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Little girls give away free lemonade. Conservative columnist is outraged.

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 06:31 pm
@engineer,
The other side of my daughter's situation is that children are supposed to be taught to help others. When I was a Catholic school student and we had the Catholic version of Dick and Jane, there were stories about helping people. My own mother taught us to help adults, particularly elderly adults, and not to expect money.
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 06:33 pm
@plainoldme,
But did they know that in advance? If they thought they were giving their labor away, it would clearly mean the end of US civilization. Note that this is not my belief, but clearly this columnist would feel otherwise.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 07:06 pm
@engineer,
Well, when the event occurred, this context was lacking. Hmmm. It is still lacking, but . . .Frankly, I would never have asked. Since the gardener in question was a neighbor of the other girl, who lived on the next street, at the opposite end of the street from ours, I guess I assumed the other family had a relationship with the gardener.

I guess the lesson is to teach children to be rude, self-centered little gimmes.
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 07:15 pm
@plainoldme,
That does seem to be what the columnist is suggesting, or at least someone who doesn't value charity.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 07:32 pm
@nimh,
Dunno---this column sounds like satire to me. Are you sure this isn't just an incompatibility between your sense of humor and the columnist's?
wayne
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 07:46 pm
There are always plenty of haves willing to take advantage of the charity of the have nots, saving up the free labor to donate to do-nothing children and grand children.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 08:20 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
The mother called me and ranted on at length. She was a social climber. Other than making a "pest" of themselves, I think it was engaging in commerce, but, the incidence was more than 20 years ago. I decided it was better to say nothing to the woman. My daughter was hurt by the event.
Your daughter had the opportunity to learn that a significant
(vocal) proportion of the populace is in varying states of ill-health.

Years ago, it fell to me to process the mail of the Governor of NY.
Every day, reliably, it was the same thing:
most of it was perfectly conservative, e.g. addressing the budget,
or supporting one bill or opposing another, as u 'd expect to find.

To the left of that group, some of it was a tinge more emotional;
very long letters expressing their, or their relatives', tales of woe
(ofen requesting to be sprung from prison).

To the left of that group, were a significant proportion of letters
alleging that agents, or mysterious strangers, or enemies
were watching them or following them and spying on their
fone calls n mail because of their special knowledge or abilities.

To the left of that group, were legibly written letters whose syntax
and substantive concepts were so badly scrambled that I was unable
to discern what thay wanted the Governor to DO, or to restrain himself from doing.
(I had to read it all, because if there were threats of violence,
we needed to forward the mail to the NYS Troopers.)

The moral of the story is:
a significant percentage of the population is in mental ill-health
of different varieties and of differing degrees of severity.
It helps to cope with the public to be aware of that.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 08:25 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:
Dunno---this column sounds like satire to me.
Are you sure this isn't just an incompatibility between your
sense of humor and the columnist's?
I was thinking that, Thomas.





David
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 08:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Actually, one can not say that those who asked for favors were to the left or right.

Those people who alleged that agents or mysterious strangers were watching them were probably to the right.

You can not say that the bad handwriting and poor syntax is a leftwing indicator as the left tends to be more well educated than the right.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 08:31 pm
Go read about Terry Savage. You will not think it satire then.
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wayne
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 08:40 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

The mother called me and ranted on at length. She was a social climber. Other than making a "pest" of themselves, I think it was engaging in commerce, but, the incidence was more than 20 years ago. I decided it was better to say nothing to the woman. My daughter was hurt by the event.


On the one hand, the girls were helping the woman to produce something that yielded a value that was not monetary, unless she herself sold flowers, and she rewarded them in kind. When the girls sought to turn that into a monetary profit they were cheapening the experience. Is it possible that this could have been the source of the mother's outrage?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 08:54 pm
@wayne,
plainoldme wrote:
The mother called me and ranted on at length. She was a social climber. Other than making a "pest" of themselves, I think it was engaging in commerce, but, the incidence was more than 20 years ago. I decided it was better to say nothing to the woman. My daughter was hurt by the event.
wayne wrote:
On the one hand, the girls were helping the woman to produce something that yielded a value that was not monetary, unless she herself sold flowers, and she rewarded them in kind. When the girls sought to turn that into a monetary profit they were cheapening the experience. Is it possible that this could have been the source of the mother's outrage?
The flowers were the girls' property; the experience
was the girls' property. Thay had the right to do with it as thay wished.




David
wayne
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 09:05 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
That may seem right, but then, why bother having parents at all?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 09:10 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
Actually, one can not say that those who asked for favors were to the left or right.
Correct; there was no indication. I never formed an opinion of their ideologies.



plainoldme wrote:
Those people who alleged that agents or mysterious strangers were watching them were probably to the right.
Y do u think so, Plain ?




plainoldme wrote:
You can not say that the bad handwriting
and poor syntax is a leftwing indicator as the left tends to be
more well educated than the right.
Plain, if u 'll look again, u 'll see that I said their letters were LEGIBLE. Thay were frequently typed, with clear imprints.

This group of petitioners' letters were so badly scrambled
in their syntax and in their substantive concepts
that I coud not begin to guess as to ideological inclination;
(probably a bell-curved distribution).





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 09:12 pm
@wayne,
wayne wrote:
That may seem right, but then, why bother having parents at all?
Incarnate existence ?
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 09:15 pm
Ready for some irony? George Washington led the REvolutionary Army without pay.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 09:17 pm
@wayne,
I knew this woman enough to know that she was more than a bit of a snob. I also knew that she considered me beneath her.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 09:18 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Well, the mother of the other girl had the right to tell her daughter that selling the flowers was wrong.

When two rights are in conflict, one is not a right is something I was taught.
wayne
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 09:20 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Yes, and I believe in that, but not everyone else does.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2010 09:22 pm
Damn. I hate to have to go to bed. This thread has gotten really bizarre. Good night all.
 

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