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Should able2know ban people for having untoward opinions?

 
 
djjd62
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 01:35 pm
@Butrflynet,
sorry, i just don't think that words typed on a screen by anonymous assholes (myself included at times) should have any impact on ones life

but in that thread specifically, AM and Firefly (two folks i quite like), kept engaging them and responding, lunacy, if you get hurt at that point, you must start to portion the blame

responses made to a post about a personal incident were reprehensible, but given the mood of that thread at that point, it seemed sure to head straight for disaster
roger
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 01:36 pm
@Lash,
I congradulate you, Lash. Or are you just pretending to understand what he wrote?
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DrewDad
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 01:38 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

DrewDad wrote:
The ignore function works; cjhsa doesn't come around anymore.


You genuinely believe that's why he's gone? I don't know . . . it is possible that he's got a life and is now living it.

Possible, yes, but then we're talking about cjhsa... so I think it unlikely.
Gypsydancer
 
  -1  
Tue 26 Oct, 2010 01:38 pm
@Butrflynet,
Butrflynet,
May I suggest you close your eyes when reading posts by djjd62? That might help.
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Butrflynet
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 01:40 pm
@djjd62,
Exactly the point I was making. No apology needed.

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Butrflynet
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 01:41 pm
@Butrflynet,
Butrflynet wrote:

Damn it, djjd, I'm ignoring you! How am I supposed to confront your wrong-headed opinions while ignoring you? If I ignore you then I won't be able to tell everyone how wrong you are! Why do you keep responding to my attempts at ignoring you? You keep making me respond to what I'm trying to ignore! I've had enough, now I'm really ignoring you so don't you attempt to respond to me or I'll have to tell you again that I'm ignoring you.



For those who don't recognize it, this was satire... Rolling Eyes
djjd62
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 01:41 pm
@Butrflynet,
Embarrassed
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ehBeth
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 02:14 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
Doesn't matter if it's 'cool' or not 'cool'.

It's their right to post, and the right of other board members to respond/ignore/thumb up/thumb down.


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What I would like to see, if it came to banning, was anyone who could be determined to be running sock puppets (other than Penny's current handler). Straight out permanent banning - with the user name blocked in perpetuity.

I think it's more disrespectful to the board and administrators to misuse resources here than to post idiocies - because we all have quite different views of where the idiocy line is drawn.
ehBeth
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 02:16 pm
@DrewDad,
Perfect example. I consider cjhsa a friend of sorts, worry about how he's doing.

He'd be a keeper on my list of idiots, where other more popular posters would be on the dump side of my list of idiots.
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fbaezer
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 02:23 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Always interested in fbaezer's opinions. I wonder, fbaezer, if you could share any ideas about rules that should be changed to improve the site.

I remember when bannings and Time Outs were being doled out - and it seemed so subjective to me. Putting myself in the place of one who would have to make that judgment call... it's NOT a responsibility I'd want. You may say for instance that profanity is an easy thing to see...and ban for that, while some crafty wordsmith can get away with delivering a much more witheringly personal insult with "approved" language... Then, who judges that? Does your personal agreement with the insulting sentiment blur your fairness? Does the political opinion of an offender move them a bit forward on the conveyor belt to limbo? Do you PM your friend to edit a remark?

Laughing... I remember once upon a time when I was staying on the right side of the laws as they were... Moderator Blatham threatened (strong word, but accurate - that silly mountie) to ban me for my "tone." Needless to say, he didn't agree with my views...

I think the law should be the guide. No direct threats, no whipping up the crowd in support of hate crimes...and whatever else is black and white and written down somewhere.

Anything beyond that is stepping into slippery territory.


I agree with you, but still somebody has to judge on that basis.
I don't think anybody would like to have that responsability, but some one has to.

