Schizophrenic Republicans

That's a *** lie!

1. You and I both know that this country was already in ruins when Obama was inaugurated. The economy had already tanked long before Obama was elected and he has not even been in office for a year and you right-wing zealots are already blaming him for the economy and anything else you can think of. When Bush was in office we knew the economy was going to collapse eventually and what did bush do? He kept fueling the debt and decay so that he could delay this collapse and that's all he did do...is delay it and by doing so he made it that much worse. Time to wake up and smell the roses my friend.

2. Obama is certainly no savior and I don't agree with him on all points but I do accept that he is an upgrade from the bush admin and he is trying to reverse some of these old policies that have been bleeding America dry. But knowing that these are bad times and that Obama is in office Pavlov's dog might have something to say about that.

3. Bull****.

4. Enough of these RED-SCARE tactics. Go take a look at my thread which shows exactly how much socializing he is doing.

Because bush never had any interests in the oil companies;)

1. This country was in "ruins"? Explain. Tell me of the mass suffering.
The economy has historically been cyclic. Until Bill Gates and Microsoft changed it all. It forestalled the inevitable down slide. Sooner or later, it was going to come. The problem is that it started swelling during an election year when extreme leftist could use it as a political tool and make the out of touch think the nation was in crisis.

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Really!?

You think the Bush admin and the economic downfall was just a coincidence?

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Finger on the panic button. Creating crisis's where none exist.

Hmph..... why does this sound familiar? :dunno:

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Bush was a coward for dabbling in the bailout process. He opened the door for your Marxist master to nationalize anything he wants.
History of capitalism shows the ship would have been righted if left to the process and let the fat boys go bankrupt without throwing money at them first. Now Barry owns them.

The ship would have been righted no matter what. The difference is that if the auto industry goes under so do the jobs of tens and thousands of Americans, the American economy and all foreign economies that depend on ours and after about a decade of a semi-global depression i'm sure the economy would've bounced back. It's easy to criticize Obama for the bailout but understanding the consequences of the auto-industry going bankrupt it's understandable why he didn't want that to happen.

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2. Name one nation that has ever been built on socialism.
Remember, the example they must measure up to is America, built by capitalism.

The strongest nations economically are those that have a healthy mix of socialism and capitalism.

In my opinion it is the necessities and essentials that must be run by the government such as water, roads, education, urgent medical care etc...

this is because people without money should at least have a basic access to these things regardless of ability to pay.

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3. Really? Do you think the masses thought the answer to their personal issues was to throw money at the corporations?.............. Please.

Do you honesty believe this is the first time the government has pumped money into the private sector?

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4. Tactic? Now truth is a tactic? Has Barry not nationalized the auto industry? The banking industry? Full steam ahead to socialize the health industry?

Obama has not nationalized the auto industry nor the banking industry, congress has voted to give these sectors money with restrictions on how to spend the money that was given to them, they are still privately run and owned and are still traded on the open market. And as for the health industry most Americans think this should be nationalized and I agree with them, there is no reason a person should have to pay for a life saving procedure.

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5. You need to let Bush go to Texas.

We need bush for the sake of comparison.

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Barry is responsible for the effects of his actions. But, he is a slick willie. He governs so that if something succeeds he will take credit, if it fails, someone else will always get the blame.
But slick doesn't equal smart. He's a true moron who's hands the left has placed itself in.

You've relegated a political figure to that of a cartoon villain


Does Obama look like this?






Your version of "reality" may keep life interesting, but it is nonetheless a simple-minded distortion. You can't seem to accept the fact that just because someone has a different idea of how to run a country doesn't mean he/she is out to get you.

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1. Really!?
You think the Bush admin and the economic downfall was just a coincidence?

2. Hhhmph..... why does this sound familiar? :dunno:

3. The ship would have been righted no matter what. The difference is that if the auto industry goes under so do the jobs of tens and thousands of Americans, the American economy and all foreign economies that depend on ours and after about a decade of a semi-global depression i'm sure the economy would've bounced back. It's easy to criticize Obama for the bailout but understanding the consequences of the auto-industry going bankrupt it's understandable why he didn't want that to happen.

4. The strongest nations economically are those that have a healthy mix of socialism and capitalism.

In my opinion it is the necessities and essentials that must be run by the government such as water, roads, education, urgent medical care etc...

5. this is because people without money should at least have a basic access to these things regardless of ability to pay.

