Why is it Illegal?

"I don't understand why prostitution is illegal. Selling is legal. F***** is legal. Why isn't selling f***** legal? You know, why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away? I can't follow the logic on that one at all! Of all the things you can do, giving someone an orgasm is hardly the worst thing in the world. In the army they give you a medal for spraying napalm on people! In civilian life you go to jail for giving someone an orgasm!" -George Carlin

I’d have to agree to this argument on some level, your thoughts? (keeping in mind, the subject is legal prostitution. Not rape, coercion, blackmail, etc. etc.)

I believe the argument at its base is that it can be exploitative. For example Legalising it will allow the pimps and crims to bring in girls from other countries (usually tricked or forced) and whore them out and because it will then be legal at some level it will be harder (than it already is) to stop.

All we can use the whole religious and immoral argument and that it will damn your soul to hell for all eternity.

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If there were no government regulations on the price of labor it would be driven into the dirt...

You can only support that viewpoint if no one is being paid more than state and federal minimum wages laws allow.

The same is true of sex, that the price is what it is only because it is illegal...

Part of the price of buying the service is the potential for arrest and public humiliation. Legalization might well enhance the price.

But at that, with porn, prostitution cheapens sex in the economy of marriage, where one gives to another exclusively and makes a sacrifice for the privilage... It is hardly fair for good women if every skank on the street is offering wares at a cut rate price and threatening her life with communicable diseases...

You are suggesting that marriage is somehow equivalant to prostitution!?[/[/color]quote]

Society has the right to protect itself from behavior likely to result in disease, disipation, or demoralization... It may seem like a harmless transaction, like buying porn, but if we do not understand the circumstances, and do not care we are doing some one an injustice, and are immoral for that... Most economic transactions grow out of unequal need and supply... One has what another wants and the one who wants is at a disadvantage, unless what one is selling, like labor one need to sell to suvive, and everyone is in the same boat... If there were no government regulations on the price of labor it would be driven into the dirt... The same is true of sex, that the price is what it is only because it is illegal... But at that, with porn, prostitution cheapens sex in the economy of marriage, where one gives to another exclusively and makes a sacrifice for the privilage... It is hardly fair for good women if every skank on the street is offering wares at a cut rate price and threatening her life with communicable diseases... People make a deal in marriage, and they should follow through, and what ever side deals they make is fine too... But sex without love is a form of violence, and it is unjust to self and other no matter what price is paid up front, and the willingness of some stupid drug addicted girl to be used and abused should not enter in to it, because that one deserves the protection of her society too, because if the truth is known, she is suffering from some mental illness or issue... We should sll be indignant, but not out of some ersatz morality; but for the real thing, a connection we have with all people, and with their pain...

What is "the economy of marriage?"

While I am asking questions, why are the girls more severely punished than either the pimps or the johns?

Fido wrote:

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If there were no government regulations on the price of labor it would be driven into the dirt...

You can only support that viewpoint if no one is being paid more than state and federal minimum wages laws allow.[/color[/quote]]Some people will always be paid more even if wages are lower than whale ****... On the average, it is the protection of wages that the governemnt support which keep wages slightly above the const of living..

[quote]The same is true of sex, that the price is what it is only because it is illegal...

Part of the price of buying the service is the potential for arrest and public humiliation. Legalization might well enhance the price.

As if anyone is getting rich selling sex anywhere... It may seem exotic at first, but then it just becomes a job with no regular quiting time...Legislation would enhance the price by making it taxible... In fact, just like the minimum wage; it would not only keep wages high, but keeps them low as well,,,

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But at that, with porn, prostitution cheapens sex in the economy of marriage, where one gives to another exclusively and makes a sacrifice for the privilage... It is hardly fair for good women if every skank on the street is offering wares at a cut rate price and threatening her life with communicable diseases...

