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The end of men

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2011 02:24 am
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By Bob Allen
Monday, August 23, 2010

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (ABP) -- Bumps, scrapes and bruises are not just associated with boyhood but are necessary in order to raise men equipped to exercise spiritual leadership in their homes, a Southern Baptist seminary professor said at a weekend conference on "connecting church and home."

"We are raising our young boys to be way too soft, way too careful, as if the ultimate prize in our parenting of boys is to get them to 18 years old and say they never got hurt, nothing bad ever happened," Randy Stinson, dean of the School of Church Ministries at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said at the conference held Aug. 20-21 on the seminary campus in Louisville, Ky. "They never experienced pain. They never experienced disappointment. They have just had a wonderfully smooth life,"

"What you've done, you have handicapped that boy for the rest of his life," Stinson counseled. "He will be a weak, soft, ineffective man."

Stinson, who also serves as president of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, said a "therapeutic" model that eliminates competition and rough play among boys has created a generation of 20-something males that are the "most self-absorbed generation in American history."

http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/5465/53/
failures art
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2011 08:56 am
@hawkeye10,
Right, because biblical men are never self centered...

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haribol
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 04:52 am
@JPB,
The wall between man and woman is ripped down and we are not so much in a male dominated world. Of course man's robustness is there dominating in some parts of the world and woman's meatiness that ensnares man into her life is also persistent. However we are entering into a new epoch wherein man and woman's differences or crevices are evening up.

Today woman is free and has her own big say and role in most of her likings and disliking. She joins and disjoins man's society whimsically and builds and breaks the relationship at her whim whim.


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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 05:00 am
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
And i feel fine . . .







(whim whim?)
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 07:25 am
@Setanta,
I think whim whim mean's we're fickle.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2011 07:48 am
Dona es mobile . . . (woman is fickle)

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 12:38 pm
The End of Jewish Men?
Some professors and rabbis are concerned that liberal Judaism is becoming too female. Is this a real crisis?
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All of these measures come as a response to a perceived "feminization" of liberal Judaism: declining male involvement in both the leadership and laity, among some Reform and Reconstructionist, and to a lesser extent Conservative, Jews. In 2008, Brandeis professor Sylvia Barack Fishman coauthored a monograph, Matrilineal Ascent/Patrilineal Descent, based on survey data and her own interviews. On a range of metrics, she found Jewish men to be less invested in their religious identity and less active in synagogue life than Jewish women. Women typically wish to marry within the tribe and raise Jewish children, while men often expressed hostility toward Jewish women and religion generally. Fishman declared this disparity a "crisis." Predictably, spirited debate erupted in the Jewish press and blogosphere. Does liberal Judaism really have a serious gender imbalance?
http://www.slate.com/id/2297575/

This sort of thing was predicted all the way back in 1988 in that much criticized great work of Alan Bloom's "The Closing of the American Mind" (which is selling very well now which tells me that people are more open to his message now than we were back then)....he who pointed out that the response by men when women turn hostile to men and men's needs is to get gone. Men dont tend to stick around and go toe to toe with women, we tend rather to leave and look for a women who wants us. But when the culture turns hostile to men, as our has, we dont have a comfortable go to response. We are going to have to learn new tricks, because there is no alternative to taking on the man hating bitch feminists.
failures art
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 10:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
Uhhhhh... Hasn't Hebrew tradition always been matriarchal? If Jewish men are becoming less interested in only marrying "within the tribe" and pursuing their own romantic aspirations (as the article suggests: Less orthodox Jewish women or non-Jewish) elsewhere, isn't that exactly the kind of male empowerment you claim is going away?

You're a professional envy artist.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 10:39 pm
@failures art,
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Uhhhhh... Hasn't Hebrew tradition always been matriarchal?
IDK, but according to the article some Rabies and professors believe that some sects of Judaism are now overly feminized. If some experts in the subject raise a red flag it might be a good idea to check out the claim.
failures art
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 10:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
The other side of this is that if I'm wrong about the matriarch part, it's perfectly reasonable to say that those in power (like Rabbi experts perhaps), don't like the idea of loosing any power, in which case, this is nothing really new. Any move toward balance from the vantage point of the entitled, is usually dressed up with hyperbolic language about downfall.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 11:18 pm
@failures art,
Who knows, that is why we talk about stuff and compare notes around here.....but when people start talking in such a way as to support my thesis that this culture has become overly feminine and hostile towards men I tend to want to bring it forwards.
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failures art
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2011 06:33 am
Hawkeye, I feel you are lodged into a mentality like this:

Ignoring a reality like this:

The sad thing is that the first commercial is ultra emasculating, and yet the force it exerts on your mind will not be given its due credit. As I've said before, it's not women who are making men feel inadequate, but rather the materialistic obsession that relates objects to status, and status to sexual prowess. That (IMO) is a long path, but a path none the less, to objectifying others and diminishing women to simple conquests. When the narrative doesn't play out like it's supposed to, anger fills the void.

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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2011 06:55 am
Are they gone yet?

Did they get rid of all the men?










Oh, wait . . . never mind . . .
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2011 12:46 am
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Hanna Rosin's 2010 Atlantic cover story, "The End of Men," was one of the most talked-about magazine articles in recent years. "Man has been the dominant sex since, well, the dawn of mankind," wrote Rosin, an award-winning journalist for Slate and the Atlantic. "But for the first time in human history, that is changing—and with shocking speed."