Once upon a time there was an excess of moderators, because very little motivation was needed for them to participate, so the filter -as your example with good ol' Bernie shows- was too lax. Now there is objectively none. There should be.
I am glad there is some looking for consensus here, as a social network. But, as a business and as an organization -or at least as a site that wants to grow, mature, and be self-sufficient-, there should be hierarchies. with some sort of a centralized authority.
he absence of central authority, the unchecked autonomy of rival groups, and the inability to arbitrate quarrels through formal mechanisms.
I am for democracy and discussion, but the absence of a central authority, the unchecked autonomy of rival groups, and the inability to arbitrate quarrels through formal mechanisms is a death warrant to any social organization other than a loose group of acquantainces with no purpose.
I don't really know what is A2K, but certainly is drifting away from what I preferred, so I think other revamping should be done. I miss the "liberal" and "conservative" groups, for example. And I wouldn't mind that, besides a "general", almost unchecked forum, classified ones would coexist.
The complexity and time-consuming of it all is one of the reasons I didn't build a sort of mirror site in Spanish.
BillRM
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 02:34 pm
@firefly,

Quote:
I never said you had a child pornography collection. Stop accusing me of things I never said.


So my friend you are hoping that I can not find your post. LOL
Pepijn Sweep
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 03:13 pm
@BillRM,
KNOWING Smile
Green Witch
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 03:15 pm
@Pepijn Sweep,
It was not your "untoward opinions" that got you banned, Pepijin. It's your inability to stay sober while posting or as you always like to point out: Drunk
OCCOM BILL
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 03:40 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Doesn't matter if it's 'cool' or not 'cool'.

It's their right to post, and the right of other board members to respond/ignore/thumb up/thumb down.
I'm well aware of the status quo, Beth, but it is not "their right to post", rather it is their privilege. This privilege is granted by Robert, at his discretion alone. He claims that he will not use his gut instinct, because it wouldn't scale well, but this is simply not true or it would be impossible to reconcile his claims with his actions/inactions.

How could one reconcile these two posts, for instance?
Robert Gentel wrote:
Seriously supporting rape, crime or violence on able2know is something that I will not host and that is not up for discussion. If someone comes here and advocates rape the content will be removed and they will be banned. We are talking about opinions that can be construed that way with a bit of hyperbole.


Robert Gentel wrote:

Oh I don't think he's in favor of rape either (I do think he's a misogynist though). His problem is that he'll occasionally make a statement that is inordinately inclusive of what he says shouldn't be called rape. Like when he says something like how spousal rape should never be considered rape. That is inclusive of as brutal a rape as is possible but he also doesn't like backing down from anything he says, so he'd rather stick with a pro-rape rap and wear the mantle of unpopularity like vindication than moderate his extremes and retract a brainfart.
Clearly, he recognizes Shorteyes' deliberate advocacy of rape, but chooses to cater to him anyway, based on his gut instinct alone.


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ehBeth wrote:
What I would like to see, if it came to banning, was anyone who could be determined to be running sock puppets (other than Penny's current handler). Straight out permanent banning - with the user name blocked in perpetuity.

I think it's more disrespectful to the board and administrators to misuse resources here than to post idiocies - because we all have quite different views of where the idiocy line is drawn.
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, Beth. Though I do not agree that offense trumps misogynistic trolling for sport; I’d prefer there be no sock puppets too, which is why I hit the report button when I saw evidence of them. I can’t say I was thrilled to read the most popular posts I’ve ever made were the result of puppets, as it didn’t suck to think my views were being that well received for a change. <Shrugs>

If Robert is correct about the responsible party being Brooklyn, then I think your rule would result in the site losing a very valuable, respected and much loved member, who apparently had had enough of the demented trolls and took it upon herself to change the status quo. I don’t know; you’d have to ask her.

It would affect me not at all, as I’ve never had a second account, and Brooklyn and I haven’t relied on A2K as a contact point since the interruption of PMs (so if that’s your intended path, it’s a dead end)

The good news is; your rule would most certainly disappear RM and his idiocy forever, because compared to that illiterate fool, the possum is a master of disguise. Community-wide, your proposed rule could prove to be a net benefit, because Brooklyn’s never had the time to post enough to counter the negative value of RM’s incessant display of demented idiocy.
Intrepid
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 03:55 pm
@Butrflynet,
Doing impressions?


Laughing
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 03:57 pm
@Green Witch,
Mr. Green

Hello Green Witch <!> X

My name is Pepijn, not Pepijin...