6. Do you honesty believe this is the first time the government has pumped money into the private sector?

7. Obama has not nationalized the auto industry nor the banking industry, congress has voted to give these sectors money with restrictions on how to spend the money that was given to them, they are still privately run and owned and are still traded on the open market. And as for the health industry most Americans think this should be nationalized and I agree with them, there is no reason a person should have to pay for a life saving procedure.

8. We need bush for the sake of comparison.

9. You've relegated a political figure to that of a cartoon villain

10. Your version of "reality" may keep life interesting, but it is nonetheless a simple-minded distortion. You can't seem to accept the fact that just because someone has a different idea of how to run a country doesn't mean he/she is out to get you.

1. Doesn't matter if it was coincidence or not. The downturn is long overdue. I don't blame Barroid for the downturn. It's his panic driven reaction that infuriates me.
2. I dunno. I don't know what you mean. Other than I have stated it in other threads. Or, you likely are referring to Rush Limbaugh stating it. I just happen to think he's right on the money.
3. Well then those union pricks should consider taking the cut in pay that they so richly deserve and owe the nation. They are making way too much for shooting screws and running spot welders and snapping plastic parts into place. Spoiled little twits.
4. I agree with this statement. But, socialism can not support itself so they can not presume to be qualified to create standards for those who are qualified. When the leech sucks all the blood from it's host, guess who dies.
5. Making "things" available to those who do not produce, give others less incentive to provide for themselves.
That said, I have no problem with the welfare system as changed by Clintoon. Helping people with some stipulations is fine with me.
6. No, but it should be the last.
7. Barroid the hypocrite stated that he had no interest in running automotive companies. Somewhere in the same speech that he stated that the automotive companies will be fine as long as they follow the "strict guide lines that he has laid out for them. Sounds like he's confused.
8. There is no comparison. Bush loves America.
Barroid declared that we live in the greatest nation. Then offered change to prove it. That alien is so confused even he doesn't know where he was born.
9. Nice picture. Probably closer to Biden, I'd say.
10. You think that I believe Barroid is out to get me? No, just bleed me. Control me. Tell me what to drive. Make me quit smoking. drinking.
But, here's your opporitunity. Perhaps "you" can clarify what the great change is going to be? All that money thrown at the auto industry and the banks. They still went bust.

1. Doesn't matter if it was coincidence or not.

The downturn is long overdue.

2. I dunno. I don't know what you mean. Other than I have stated it in other threads. Or, you likely are referring to Rush Limbaugh stating it. I just happen to think he's right on the money.

3. Well then those union pricks should consider taking the cut in pay that they so richly deserve and owe the nation. They are making way too much for shooting screws and running spot welders and snapping plastic parts into place. Spoiled little twits.

4. I agree with this statement. But, socialism can not support itself so they can not presume to be qualified to create standards for those who are qualified. When the leech sucks all the blood from it's host, guess who dies.

5. Making "things" available to those who do not produce, give others less incentive to provide for themselves.
That said, I have no problem with the welfare system as changed by Clintoon. Helping people with some stipulations is fine with me.

6. No, but it should be the last.

7. Barroid the hypocrite stated that he had no interest in running automotive companies. Somewhere in the same speech that he stated that the automotive companies will be fine as long as they follow the "strict guide lines that he has laid out for them. Sounds like he's confused.

8. There is no comparison. Bush loves America.

Barroid declared that we live in the greatest nation. Then offered change to prove it. That alien is so confused even he doesn't know where he was born.

9. Nice picture. Probably closer to Biden, I'd say.

10. You think that I believe Barroid is out to get me? No, just bleed me. Control me. Tell me what to drive. Make me quit smoking.

But, here's your opporitunity. Perhaps "you" can clarify what the great change is going to be? All that money thrown at the auto industry and the banks. They still went bust.

1. Of course it matters!
When you start pointing the blame finger at people and then when that same finger is pointed back at you, then you proclaim "well...it doesn't really matter"
Quit being a hypocrite.

2. It wasn't "overdue" it was "delayed" by reckless spending that kept the economy going but at the same time fueled our debt and worsened the eventual downfall.

3. The right is no stranger to fear-mongering. I do not doubt that there are honest good republicans out there but they are sitting in the shadow of these self-righteous blowhards who have been a part of the bush admin.

4. And Obama controls the union workers greed? You were trying to paint this as Obama's fault but when I explain the position he was in now you're singing a different tune.

5. Who is "they" and what "standards" are you talking about?

6. Does laziness merit a death sentence?
If someone does not work hard enough to pay for a life-saving operation does that person deserve to die?
Furthermore what someone is able to pay for is not always a direct result of that person's productiveness, there are often other factors that play a role.

