Beck, Palin, LaPierre and Nugent = MLK celebration?

The longings of the members of the audience are mostly noble. That America is so ill that has came to be that a Flim Flam man like Beck who feeds them is very very sad.

We have known for a long time that the american education system is broken, we now are fully aware that the political system is broken after a few decades of trying to deny the obvious....why are you all shocked at the current state of affairs? Do you not pay attention?

It wasn't noble....they were mesmerized over the idea of shouting a concept of loving God???? What's broken are the folks who used Cliff notes to avoid any deep thinking.

You are not a believer in tolerance I take it. I have socialized with, worked with, broken bread with, prayed with all kinds of people, and I have come to the conclusion that starting from the assumption or belief that the other person is broken is a sure way to make sure that a relationship with them can never happen. Even when I am quite sure that there is something clinically wrong with them I now try to not focus on that. You might give this approach a try.

Beck is giving good people some hope, he is serving up something that they can believe in. That is priceless. Sure he is doing it for his own entertainment and profit, but I don't give a ****. Any relationship must work for the individuals involved, all need to get something out of it.

Is Barack Obama any better than Glenn Beck? Think back the the campaign rallies and compare what he said he said he believed in with what he has shown through his actions that he does believe in. Are you still sure of your opinion? Obama did it to get a job, he is not so pure as he advertised. All kinds of suckers bought the kool-aid and drank it though. Probably these are the same people who are crapping all over Glenn Beck and the people who go to see his shows. Maybe it is jealousy.

Tell me, Hawkeye, other than some of than issues regarding detainees, what has Obama done or not done which is different than he promised in his campaign?

He never promised to be a moderate centrist. He said he would work with republicans. He tried and is still trying. So far republicans have just carried on a just no say work in congress. You can't work people who don't want to work with you.

In fact during the campaign people have said his ideas were socialist so it should be no surprise he governs with a democrat agenda. Most people voted for Obama because they didn’t want McCain knowing he was just going to carry on with the same failed policies which got us into this mess (my how quickly they have forgotten) or because Hillary didn’t win the primaries. I guess they expected him to run more conservative as president than when he ran for office since they were stuck with him. Sometimes we as American voters don’t make sense. Kind of like when we reelected Bush and then expected him to have different results than the first term becasue there was just something about Kerry Americans didn't like.

FactCheck will also show that Obama has accomplished most of his campaign promises.

He's infinitely better than Beck. In every way.



Yes, because he's done a pretty good job delivering so far.



The only sucker here is you, Hawk, with your constant doom-and-gloom attitude and total lack of knowledge of any way to address the problems which you say plague our society.

I also like the fact that you dance with the Tea Partiers, but refuse to call yourself one, because ultimately you are well aware of how embarrassing these people are.

Cycloptichorn

I have not been remotely gloom and doom on this subject, and you are as always free to challenge me on my knowledge of the facts. However, a back of the hand allegation that I have a "total lack of knowledge" is of course worth zip. Your continuing to make that baseless charge is another indication that you are not in fact the rational reasonable actor that you like to portray yourself as. I invite you to make the attempt to throw facts, evidence and argument rather than mud. I will not hold my breath waiting.

What facts? You didn't present a factual argument based on a logical assessment of the situation we are in, but instead an emotional one based on nebulous assertions.

Cycloptichorn

If we accept your evaluation that leaves you free to present your own emotional based nebulous assertions, you are not however free to claim that I am "totally lacking in knowledge" without facts to back up the claim. You chose to attack the veracity of a fellow a2k member when there was no reason to do so, if you are going to do that honor demands that you back up your claims. You continue to make the charge on multiple treads without making any effort to support it. This again shows that you are not what you claim to be.

What claims have I made, specifically, that are inaccurate?

That you have little understanding of modern politics? I think that's accurate.

That you claim to speak on behalf of the 'troubled masses' in the Tea Party, and say that they have some sort of wisdom? I think that's accurate, based on your statements.

That both you and they don't have the foggiest clue about most issues you discuss? Once again, accurate.

That they harbor bigoted positions and try and find justifications for them - just as you do? Accurate.

This is ******* boring, if you can't present a more cohesive argument, I'm not interested in just insulting you all day. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Cycloptichorn

I'm sure that this video of the Beck crowd is completely biased.... right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8PmEjxUfg

Absolutely we can assume that it is, as we have been talking about in either this thread or the other Beck thread...

edit: http://able2know.org/topic/160687-3#post-4335324

I'm curious why Hawkeye (was it hawkeye?) thinks I exposed a lack of tolerance while describing a snake oil salesman. I rely on our Constitution's iron clad commitment to freedom of religion and if Beck wants to wear magic underware and believe that an ArchAngle appeared to Joseph Smith to bestow the prevously unrecovered words of Jesus I absolutely defend his right to do so. Just because I don't believe in pussyfooting around only means I can be blunt, but it's a streach to assume I'm intolerant

I may find some religious beliefs hard to swallow but that doesn't invalidate them. What are the odds that if you or I were looking for a place of worship and we arrived to discuss our search with a Lutheran minister...he or she would shake their head and say "well come on in, but if you are really interested in salvation you will have better luck at a Methodist Church because those folks are much more beloved by God",

If you look up Ruth Marcus' column in the Sept 1, 2010 edition of the Washington Post, she had a very interesting take on the Beck revival meeting. She observed that Beck's zeal is indicative of an addict/alcoholic's journey during recovery. He found the answer for his problems and now he wants everyone to get on board the recovery train. This is not a reason to criticize his belief system but it does explain his belief that he has the only true blue truth. I don't really know where Ruth Marcus fits on the political scale between Liberal or Conservative. But Kathleen Parker who is a respected Conservative columnist also had an interesting view of the event at the Lincoln Memorial. Both Marcus and Parker attended Beck's Church picnic.

I don't know how many members here have ever heard of Amiee Semple McPherson who had tons of followers in her evangelical movement back in the 1920's. She also held people enthrawled with her godliness and goodness and reaped a boatload of money from her followers. Then "poof" she disappeared without a trace causing anguish to her followers...but "voila" she was eventually found with her married boyfriend, crushing the beliefs of the faithful. She wasn't taken against her will, she left to be with the man she and her boyfriends wife loved. So sad, the flesh is weak, however it was not something that Sister Amiee preached before she disappeared.