You are suggesting that marriage is somehow equivalant to prostitution!?[/[/color]quote]

Each contains a sexual relationship, but marriage is a social form built upon the moral form of love, and sex with a prostitute is a economic relationship built upon hatred of women... I have made a commitment for the sexual end of the marriage with my wife, and I have held to it... But that sex is an act of love... With prostitution, the act is not love but hate, and what is it called but Effing, one of our words for uncontroled violence...Say it: Eff you... Does that sound like making love??? It does not because it is not...People do not buy a wife for the ten minutes it takes them... They buy the intimacy of a person they have no reason to love, and do not love, and love does not enter into it...It is a finacial relationship founded on hatred because women are so elusive with their attention focused else where, on people with more money, better jobs, better educations... We cannot have the ones we want... But we can spew on them, use them, and abuse them all by turning one into an object, and one that can used and tossed an a creature of no consequences.

Fido wrote:

Society has the right to protect itself from behavior likely to result in disease, disipation, or demoralization... It may seem like a harmless transaction, like buying porn, but if we do not understand the circumstances, and do not care we are doing some one an injustice, and are immoral for that... Most economic transactions grow out of unequal need and supply... One has what another wants and the one who wants is at a disadvantage, unless what one is selling, like labor one need to sell to suvive, and everyone is in the same boat... If there were no government regulations on the price of labor it would be driven into the dirt... The same is true of sex, that the price is what it is only because it is illegal... But at that, with porn, prostitution cheapens sex in the economy of marriage, where one gives to another exclusively and makes a sacrifice for the privilage... It is hardly fair for good women if every skank on the street is offering wares at a cut rate price and threatening her life with communicable diseases... People make a deal in marriage, and they should follow through, and what ever side deals they make is fine too... But sex without love is a form of violence, and it is unjust to self and other no matter what price is paid up front, and the willingness of some stupid drug addicted girl to be used and abused should not enter in to it, because that one deserves the protection of her society too, because if the truth is known, she is suffering from some mental illness or issue... We should sll be indignant, but not out of some ersatz morality; but for the real thing, a connection we have with all people, and with their pain...

I honestly don’t know where to begin with this reply, but I’ll try. First I’d like to point out that America has a divorce rate just over 50% (not to mention the marriages which are unhappily still together). However, your comment “sex without love is a form of violence” is plainly absurd. People have sex for any number of things; lust, revenge, spontaneous, pleasure, to name just a few.

As far as economics, I’m sure most people have a basic understanding of supply and demand to a degree. If it as you said, “prostitution cheapens sex in the economy of marriage”, then the marriage in itself is a sham and should not of been carried through in the first place. Because as you said, “marriage, where one gives to another exclusively and makes a sacrifice for the privilege”, then by that, the married would not partake in the purchase, thusly eliminating them from the equation (at least in a perfect world). Your contradictory argument and line of thought, or lake thereof, baffles me.

“If there were no government regulations on the price of labor it would be driven into the dirt”- Fido
Thus why legalization and regulations by the government is what is suggested.

“Society has the right to protect itself from behavior likely to result in disease, dissipation, or demoralization... It may seem like a harmless transaction, like buying porn, but if we do not understand the circumstances, and do not care we are doing some one an injustice”- Fido

If someone wanted to protect themselves from said disease, dissipation, demoralization they need only not to partake in the activities, much like not going to a strip club or purchasing porn. Once again people are trying to deny holding themselves responsible for their own lives/actions and instead are trying to govern everyone’s. If I wanted to go dress up like a horse and have a man break me like a bronco at some kind of sexcapade cowboy rodeo, who are you, or anyone, to deny me that?

All in all, it comes down to this, in my opinion, “There is no difference between good and evil, or right and wrong, there is only a difference in opinion.”
- Telamon

It is not absurd... Sex without love is a form of violence... Look, there is intimacy without commitment, and there is touching without love...If not love, then what is it??? It is easy to say you are doing some one some good; but the fact is, that as one is being intimate they are letting down their guards, and people often carry the scars of fail intimacy... If you are at all sensitive, then you connect, and when you connect you feel another's pain... ,But if you can screw some one without the least sensitivity, making contact, and not for love; then you are doing violence...And it is for that reason that so many whores must also self medicate, because they endure hatred and injustice and violence... Love heals, but hate only injures...

Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world - it's legalized in most European countries and prostitutes are registered and required to have monthly health checks. I don't have statistics but I am almost certain that the number of rapes is far less in countries where prostitution is legalized.