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The Danger of Obama

 
 
g-man
 
Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2009 03:13 pm
Obama, who's past is wrapped with anti-Americans and offers un-specified change and has the press licking his feet will bring about changes such as drive us back to the constitution or destroy the constitution.
Obama, has exposed to us "already" his level of loyalty. He has dropped all controversial associations like hot potatoes. Shortly after being challenged concerning their past or their beliefs. Exposing that no one matters more than the power that came from "success".
Or, he has told them that he will disown them until he has a firm grip on the power that he pursued. Which is the scenario that I believe has occurred. Thus their silence. None of which silence was ever a tool.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2009 01:55 am
@g-man,
g-man;63463 wrote:
Obama is the devil


:p


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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2009 06:23 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/06/11/gop_cry1.jpg

That is all.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2009 08:28 am
g-man;63534 wrote:
Is that the best you can do? Will you not defend your king?


Who said he was my king, heck he wasn't even my first choice, but i certainly don't think he is going to end America as we know, as you imply. There is nothing in your post worth debunking anyway since it is all speculation and hearsay anyway.
g-man
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2009 08:32 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;63536 wrote:
Who said he was my king, heck he wasn't even my first choice, but i certainly don't think he is going to end America as we know, as you imply. There is nothing in your post worth debunking anyway since it is all speculation and hearsay anyway.


What part of it is speculation>?
Did he or not dis-associate himself from his America hating pastor only after weeks of airing of his God-damn America sermon?
Did he, or not dis-associate himself from his friend Bill Ayers?
Has he or has he not made statements that America must change and not specify how it should change?
g-man
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2009 08:36 am
@g-man,
By the way, Fatal was responding to my previous post in which I asked the question,"Is that the best you can do? Will you not defend your King"?

I deleted it so as to simply ask "Will you not defend your King"?
Fatal was too fast for me.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2009 08:53 am
@g-man,
g-man;63537 wrote:
What part of it is speculation>?
Did he or not dis-associate himself from his America hating pastor only after weeks of airing of his God-damn America sermon?
Did he, or not dis-associate himself from his friend Bill Ayers?
Has he or has he not made statements that America must change and not specify how it should change?


You said he "wrapped himself with anti-americans" which is quite different from what you are now saying.
Freeman15
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2009 05:47 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
The true danger in an Obama adiminstration lies not in his loyalty or disloyalty, but to his adherence to a bankrupt and unworkable theory of political economy. This, coupled with a spineless Congress (all of whom will keep quiet for the next four years, blue and red), this poses serious concerns for anybody with any measure of education.

1. The current economic crisis was caused and is being exacerbated by government intrusion into the free market. Obama does not believe this, and apparently learned nothing from the failure of the New Deal, and thus will seek even broader government control of the economy, which in turn will lead to further economic trouble.

2. The Republican Party, seeking election gains in 2010 will remain quiet and pose little real opposition to the Obama agenda. Moderate democrats wishing to retain party backing will similarly keep quiet and so Obama and his core supporters will be insulated from criticism or intelligent thought in Bush administration fashion. This will give Obama the same carte blanche control of the government that Bush had for the first six years of his administration, and Obama's unworkable, illogical, and historically defeated ideology of government ownership of the means of production will be forced on the American economy during a time of economic uncertainty. Much like the New Deal precipitated the recession of 1937, Obama's plans will ultimately slow or even halt economic recovery in the United States.

3. With this new economic intrusion will come tighter controls on commerce, and thus a paradigm shift from the capitalist to socialist schools of thought, the latter of which dictates communal ownership of property. Since economic regulation is in fact the usurpation of property rights, the American psyche will shift from one of innovation and capitalization to one of careerism and croneyism seen in the late USSR. The economy will slow to an unsustainable pace, and ultimately re-capitalization will occur.

