cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 08:29 pm
@guigus,
We must've had different teachers, but that was so long ago...
guigus
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 08:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

We must've had different teachers, but that was so long ago...


It would certainly have helped... But let's focus on the future! It's a brand new year!
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Owen phil
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 09:01 pm
@guigus,
guigus: Tell me: how can a nonexistent mathematical operation make so many computers crash?

A nonexistent mathematical operation cannot 'do' anything at all.
Non-existent described objects do not have any properties.

Could you show the relevance of your remark?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jan, 2011 09:10 pm
@Owen phil,
Thanks for popping in, Owen phil. You know the right q's to ask.
Owen phil
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 03:46 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Owen phil, Thanks for bringing me back to where I started on this merry-go-round. I always had this intuitive belief in 0/0=0, and the way you explained it confirms that belief.

I owe you some drinks.


hahaha...I'll drink to that.

Cheers!

Owen
guigus
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 04:39 am
@Owen phil,
Owen phil wrote:

guigus: Tell me: how can a nonexistent mathematical operation make so many computers crash?

A nonexistent mathematical operation cannot 'do' anything at all.
Non-existent described objects do not have any properties.

Could you show the relevance of your remark?


The relevance of my remark is in (hopefully) showing you that, if a "nonexistent mathematical operation cannot 'do' anything at all," as indeed it cannot, then the division of zero by zero in particular and of any number by zero in general must exist, since it makes computers crash every day.
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guigus
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 04:40 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Thanks for popping in, Owen phil. You know the right q's to ask.


He makes the right questions made by others, he only does not understand them.
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guigus
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 04:41 am
@Owen phil,
Owen phil wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Owen phil, Thanks for bringing me back to where I started on this merry-go-round. I always had this intuitive belief in 0/0=0, and the way you explained it confirms that belief.

I owe you some drinks.


hahaha...I'll drink to that.

Cheers!

Owen


Don't drink too much, and don't drive until you get sober again...
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guigus
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 04:43 am
Back to basics:

If any number multiplied by zero equals zero, then zero divided by zero is any number.

The simple things are the most difficult for some people to grasp (or to accept)...
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guigus
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 04:51 am
The novelty of my point is not in the mathematical side: mathematicians know for a long time that zero divided by zero is any number. The novelty of my point is in the philosophical side, by noticing that:

1. Numbers being the same as each other become false, because their truth consists in their quantitative difference.
2. Their falsity presupposes their truth by depending on zero being different from the other numbers in its division by itself.
3. Their truth leads to their falsity through the division of zero by zero, which stays, for any particular quotient, mathematically valid, since that quotient multiplied by zero results in zero.
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prithul
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 01:32 pm
@guigus,
what u r doing is completely invalid...u cant divide 0 by 0...its not valid in math...you divide anything by 0 that will output infinite.I dont remember the exatct terminology but it is called something like undefined or....?....?.
Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 03:52 pm
@prithul,
Why not scroll back as that was already addressesd.
Indeterminate (state).
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