Today I am not Drunk
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Lash
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 04:09 pm
@Butrflynet,
Hilarious! Brava!
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High Seas
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 04:11 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Lash wrote:
You must have misread my post. I agree that judgment is a wavy thing and not to be relied on.
So, I advocate following the black and white laws of internet use to the letter.

I'd feel ok banning for these:

"Bob, I'm coming to Fresno to punch you in the face."
"Hey, let's set fire to the Federal Building Thursday."
"I wish the Samoans were extinct. Every ******* Samoan I've ever known is a waste of flesh." (wait, I'm not sure this is illegal...)"These are my sexiest pics of child porn. Feel free to download them."

I join in your doubt qua the 3rd one; he only identifies his wish and his experiences.[/b]
David

Bold added.
Anybody can wish anything on any internet forum or other mediums of exchange. Savonarola disciples, Taliban sympathisers, gun banners. and assorted other repulsively interfering alleged do-gooders - cease and desist, i.e. stop harassing others for their opinions - it's the LAW!
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Thomas
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 04:11 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
Occom Bill wrote:
My not too infrequent calls for rape-advocates to kill themselves for the good of society, usually submitted in a heated exchange. As understandably repugnant as that is to many a member; would it not be more so if I directed such a hateful statement at a teenager pouring his heart out on a depression thread? Is there no difference?

No difference. Your **** stinks just as bad to me as theirs. Of course, judgments like this are in the nose of the beholder. But I'm the person you happen to have asked.

Occom Bill wrote:
Likewise, is there no difference between Shorteyes spewing his demented misogyny on the thread he established to display it, than there is when he shows up on an abuse thread and does the same?

Makes no difference to me. In either context, whenever he annoys me too much, I'll put him on "ignore". I've done it in the past, and may do it in the future. Works wonders!

Occom Bill wrote:
Is it cool to tell a recently abused woman that there’s no such thing as marital rape?

That's not the question for this thread. The question is whether it's uncool enough to merit eviction from A2K. The owner of the site thinks it doesn't--and I agree with him. If you want to police an online community, start up your own community.

PS: Just out of curiosity, how do you respond to Butrflynet's point that BBB, her mother, never asked for your protection, and that she doesn't appreciate your assuming the mantle of her knight in shining armor? When moralizing, there is such a thing as "none of your business". How is the protection of people who don't want to be protected any of your business?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Tue 26 Oct, 2010 04:17 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
OCCOM BILL wrote:

ehBeth wrote:

Doesn't matter if it's 'cool' or not 'cool'.

It's their right to post, and the right of other board members to respond/ignore/thumb up/thumb down.
I'm well aware of the status quo, Beth, but it is not "their right to post", rather it is their privilege. This privilege is granted by Robert, at his discretion alone. He claims that he will not use his gut instinct, because it wouldn't scale well, but this is simply not true or it would be impossible to reconcile his claims with his actions/inactions.

How could one reconcile these two posts, for instance?
Robert Gentel wrote:
Seriously supporting rape, crime or violence on able2know is something that I will not host and that is not up for discussion. If someone comes here and advocates rape the content will be removed and they will be banned. We are talking about opinions that can be construed that way with a bit of hyperbole.


Robert Gentel wrote:

Oh I don't think he's in favor of rape either (I do think he's a misogynist though). His problem is that he'll occasionally make a statement that is inordinately inclusive of what he says shouldn't be called rape. Like when he says something like how spousal rape should never be considered rape. That is inclusive of as brutal a rape as is possible but he also doesn't like backing down from anything he says, so he'd rather stick with a pro-rape rap and wear the mantle of unpopularity like vindication than moderate his extremes and retract a brainfart.
Clearly, he recognizes Shorteyes' deliberate advocacy of rape, but chooses to cater to him anyway,
based on his gut instinct alone.
Its just a question of whether one applies the old or new statutory definition of rape.
It was true for eons, in NY, and I 'm sure thru out America, that it was legally impossible to rape your own wife.
That was explicitly written into the statute.
(Obviously, a wife was still protected by the criminal assault laws for injuries suffered, but not as rape.)

That later got swept away by political correctness, led by a demented disgraced liberal judge.
The new definition deleted the marital exception.

It is not unreasonable for people to discuss, compare n contrast
the alternate concepts of rape.





David
 

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