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Report Of The Red Cross. Holocaust Is A Fraude.

 
 
Reply Mon 3 May, 2010 04:39 pm
Revelations

Germans permited the Red Cross in the Concentration camps
while Israel refused to let the Red Cross in Gaza.

open the link....
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Anton Artaud
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 09:47 am
@mapleleaf cv,
There are far too many books by far too many people who lived in this climate to disagree. Even if it was 1 million Jews, it is still a Holocaust. What is the magic number? is it 6 million, 4 million or what?

Nevertheless, German Nazi's murdered and tortured hundreds of thousands of people. That's enough for anyone.

Your document doesn't mean much. The Nazis had total control over who, when and how people were seen by the Red Cross. They could direct who was and who was not to be counted.

Then there are the dates; the document does not cover all the camps throughout the entire war.

Also, the Germans forged documents to hide what they were really doing. The "solution" was a military secret.
kynaston
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 10:46 am
@Anton Artaud,
Anton Artaud;71591 wrote:
There are far too many books by far too many people who lived in this climate to disagree. Even if it was 1 million Jews, it is still a Holocaust. What is the magic number? is it 6 million, 4 million or what?

Nevertheless, German Nazi's murdered and tortured hundreds of thousands of people. That's enough for anyone.

Your document doesn't mean much. The Nazis had total control over who, when and how people were seen by the Red Cross. They could direct who was and who was not to be counted.

Then there are the dates; the document does not cover all the camps throughout the entire war.

Also, the Germans forged documents to hide what they were really doing. The "solution" was a military secret.


Agreed. I think that it is inconceivable that anyone could have afforded the time and money to make up the death camps at the end of the War, and however it came about, a vast number of persons, Russian soldiers, communists, socialists, gypsies and handicapped people as well as persons identified as 'Jews' were dead when the camps were liberated. The nazis were very good at propaganda (many groups, including the zionists have learned from them) and could fool the Red Cross as well as the next man. I wish that three issues - whether people were murdered in the camps, what the zionists are doing to the native people of Palestine and the rights or wrongs of anti-'Jewish' beliefs - could be entirely separated from each other. In my own view, anything that causes people to steal and murder stinks, however it dresses itself up, and all subjects should be open to public discussion.
Anton Artaud
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 12:57 pm
@kynaston,
kynaston;71593 wrote:
Agreed. I think that it is inconceivable that anyone could have afforded the time and money to make up the death camps at the end of the War, and however it came about, a vast number of persons, Russian soldiers, communists, socialists, gypsies and handicapped people as well as persons identified as 'Jews' were dead when the camps were liberated. The nazis were very good at propaganda (many groups, including the zionists have learned from them) and could fool the Red Cross as well as the next man. I wish that three issues - whether people were murdered in the camps, what the zionists are doing to the native people of Palestine and the rights or wrongs of anti-'Jewish' beliefs - could be entirely separated from each other. In my own view, anything that causes people to steal and murder stinks, however it dresses itself up, and all subjects should be open to public discussion.


Well for me, antisemitism is logically unwarranted. The fuel is religious intolerance and the manipulation of history.

There is no "rights" of anti-Jewish beliefs."

They were murdered. That is a fact. I have read the stories of German soldiers who did the shooting or watched. Then there were the camp survivors who told of the furnaces. Many brought to the Nuremberg Trial admitted to the mass murders.

Hannah Arendt is a good reference. She wrote a great deal about the topic but it is now an historical perspective.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 04:01 pm
@Anton Artaud,
I've seen at least 2 or 3 Holocaust deniers on this website.
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kynaston
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 05:52 am
@Anton Artaud,
Anton Artaud;71595 wrote:
Well for me, antisemitism is logically unwarranted. The fuel is religious intolerance and the manipulation of history.

There is no "rights" of anti-Jewish beliefs."

They were murdered. That is a fact. I have read the stories of German soldiers who did the shooting or watched. Then there were the camp survivors who told of the furnaces. Many brought to the Nuremberg Trial admitted to the mass murders.

Hannah Arendt is a good reference. She wrote a great deal about the topic but it is now an historical perspective.


Para 1, Yup, Para 3, Yup: I've met men who were at the liberation of the camps, plus a few survivors. Para 2: there's no point in talking about denying rights to belief - people will believe what they choose. If - like the Austrians and such - you deny discussion, you merely convince the racists that the 'truth' is being suppressed. They will therefore not believe your arguments, which will simply entrench their racist nonsense. Why, if what you say is true, they ask, do you make their own notions illegal?
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Anton Artaud
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 07:46 am
@mapleleaf cv,
Of course anti-Semites have the "right" to speak. I meant what they say is not "right."
kynaston
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 07:52 am
@Anton Artaud,
Anton Artaud;71638 wrote:
Of course anti-Semites have the "right" to speak. I meant what they say is not "right."


Good. We're in agreement.
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