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BURNING KORANS IS A BAD IDEA

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 11:10 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Y ?
Because had we done this during the cartoon brouhaha it would have perfectly dove home the message that individual right to free expression is not negotiable. They can be offended all they want, this is off the table. They might not understand....BUT. THIS. IS. OFF. THE. TABLE.
Irishk
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 11:22 pm
Oh my. Deepak Chopra has written a novel, Muhammed, about the life of the Muslim prophet and put an image of him on the cover. Barnes & Noble called and asked him to reconsider, but he said no. The interviewer asked if he was concerned about having a fatwa issued, and he replied that his family is worried, but he'll deal with it if it happens.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 12:05 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
But we know about yours, you hateful bigot.
That bigot thing 's a big deal to u liberals.
It means little to me; I don 't care much,
the same way that u don 't care when some citizen 's 2nd Amendment rights r violated.



cicerone imposter wrote:
You're so ignorant, you believe the Taliban terrorists who did violence in our country are representative of all Muslims around the world.
That 's true; I am ignorant of how pervasive is the anti-American fervor among the Moslems.
From your post, presumably YOU know
what the accurate percentage of hostile Moslems is; I don 't.


cicerone imposter wrote:
You have no common sense, no logic, no knowledge of history - past and current,
and support the very ideas contrary to what our country "should" be about.
Equal rights for all that includes the freedom of religion, and equal protections under our laws.
Look, C.I., I take u for a fool, with very poor command of sound reason,
hence I will not address all of your foolish confusion,
except to note for the record that thru 9/10/1, I did not care about anyone
being a Moslem. I still don 't, except insofar as he is a security risk.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 12:13 am
@Irishk,
Irishk wrote:
Oh my. Deepak Chopra has written a novel, Muhammed, about the life of the Muslim prophet and put an image of him on the cover. Barnes & Noble called and asked him to reconsider, but he said no. The interviewer asked if he was concerned about having a fatwa issued, and he replied that his family is worried, but he'll deal with it if it happens.
I have respected him for years. I now respect his bravery.

The Moslems have put out contracts on folks like Salman Rushdie.
Thay r serious. Thay have the oil money to back it up.

The Moslems r not above lethal attacks on Barnes & Noble, either.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 12:17 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Quote:
Y ?
Because had we done this during the cartoon brouhaha it would have perfectly dove home the message that individual right to free expression is not negotiable. They can be offended all they want, this is off the table. They might not understand....BUT. THIS. IS. OFF. THE. TABLE.
It surprizes me that we can agree.

I don 't ususally agree with socialists.





David
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 12:52 am
David, you can learn about how widespread or not radical Islam is in different parts of the world by reading.... there is plenty of research and writing out there. You don't have to rely on info you've heard on TV once about what they teach in "Arabia" (wtf?)

If you're interested, study.
fresco
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 12:58 am
All that burning a particular religious book would do is to reinforce the divisive nature of religion by underscoring the us/them boundary. IMO all "Holy books" are vehicles for "word magic" for their subscribers, and to publically denigrate them is to risk releasing the chaotic forces of the irrational.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 03:37 am
@fresco,
Quote:
All that burning a particular religious book would do is to reinforce the divisive nature of religion by underscoring the us/them boundary
You are correct sir, which is why some Bibles must be thrown in....and for good measure make sure a few of them dont have the new testament just to make sure that the message is transmitted.

As an aside, Alan Watts used to say that the best thing that could happen to the bible would be to disappear for a hundred years and be forgotten, and then to come back. I always agreed with that.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 04:17 am
@dagmaraka,
dagmaraka wrote:

David, you can learn about how widespread or not radical Islam is in different parts of the world by reading.... there is plenty of research and writing out there. You don't have to rely on info you've heard on TV once about what they teach in "Arabia" (wtf?)

If you're interested, study.
Have your studies led to a contrary result?
that thay do NOT teach that in Arabian schools to very young children ?
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 08:29 am
@OmSigDAVID,
You're asking someone to prove a negative? The burden of proof is on those who make the statement, not those who doubt it. The more outrageous or inflammatory the claim, the greater requirement for proof.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 10:47 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David, Have you ever traveled to any Muslim country? Have you ever traveled to Turkey? How about Central Asia where over 80% of the population is Muslim.