That shift, she says, hasn't showed signs of slowing in the past year. And that's why she'll debate for the motion that "men are finished" during the Sept. 20 live Slate/Intelligence Squared U.S. debate at NYU.
Why are men finished, exactly? Rosin says they've failed to adapt to a modern, postindustrial economy that demands a more traditionally—and stereotypically—feminine skill set (read: communication skills, social intelligence, empathy, consensus-building, and flexibility). Statistics show they're rapidly falling behind their female counterparts at school, work, and home. For every two men who receive a college degree, three women will. Of the 15 fastest-growing professions during the next decade, women dominate all but two. Meanwhile, men are even languishing in movies and on television: They're portrayed as deadbeats and morons alongside their sardonic and successful female co-stars.
I caught up with Rosin earlier this week to talk about the downside of female dominance, her own decidedly unfeminist upbringing, and how she plans to win the Sept. 20 debate. Excerpts from the interview are below.
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http://www.slate.com/id/2303759
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Old Goat
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2011 03:49 am
Aaaah but how I hanker for the good old days........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w


(Please excuse the advert at the beginning)
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2011 07:24 am
@Old Goat,
Delightful & very funny, Old Goat! Very Happy

And it's very good to see you back here.
I hope this is not just a fleeting visit.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 11:13 pm
Oh, Come On, Men Aren't Finished

Women are joining men as partners in running the world, not replacing them.

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Why, then, are we even having a debate about man's demise? Because we're living in a society that's enamored with the "WAW", or "Women are Wonderful" phenomenon. WAW, a kind of reverse female chauvinism, is everywhere. Magazines, TV shows, newspapers, and even scholarly journals run endless stories and articles claiming women are the better sex. Women, we are told, are superior leaders and communicators. They're also more charitable, empathetic, and noble than men. The rules of the WAW game make it impossible for men to win: If women do something better than men, that is evidence of their superiority. If men outperform women, that's proof of invidious discrimination against the fairer sex.
To violate the spirit of WAW is to invite havoc. Suggest, as Larry Summers did, that men may have some innate advantages in science and math, and prepare to change your job. Write a book or article titled Are Men Necessary?, "The End of Men," Man Down, or Women are From Venus, Men are from Hell," and the gods smile.

http://www.slate.com/id/2303907/pagenum/2

I agree with the quote but not the overall thrust of the piece...women have almost always been partners, this idea that it is a new concept is to slander our forefathers and foremothers..and this piece also ignores that the feminist agenda is to oppress men by all means necissary.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2011 04:36 am
@hawkeye10,
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. . . the feminist agenda is to oppress men by all means necissary.


Oh . . . poor bay-bee . . .

What a pathetic whiner you are.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 11:59 am
All the Single Ladies

Recent years have seen an explosion of male joblessness and a steep decline in men’s life prospects that have disrupted the “romantic market” in ways that narrow a marriage-minded woman’s options: increasingly, her choice is between deadbeats (whose numbers are rising) and playboys (whose power is growing). But this strange state of affairs also presents an opportunity: as the economy evolves, it’s time to embrace new ideas about romance and family—and to acknowledge the end of “traditional” marriage as society’s highest ideal.


By KATE BOLICK


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The implications are extraordinary. If, in all sectors of society, women are on the ascent, and if gender parity is actually within reach, this means that a marriage regime based on men’s overwhelming economic dominance may be passing into extinction. As long as women were denied the financial and educational opportunities of men, it behooved them to “marry up”—how else would they improve their lot? (As Maureen Dowd memorably put it in her 2005 book, Are Men Necessary?, “Females are still programmed to look for older men with resources, while males are still programmed to look for younger women with adoring gazes.”) Now that we can pursue our own status and security, and are therefore liberated from needing men the way we once did, we are free to like them more, or at least more idiosyncratically, which is how love ought to be, isn’t it?

My friend B., who is tall and gorgeous, jokes that she could have married an NBA player, but decided to go with the guy she can talk to all night—a graphic artist who comes up to her shoulder. C., the editorial force behind some of today’s most celebrated novels, is a modern-day Venus de Milo—with a boyfriend 14 years her junior. Then there are those women who choose to forgo men altogether. Sonia Sotomayor isn’t merely a powerful woman in a black robe—she’s also a stellar example of what it can mean to exercise authority over every single aspect of your personal life. When Gloria Steinem said, in the 1970s, “We’re becoming the men we wanted to marry,” I doubt even she realized the prescience of her words.

But while the rise of women has been good for everyone, the decline of males has obviously been bad news for men—and bad news for marriage. For all the changes the institution has undergone, American women as a whole have never been confronted with such a radically shrinking pool of what are traditionally considered to be “marriageable” men—those who are better educated and earn more than they do. So women are now contending with what we might call the new scarcity. Even as women have seen their range of options broaden in recent years—for instance, expanding the kind of men it’s culturally acceptable to be with, and making it okay not to marry at all—the new scarcity disrupts what economists call the “marriage market” in a way that in fact narrows the available choices, making a good man harder to find than ever. At the rate things are going, the next generation’s pool of good men will be significantly smaller. What does this portend for the future of the American family?


http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/all-the-single-ladies/8654/?single_page=true
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 01:04 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

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. . . the feminist agenda is to oppress men by all means necissary.


Oh . . . poor bay-bee . . .

What a pathetic whiner you are.


So what is your argument? Is it that I am wrong or is it that this does not matter?
 

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