Now, since we know that re-capitalization will occur, many of you who so ignorantly voted for "change" (or for the black guy, whichever) will ask, "then why not give it a shot?" Well my friends, America does not exist in a bubble, and while our government cripples our economy and spends us into debt, our rivals abroad (namely The Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China) will continually gain our lost marketshare, until one of them becomes the new hegemon, or the strongest pole in a newly formed multi-polar world. Thus, re-capitalization will occur not under the auspices of free trade, but under the terms of mercantilist thought forced upon us by people not as caring as ourselves.

Because our countrymen failed to think, and chose instead to cast their vote for a vague message of "change", America has surrendered its superpower status to countries who don't particularly like their rival across the Pacific. I remind you all that offering "change" to people in a bad situation doesn't necessarily mean that the "change" is good. Amputating a man's arm because he cut his hand is "change", and that's the sort of change that the uneducated masses give us.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2009 08:53 am
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;63551 wrote:
The true danger in an Obama adiminstration lies not in his loyalty or disloyalty, but to his adherence to a bankrupt and unworkable theory of political economy. This, coupled with a spineless Congress (all of whom will keep quiet for the next four years, blue and red), this poses serious concerns for anybody with any measure of education.

1. The current economic crisis was caused and is being exacerbated by government intrusion into the free market. Obama does not believe this, and apparently learned nothing from the failure of the New Deal, and thus will seek even broader government control of the economy, which in turn will lead to further economic trouble.

2. The Republican Party, seeking election gains in 2010 will remain quiet and pose little real opposition to the Obama agenda. Moderate democrats wishing to retain party backing will similarly keep quiet and so Obama and his core supporters will be insulated from criticism or intelligent thought in Bush administration fashion. This will give Obama the same carte blanche control of the government that Bush had for the first six years of his administration, and Obama's unworkable, illogical, and historically defeated ideology of government ownership of the means of production will be forced on the American economy during a time of economic uncertainty. Much like the New Deal precipitated the recession of 1937, Obama's plans will ultimately slow or even halt economic recovery in the United States.

3. With this new economic intrusion will come tighter controls on commerce, and thus a paradigm shift from the capitalist to socialist schools of thought, the latter of which dictates communal ownership of property. Since economic regulation is in fact the usurpation of property rights, the American psyche will shift from one of innovation and capitalization to one of careerism and croneyism seen in the late USSR. The economy will slow to an unsustainable pace, and ultimately re-capitalization will occur.

Now, since we know that re-capitalization will occur, many of you who so ignorantly voted for "change" (or for the black guy, whichever) will ask, "then why not give it a shot?" Well my friends, America does not exist in a bubble, and while our government cripples our economy and spends us into debt, our rivals abroad (namely The Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China) will continually gain our lost marketshare, until one of them becomes the new hegemon, or the strongest pole in a newly formed multi-polar world. Thus, re-capitalization will occur not under the auspices of free trade, but under the terms of mercantilist thought forced upon us by people not as caring as ourselves.

Because our countrymen failed to think, and chose instead to cast their vote for a vague message of "change", America has surrendered its superpower status to countries who don't particularly like their rival across the Pacific. I remind you all that offering "change" to people in a bad situation doesn't necessarily mean that the "change" is good. Amputating a man's arm because he cut his hand is "change", and that's the sort of change that the uneducated masses give us.


This has less to do with Obama than politicians in general.
Freeman15
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2009 09:10 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;63553 wrote:
This has less to do with Obama than politicians in general.


No, it is unique to Obama's situation given his policy preferences and the state of international economics. Read a book.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2009 10:20 am
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;63555 wrote:
No, it is unique to Obama's situation given his policy preferences and the state of international economics. Read a book.


please explain to me how this is supposedly unique to Obama


" With this new economic intrusion will come tighter controls on commerce, and thus a paradigm shift from the capitalist to socialist schools of thought, the latter of which dictates communal ownership of property. Since economic regulation is in fact the usurpation of property rights, the American psyche will shift from one of innovation and capitalization to one of careerism and croneyism seen in the late USSR. The economy will slow to an unsustainable pace, and ultimately re-capitalization will occur."
g-man
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2009 12:50 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;63544 wrote:
You said he "wrapped himself with anti-americans" which is quite different from what you are now saying.


