@tsarstepan,
I think I wouldn't mind that that thread lives - there is useful information in there though somewhat buried - or dies a natural death, and a curated forum for the subject(s) happened. Although, with all the sturm et drang, it's an interesting thread as itself. So, I don't want to napalm it.
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Intrepid
 
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Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:12 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
To which you freely admitted that it was true and even bragged about having TOR software to cover your tracks.


Please please find the post where I stated I had child porn on my computer!!!!!

I did stated somewhere along the line that I had adult repeat adult porn collection on my computer and even stated that one of my concerns is that out of a few thousands picture somone in them could be 17 and not 18 year old but once more fool I never stated that I had a child porn collection on my computer.


You flood the thread with hundreds and hundreds of posts and you want me to show you the specific post.

BTW-----17 years old would be considered child porn. Whether it was one pic or 500.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:12 pm
@msolga,
I think threaded conversations may well be a silver bullet, and I am the type to be the first to caution against thinking there is a technological silver bullet.
tsarstepan
 
  1  
Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:18 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Weren't there high tech controllable bullets used in the 1984 Tom Selleck science fiction/police procedural Runaway?
http://www.soundofmusic.se/pictures/runaway_soundtrack.jpg
engineer
 
  7  
Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:23 pm
@Robert Gentel,
No, the ignore function takes care of that issue on a person by person basis. There are those who do not use that function for personal reasons, but in deciding that, they decide to tolerate all opinions.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:27 pm
@tsarstepan,
Damn it stop changing the subject and damn I do not know if I going to go to see that movie or not.

I was a railroad employee for a numbers of years in my younger days and I just know the story will drive me crazy as in what the hell happen to the death man switch that would not allow a train to take off by itself.

Why could you not just used a shotgun on the air holes line as it went by and place the train in full stop and................
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edgarblythe
 
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Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:28 pm
@Robert Gentel,
If it were ever put to a vote, I would be against threaded conversations.
Robert Gentel
 
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Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:32 pm
@BillRM,
If you think you are ignoring him you are doing it wrong.
Robert Gentel
 
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Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:34 pm
@edgarblythe,
It is a big enough interface change that if implemented there would likely be a way to keep linear, non-threaded view for those who prefer it. In that scenario you don't oppose it, right?
edgarblythe
 
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Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:37 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Right.
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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:43 pm
@Robert Gentel,
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Seriously supporting rape, crime or violence on able2know is something that I will not host and that is not up for discussion. If someone comes here and advocates rape the content will be removed and they will be banned. We are talking about opinions that can be construed that way with a bit of hyperbole.
So far you have been willing to tolerate me saying that in the interest of collective health the definition of rape should be changed, that we should change our whole approach to dealing with sexual transgression. I however have never said that currently laws should not be followed until such time as we can get them changed.
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dlowan
 
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Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:51 pm
@Butrflynet,
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I haven't read most of the thread where this has most recently been raised.

However, it seems to me (I could be wrong) is that the nubbin of the argument that a number of people there are trying to get to is that the expression of the "untoward opinions" becomes abusive and harassing in its nature at times either because of how the opinions are expressed or the multiple numbers of times they are expressed.


I know this is not answering the question you are asking, so feel free to ignore this post, however while it may not reflect O'Bill's beliefs, I think it is more, perhaps, what is going on when people ask for removal of posts or banning.








joefromchicago
 
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Mon 25 Oct, 2010 09:52 pm
Should able2know ban people for having untoward opinions?

Sorta'.

I don't have a problem with the bozos in the rape thread, except that they give a bad name to bozos. That thread is a trainwreck largely because of all the people who insist on interacting with the very individuals that they want to see banned. Seems rather ironic to me, and not in an Alannis Morissette "black-fly-in-your-Chardonnay" kind of way. I abandoned that thread a long time ago.

I am, however, reminded of the Troll Who Shall Not be Named. He of a thousand-and-one identities. The Poster Informally Known as Possum. I'm not sure if it's his opinion that's the problem -- he generally just uses the forum as a convenient means to attack people and disrupt threads. Does that constitute an "opinion," or is that more like behavior than speech? I don't know, and I really don't care. If there's an exception for banning posters like him, I'm all in favor of it.
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joefromchicago
 
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Mon 25 Oct, 2010 10:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
You might not have heard, but your kind is not very well liked these days....

On the contrary. I hear that all the time.
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Brandon9000
 
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Mon 25 Oct, 2010 10:02 pm
No one should be banned for expressing opinions, no matter how repugnant. Freedom of speech doesn't mean, "I should be able to say what I want because I'm right."

The exceptions would be:

1. Very severe flaming, very severe bullying, or very severe profanity
2. Libel
3. Invocations to imminent violence.
 

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