Show us proof that they are radicals like the Taliban or al Qaida?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 11:08 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
You're asking someone to prove a negative?
Where do u get THAT ??


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 11:17 am
@OmSigDAVID,
dag wrote:
Quote:
David, you can learn about how widespread or not radical Islam is in different parts of the world by reading.... there is plenty of research and writing out there.


OSD in response wrote:
Quote:
that thay do NOT teach that in Arabian schools to very young children ?


That's the double negative.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 11:26 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
David, Have you ever traveled to any Muslim country?
Have you ever traveled to Turkey? How about Central Asia where over 80% of the population is Muslim.

Show us proof that they are radicals like the Taliban or al Qaida?
1. I went to India in 1984. There r some Moslems there with the Hindus.
U imply that if I 'd gone to a Moslem country by 9/10/1,
that thay 'd have told me what thay were going to do the next day??

2. I choose not to entrust my personal security to the Turks.

3. I have been too redundant in pointing out that, EVEN IN KUWAIT,
which has reason to be grateful to us, thay were gleefully dancing in the streets
on the afternoon of 9/11/1, in addition of course, to other Moslem places. THAT is demonstration of their sentiments.
THERE is your proof.

Your failure to recognize that proof is borne of your prejudices.





David
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 11:33 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I have no preconceived prejudice, because I believe most humans to be decent. I learned that through world travel.

You are the one bigoted who would castrate a whole group for what a small representative number does, but fails to apply that same standard to all other groups - and that includes any group you belong to by culture or nationality.

You need to grow up. Your childlike ignorance demeans you as an individual who doesn't know what common sense, logic, or humanity is all about.


dagmaraka
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 11:34 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

dagmaraka wrote:

David, you can learn about how widespread or not radical Islam is in different parts of the world by reading.... there is plenty of research and writing out there. You don't have to rely on info you've heard on TV once about what they teach in "Arabia" (wtf?)

If you're interested, study.
Have your studies led to a contrary result?
that thay do NOT teach that in Arabian schools to very young children ?


Which "Arabian" schools? Are you referring to Saudi Arabia? Schools in all Arab countries? It is hard to have a conversation on such sweeping general and vague terms.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 11:37 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
dag wrote:
Quote:
David, you can learn about how widespread or not radical Islam is in different parts of the world by reading.... there is plenty of research and writing out there.


OSD in response wrote:
Quote:
that thay do NOT teach that in Arabian schools to very young children ?


That's the double negative.
C. I.: I 'm very indulgent of your incapacity to understand.
Here we go again:
I questioned and I still question whether she alleges that my
study (to which she has exhorted me)
" in different parts of the world by reading "
will reveal that in Arabia, thay do NOT teach that Americans
are horrible infidels who shoud get killed, as the Moslems did in earlier centuries.

I remain skeptical that those studies woud have that result,
tho I keep an open and indolent mind, insofar as this is concerned.

Concerning travel, I 'd rather go to nice, luxurious places, not to Moslem places.





David
chai2
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 11:43 am
When Jones moves to set fire to the Koran, I think it would fitting if a crowd of people around him simultaneously set file to a thousand Bibles.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 11:49 am
@dagmaraka,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

dagmaraka wrote:

David, you can learn about how widespread or not radical Islam is in different parts of the world by reading.... there is plenty of research and writing out there. You don't have to rely on info you've heard on TV once about what they teach in "Arabia" (wtf?)

If you're interested, study.
Have your studies led to a contrary result?
that thay do NOT teach that in Arabian schools to very young children ?
dagmaraka wrote:
Which "Arabian" schools?
Possibly in the capital; its been several years since I saw that on 60 Minutes; one or more major Arabian cities.
Passages from little children's schoolbooks were translated into English; thay were rabidly anti-American.

dagmaraka wrote:
Are you referring to Saudi Arabia?
Yes; Arabia has been around for quite a while.


dagmaraka wrote:
Schools in all Arab countries?
No; the show was not that comprehensive.
However, Arabia ostensibly is a friend of America,
relative to other much more hostile places like Iran.

Is that friendship hypocritical ??





David
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2010 11:51 am
@OmSigDAVID,
How are things in United these days?
 

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