You have to split hairs because you can't or won't address the content.
g-man
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2009 01:19 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;63561 wrote:
please explain to me how this is supposedly unique to Obama


" With this new economic intrusion will come tighter controls on commerce, and thus a paradigm shift from the capitalist to socialist schools of thought, the latter of which dictates communal ownership of property. Since economic regulation is in fact the usurpation of property rights, the American psyche will shift from one of innovation and capitalization to one of careerism and croneyism seen in the late USSR. The economy will slow to an unsustainable pace, and ultimately re-capitalization will occur."


It may not be "unique" to Obama, but he is the one with his hand on the controls. That is why it applies to him. He will be the "one" that puts America on it's knees.
I do give the man credit due him. He is smooth tongued and courageous. He is the only politician "to be clear" as he loves to say, that has openly spouted his socialist agenda and not only maintained a following, but turned the media into drooling lapdogs. Pay attention to Chris Matthews when you can. I think he gets wet every time he talks about the Messiah.
Oh, when I was giving Obama credit, I left one thing out, "arrogant".
Laughing his ass off at black America, white America, all America.
However, with my vitriol spoken and shook off now, Obama won't destroy American capitalism. We have the resources to be a power and once he has exposed the absurdity of socialism in a "get-r-done" nation he'll fade away and we'll get back to business.
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Freeman15
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2009 11:02 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;63561 wrote:
please explain to me how this is supposedly unique to Obama


" With this new economic intrusion will come tighter controls on commerce, and thus a paradigm shift from the capitalist to socialist schools of thought, the latter of which dictates communal ownership of property. Since economic regulation is in fact the usurpation of property rights, the American psyche will shift from one of innovation and capitalization to one of careerism and croneyism seen in the late USSR. The economy will slow to an unsustainable pace, and ultimately re-capitalization will occur."


No country in human history has gone from the capitalist model, to the socialist model, and then back to the capitalist model. Moving from capitalism to socialism represents a step backward in human development, and societies generally strive to prevent such regression.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 08:22 am
@g-man,
g-man;63563 wrote:
You have to split hairs because you can't or won't address the content.


Hardly is such splitting hairs.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 08:24 am
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;63570 wrote:
No country in human history has gone from the capitalist model, to the socialist model, and then back to the capitalist model. Moving from capitalism to socialism represents a step backward in human development, and societies generally strive to prevent such regression.


You didn't answer the question, merely spouting of your own irrational fear-mongering.
Freeman15
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jan, 2009 01:37 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;63578 wrote:
You didn't answer the question, merely spouting of your own irrational fear-mongering.


Actually I did answer the question, you just chose not to read it.

It is UNIQUE to OBAMA relative to OTHER POLITICIANS because his policies represent a REGRESSION in HUMAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I used BIG words so you'd pick up on it.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jan, 2009 03:10 am
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;63594 wrote:
Actually I did answer the question, you just chose not to read it.

It is UNIQUE to OBAMA relative to OTHER POLITICIANS because his policies represent a REGRESSION in HUMAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I used BIG words so you'd pick up on it.


By asserting he will lead us to communism, which has ZERO basis in reality. Again this is just speculation and fear-mongering.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jan, 2009 05:39 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;63601 wrote:
By asserting he will lead us to communism, which has ZERO basis in reality. Again this is just speculation and fear-mongering.


The Conservative attack method is simple.

Opponents abroad? Terrorists. (Added 2001 (c)neoCON)

Opponents domestic? Communists.

C'mon, McCarthy taught us this! He did nothing but speculate and fear monger. Hermann Goering said it even better:

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
Freeman15
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jan, 2009 02:23 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;63601 wrote:
By asserting he will lead us to communism, which has ZERO basis in reality. Again this is just speculation and fear-mongering.


I asserted no such thing. Surely you know the difference between socialism and communism.
 

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