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Wed 14 Jul, 2010 02:22 pm
My greatest concern is that America will return to the old days where there is a large/slave, majority, and a smell ruling minority. Historically, this model is one that is the case for most of written history. The greatest problem that confronts the middle class is how to cope with:
1. The endless supply of cheap manual labor from all over the world. These people would work for 20 cent on a dollar, able to do long hours, and without any union.
2. The endless supply of cheap technical people from all over the world. The same as 1. These technical jobs are mainly filled by Chinese nationals, and Asian indians.
3. How many ******* times have you heard that America is a service economy? What happens when you have an endless supply of service people? That is what is happening right now. When you want to get help on how to configure your iphone, you talk to some indian guy half way across the world. When your boss want someone to do the company tax, he emails it to India where it is much cheaper. Your boss also email to a group in China, or india to help him design something. When these jobs are gone, we are all fucked.
For reasons 1-3, there is no more job security any more.
@TuringEquivalent,
Will the ruling majority's smell be
so bad, that we cannot resist it?
Cycloptichorn
Nothing. Welcome to the New America where everyone is less than middle class.
@plainoldme,
Quote:Nothing. Welcome to the New America where everyone is less than middle class.
Do you smell an oncoming political firestorm, because I do....there will be hell to pay when Americans wake up and realize what has happened.
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Quote:Nothing. Welcome to the New America where everyone is less than middle class.
Do you smell an oncoming political firestorm, because I do....there will be hell to pay when Americans wake up and realize what has happened.
Pfff, you've been beating this drum since day 1 on this site, Captain Doom and Gloom. Never a shred of evidence to back the position up.
Cycloptichorn
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote: Never a shred of evidence to back the position up.
Check out the reality of the global economic picture, go looking for experts who are optimistic about the future and see how many you can come up with, and then say that without a smiley face...
I have been ahead of the curve in coming to the conclusion that we are in deep trouble, but it is now the almost universal consensus.
EDIT: someone, I forget who, said a few days ago that we are in the middle of a pessimism bubble. That is a very minority view though, most people think that the pessimism is completely justified based upon the facts.
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Will the ruling majority's smell be so bad, that we cannot resist it?
Cycloptichorn
This is not about smelling rich peoples` ass, moron.
It is about the middle class in America without any sense of job security anymore.
Quote:What`s going to help me from being in the lower class?
Go to school and become a lobbyist or politician. They seem to do well no matter what the economic climate.
@TuringEquivalent,
TuringEquivalent wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Will the ruling majority's smell be so bad, that we cannot resist it?
Cycloptichorn
This is not about smelling rich peoples` ass, moron.
It is about the middle class in America without any sense of job security anymore.
I believe he was cracking a joke about the typo in your original post:
Quote:My greatest concern is that America will return to the old days where there is a large/slave, majority, and a smell ruling minority.
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Quote: Never a shred of evidence to back the position up.
Check out the reality of the global economic picture, go looking for experts who are optimistic about the future and see how many you can come up with, and then say that without a smiley face...
I have been ahead of the curve in coming to the conclusion that we are in deep trouble, but it is now the almost universal consensus.
EDIT: someone, I forget who, said a few days ago that we are in the middle of a pessimism bubble. That is a very minority view though, most people think that the pessimism is completely justified based upon the facts.
There is no more talk. It is already a reality. Of course, some jobs will never move out of this country, like law, medicine, teaching and selling houses. What i see is that technical jobs are out. I live in San Jose, and most people are indian, or Chinese engineers. All the tiny bits of chips in your computer are all made from Taiwanese companies. This includes a lot of the service, research, and design jobs as well. Why? Big companies are building research labs all over China, and India.
@TuringEquivalent,
TuringEquivalent wrote:
hawkeye10 wrote:
Quote: Never a shred of evidence to back the position up.
Check out the reality of the global economic picture, go looking for experts who are optimistic about the future and see how many you can come up with, and then say that without a smiley face...
I have been ahead of the curve in coming to the conclusion that we are in deep trouble, but it is now the almost universal consensus.
EDIT: someone, I forget who, said a few days ago that we are in the middle of a pessimism bubble. That is a very minority view though, most people think that the pessimism is completely justified based upon the facts.
There is no more talk. It is already a reality. Of course, some jobs will never move out of this country, like law, medicine, teaching and selling houses. What i see is that technical jobs are out. I live in San Jose, and most people are indian, or Chinese engineers. All the tiny bits of chips in your computer are all made from Taiwanese companies. This includes a lot of the service, research, and design jobs as well. Why? Big companies are building research labs all over China, and India.
I am thinking of moving to canada after law school. what do you guys think?
@TuringEquivalent,
If you have an American law degree it will do you no good in Canada, they have different laws. I also think they have their own employment problems not so different from the US.
@TuringEquivalent,
TuringEquivalent wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Will the ruling majority's smell be so bad, that we cannot resist it?
Cycloptichorn
This is not about smelling rich peoples` ass, moron.
It is about the middle class in America without any sense of job security anymore.
I would advise that you check your ******* typing in the original post before referring to others as a moron; the irony meter doesn't like being driven past the chart's limits.
Cycloptichorn
what's wrong with being part of the lower class, i'd much rather be them than the upper class, all i ask is a living wage
stainless steel kitchen appliances, granite counters tops and dual sink ensuites are the new measure of "middle-class" in american. the times they are a changin'.
@dyslexia,
i prefer the classic 1970's autumn gold appliances myself
@TuringEquivalent,
TuringEquivalent wrote:I am thinking of moving to canada after law school. what do you guys think?
Not a bad idea. The civilian employment ratio in the U.S. is the lowest it's been since 1980. Canada, on the other hand, hasn't been nearly as hard hit (for a variety of reasons, I think):
@Irishk,
Canada must be just begging for immigrants, huh?
@hawkeye10,
I think this is Brave New World. Most will just accept it.
@roger,
You making fun of my chart, Roger?
You can read more
here.
Looks like they did it without massive government stimulus -- impressive, no?
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