7. Again...
this is Obama's fault?

8. I challenge you to name a single industry that does not in some way follow government guide lines. Go ahead name one!
Does this mean the government is running every industry because it has guide lines for all of them? Of course not. The two are not equivalent.
please, you'll have to do better than this.

9. Have you ever read the book Of mice and men ?

What exactly does love have to do with running a country, you can love America all you want but if you don't know what you are doing or if you cling to failed concepts then you will be doing your country harm.

10. Because people who truly love their country are willing to pretend that it has no problems. Like the mother who's son has autism but she wont get him checked out because she thinks he is just "eccentric". yeah, about that.

11. You're proving my point.
12. That's exactly what I mean. And again, you just proved my point.
13. Would you rather he did nothing?

14. See, if our conversations here prove anything it's that no matter what Obama does you will still blame him.

15. I admit that Obama isn't perfect, I admit that he isn't going to fix everything, I admit that I do not agree with him on everything but there is still plenty of room for him to make positive changes and he is trying. I know it's hard, he has a difficult job, he has a job that I wouldn't want right now. Obama has to make a lot of tough decisions and he will be disliked because of it. Most of these decisions are admittedly "damned if you do and damned if you don't" decisions. I suppose it's easier for some people to place blame than to understand the depth of the situation.

1. Pay attention boy.Try not to get confused.
You're the one who tried to dump all the blame on Bush.

I simply said "it doesn't matter". That the cyclic nature brought it about later than it should have come. Now, Barroid of course is making it much worse than it need be.

2. Exactly, by the congress and Bush and now Barroid. All the effect of liberal stupidity.

3. Example of right wing fear mongering please?

4. Barroid is indebted to the unions. "They" will be the new owners of GM.

5. They are the potus. The only experience the potus has is community organizing. Oh, and a few years of voting "present" as a jr. senator.
Ask Barroid, he's the one who stated that GM will be fine as long as they follow the the strick guidelines he has laid down for them.

6. You use the terms "merit and deserve". I say no. Folks do neither, unless they commit murder.
The cruel reality however is that we all die. And no, we don't owe it to each other to mandate taking money from everyone to make attempts at prolonging life. The system is works ok now. If an indigent shows up in a hospital and is in dire need of medical assistance, they can not be denied that care.

7. To this extent? Hell yes it's Barroid's fault. He has every intent of controlling every bit of business as his socialist paws can grab. He is going to make everybody "need" him.

8. Do Barroid's stringent guidlines for GM not dictate that by a given date they will be producing green vehicles?
Guidelines from the past concern mostly saftey issues.

9. Yes, I've read it. totally irrelevant.

Nothing that Barroid has done has helped.

Nothing that Barroid has said proves that the system that has created the great nation that is America was a failure. Barroid is the failure.

And a filthy pompus big eared liar.

10. Pretend the nation has no problems? Get real.
You've never spoken to a conservative that believed such a thing.

But, Barroid? Definitely not the answer.

11. Some one needs to. You're not getting the job done.

12. Go ahead, expound on your point, right now, it's clear as mud.

13. Oh, hell yes. Please, ask him to set down his shovel, he's dug our grave deep enough.

14. Oh no, there's plenty of blame to go around, pelosi, reid, Byrd, Kennedy, Boxer, Barney............................................
And a slew of guttless republicans.

15. Real pretty. But this socialist pig is not struggling as he ruins this nation.
What the hell is positive about 9.5% unemployment?

Unemployment is what it is because of Barroid. Because, employers are afraid to commit to new people because they never know what new "guideline" will be stingently laid out by the new master of business. He has business paralyzed.

Damn right I did, but I wasn't the one who said it didn't matter after arguing for so long that it did matter (when it was the other guys fault, of course)

Quit being a hypocrite.

And again, bush didn't? See when it's Obama's fault he is to blame and when it's bush's fault it's just the economic cycle.

Quit being a hypocrite.

Bush is a liberal now? The congress of the last 8 years was liberal controlled?

for the 3rd time, quit being a hypocrite.

TERRORISTS ON AMERICAN SOIL!?!?!

No, please go on. I'm interested in hearing your conspiracy theories.

So they are "Obama". I didn't realize that there was more than one of him, must be that secret presidential cloning device they have hidden in the white house.

and you still haven't explained what standards you are talking about.

I can't believe what I am hearing.

I suppose money is more important than HUMAN ***ING LIVES!?

You sicken me!

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The government is not telling them how to spend their money anymore than they have for the last hundred years. The government is only telling the auto industries how to spend the money THAT THE GOVERNMENT GAVE THEM. It's like giving a homeless guy money and telling him not to spend it on booze and hookers.

