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Do you flaunt or flout?

 
 
JTT
 
Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 10:52 pm
There was a recent posting where Contrex corrected Snood on his choice of words. I don't know where to look to find it, ain't gonna try but ...

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M-W

flaunt

transitive verb
1 : to display ostentatiously or impudently : parade <flaunting his superiority>
2 : to treat contemptuously <flaunted the rules — Louis Untermeyer>

usage Although transitive sense 2 of flaunt undoubtedly arose from confusion with flout, the contexts in which it appears cannot be called substandard <meting out punishment to the occasional mavericks who operate rigged games, tolerate rowdyism, or otherwise flaunt the law — Oscar Lewis> <observed with horror the flaunting of their authority in the suburbs, where men…put up buildings that had no place at all in a Christian commonwealth — Marchette Chute> <in our profession…very rarely do we publicly chastise a colleague who has flaunted our most basic principles — R. T. Blackburn, AAUP Bulletin>. If you use it, however, you should be aware that many people will consider it a mistake. Use of flout in the sense of flaunt 1 is found occasionally <“The proper pronunciation,” the blonde said, flouting her refined upbringing, “is pree feeks” — Mike Royko>.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/flaunt


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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 11:41 pm
@JTT,
Messrs. Merriam and Webster wrote:
If you use it, however, you should be aware that many people will consider it a mistake.

I'm one of those people.
contrex
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 12:19 am
Regardless of what Merriam-Webster says, I assert that to flaunt means "to show off", and that to flout means "to defy" or "to show contempt for". There are many sources, both on line and printed, which declare unabiguously that to confuse these meanings is a mistake.

This...

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Although transitive sense 2 of flaunt undoubtedly arose from confusion with flout, the contexts in which it appears cannot be called substandard


... means "Although the practice of using of flaunt to mean flout is an error, these quoted examples appear in work by respectable authors"

I do not take that to mean it's OK. Even great authors make careless mistakes.






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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 02:36 am
@joefromchicago,

Me too.

I think Merriam Webster are guilty of criminal behaviour, giving credence to this sort of stuff.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 02:39 am

btw, Somebody said on the BBC radio this morning, Sarah Palin seems to get her command of English from George Bush.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 02:59 am
Quote:
I assert that to flaunt means "to show off", and that to flout means "to defy" or "to show contempt for".

I agree with this,

A difference between BrE and AmE perhaps?

Languages continually evolve. Whether that evolution comes from mistaken meanings or not it is still evolution. When to include a change in definition is a difficult challenge.
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 04:28 am
@dadpad,

Don't let them off so lightly, dadpad. Put the boot in, man. They're ******* up our language. No quarter, no surrender!
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djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 05:39 am
huh, all this time i thought Flaunt, was your father-in-laws, parents sister, and Flout was something flute players did
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 08:04 am
@dadpad,
dadpad wrote:

Quote:
I assert that to flaunt means "to show off", and that to flout means "to defy" or "to show contempt for".

I agree with this,

A difference between BrE and AmE perhaps?

No, it's the difference between being descriptive and being prescriptive. The folks at M-W apparently are the former -- they're merely describing a common, albeit mistaken, practice, much like the indiscriminate use of "alright" and "irregardless." But then using "effect" or "phone" as verbs were once regarded by language purists as gauche. Some day we may all be saying "refudiate," just as another linguistically-challenged politician introduced "normalcy" into the language ninety years ago.

dadpad wrote:
Languages continually evolve. Whether that evolution comes from mistaken meanings or not it is still evolution. When to include a change in definition is a difficult challenge.

Indeed.
dadpad
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 08:20 am
Quote:
and Flout was something flute players did .


Boats do it too,
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 08:46 am
I agree with contrex. It's a mistake to switch them
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 10:04 am
@joefromchicago,

Good man, Joe

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/jul/19/sarah-palin-refudiate-new-word
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 11:42 am
@joefromchicago,
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they're merely describing a common, albeit mistaken, practice, much like the indiscriminate use of "alright" and "irregardless." But then using "effect" or "phone" as verbs were once regarded by language purists as gauche. Some day we may all be saying "refudiate," just as another linguistically-challenged politician introduced "normalcy" into the language ninety years ago.


Contradiction after contradiction after contradiction, Joe.
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