Have you ever given someone money with certain stipulations? I guarantee just about every parent has. This is no different.

I'm tired of hearing your overactive paranoia.

And that is not a safety concern? If it is not under control soon it will be a national issue. But I suppose you don't think pumping poisonous gases into the air is a safety issue.

It went over your head. Not surprising.

Ya know besides closing down a facility with one of the biggest human rights abuse violations of industrialized nations and besides having open dialogue with foreign nations, and besides adjusting the tax bracket to favor the poor, and besides phasing out iraq and focusing on Afghanistan, and besides pioneering legislature that would allow stem cell research .

Besides these things.

I have no idea what this means. Perhaps some grammatical revision would clarify what you are attempting to say or you know some commas would help.

And he's a poopy-head too!

C'mon you know you want to say it.

You're a psychic now?

Barroid? Is this some stupid nickname you came up with?

I can say that it certainly doesn't help people take you seriously.

Well, thank you.



You position runs on fear. Your paranoia is fear-driven and it feeds on that fear. Fear of what Obama is and what he plans to do. You fear change.

Your stance is based on raw emotion, not reason. You've let your emotion cloud your judgment. And you are intent on thrusting this fear onto everyone else.

The mere fact that you proclaim he is going to do all these evil things and then state that he has done nothing and isn't experienced enough to do anything is proof of this irrational fear, even if your own words conflict with each other.

If Obama tries to fix it-- blame him

If Obama does nothing-- blame him


Hell, you're even blaming him for things that are completely out of his control. The failure of the bailout to save these companies was out of Obama's control, if those billions of dollars could not save them then no amount of money would.

You're being totally irrational.

But let's not forget your favorite.

I suppose the unemployment rate is his fault too? You are classic. The fact that the unemployment rate was on the rise before he even took office doesn't phase you.

In true conservative form you don't let the facts get in the way of what you know is right. :rollinglaugh:

Name one. Go ahead, I challenge you.

Unemployment went past the 8% Barroid said the stimulus would stop it at. No one can account for most of the stimulus money.
Military is still in Iraq. Taxes are going to skyrocket. Government owns 61% of GM and Chrysler. Bush is to blame of course, he caved in to the majorities of the houses and thus this down fall began.

"Unemployment went past the 8% Barroid said the stimulus would stop it at."

I've yet to verify such a claim, but even if he did say that it doesn't mean he is the cause, it just means he underestimated the severity.

YouTube - The Obama Stimulus: Predictions vs. Reality

Not the proof, but a good video none the less. And if you haven't verified it, you haven't tried.

Like I said he underestimated the severity.

Your video assumes that the loses had we have done nothing were correct, this just doesn't seem to be the case.

How exactly do you figure it "doesn't seem the case"? Wishful thinking? THe fact is that the Obamanation is doing exactly what got America into this problem, and he is doing it more than any other president in history, yes, even Bush. If you owe someone $2,000, and you borrow $10,000 to pay them back, you arne't out of debt $2,000, you are further in debt by $8,000. The Obamanation is ruining our country just like individuals ruin their lives by living beyond their means, and borrowing too much until they are 6' under in debt.

YOU CAN NOT BORROW YOUR WAY OUT OF DEBT!!!!

The differnece between an individual going bankrupt, and Obama bankrupting the nation is that the individual isn't going to destroy our country.

Two words: Too late.

Where exactly was this oh... four years ago? Hidden behind a yellow magnetic ribbon I imagine.

Fail. I guess you missed all my rants against BUshCo, and his agenda. Now stop diverting, and get pasted the partisan hackery and admit Obama is wrong, and that you can not spend your way out of debt, or in your partisan blindness does reality not exist?

More diversion, endless diversion.

But of course. It's not a matter of "what" we would have you believe. It's a matter of your owning up to the fact that you are a socialist. A disease that you know that history has proven to be a failure. No matter how wonderful the promises made for the sake of fooling the masses. They are easy to fool. As proven over and over through history. But, reality always comes around to slap them in the face. Usually after a strongman comes to power and decides that he needs to eliminate anyone who opposes him or his agenda. Then after that, anyone who displeases his underlings.

Wrong, Both socialism and capitalism have failed. That is why you have to have a mixture of the two.

We have too much capitalism in this country and are fast becoming a backward nation.

Hard working men and women are being ripped off by private insurance companies.

We have millions without health insurance,

YOU CAN NOT BORROW YOUR WAY OUT OF DEBT!!!!