Rush Limbaugh to go to prison!?

@Fatal Freedoms,

Fatal,

My first point focused on hypocrisy: when a radical Liberal justifies violence, that's OK. When a conservative announces that violence can be justified on occasion, the left is all over him.

Stats: Google "Gallup and Health Care"--it was all over the net.

The first video shows Rush's consistency but you have to listen. Someone can be a good father and a poor husband. He can be a poor worker, a great husband and a great father.

Rush supports the Presidential Office but not the Liberal agenda. He wants the country to succeed and Liberal policies to fail.

He was also calling Obama's bluff. Rush was saying, if Obama truly wants to cooperate with Republicans--well here I am. Of course Obama doesn't care about bipartisanship nor what the majority of American want for that matter. Obama will not meet the challenge showing his hypocrisy.

The first part of the second video needs to be placed back in time. The Chaos approach occurred because Obama was and is a Radical Liberal and the Democrats who voted for him did not know how Liberal. People were also voting for him without a clue of what he meant by "Change" because he would be the first minority president. That was Rush's point all along: vote him into office but please learn what he stands for if not, we need to see that he looses.

The second part of the video was in response to the abuse of the system at the hands of the Democrats. It is one thing to fight for sensible voting and another to have damaging bills rammed down the throats of the majority because of open voting.

Anyone can construe hypocrisy by 1) taking statements out of context 2) not paying attention to definitions. Such as there is the definition of bipartisanship and "what really happens" which generates a new and unrecognizable definition and 3) shifting criteria.

Liberalism is about control and not freedom. They want to regulate and tax people into their grave in support of Socialism. The more control they have the more fatalistic is our future.

Also, Liberalism is fatal to the future of this country. They are eroding the spirit that made this country the best in the world. That may sound cheesy but once you visit other countries it becomes very clear.

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@Anton Artaud,

Anton Artaud;71393 wrote:

Fatal,

My first point focused on hypocrisy: when a radical Liberal justifies violence, that's OK. When a conservative announces that violence can be justified on occasion, the left is all over him.

Again we aren't talking about someone who agrees with a riot we are talking about someone who is starting one....HUGE difference.

It's called sedition.

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Stats: Google "Gallup and Health Care"--it was all over the net.

the only gallup numbers I've seen are these numbers:

By Slim Margin, Americans Support Healthcare Bill's Passage

So I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but according to the Gallup poll what you said is wrong.

But let's suppose for a minute that a slim majority were against the bill, where was the outrage when Bush won presidency? Do you remember that Bush actually lost the popular vote, and yet he still became president?

Where was the outrage?

A bunch of hypocrites these people are.

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The first video shows Rush's consistency but you have to listen. Someone can be a good father and a poor husband. He can be a poor worker, a great husband and a great father.

Rush supports the Presidential Office but not the Liberal agenda. He wants the country to succeed and Liberal policies to fail.

Saying you support bipartisanship in one sentence and then saying you hope the liberals will fail in the next. Is hypocritical.

Saying we should support the president because he is the president but then not supporting the president when you disagree with him, is hypocritical.

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He was also calling Obama's bluff. Rush was saying, if Obama truly wants to cooperate with Republicans--well here I am. Of course Obama doesn't care about bipartisanship nor what the majority of American want for that matter. Obama will not meet the challenge showing his hypocrisy.

Obama tried to cooperate with republicans. He asked the republicans for solutions on how to fix healthcare, and he got none. He offered to give a tax cut to entrepreneurs, and they shot him down.

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The first part of the second video needs to be placed back in time. The Chaos approach occurred because Obama was and is a Radical Liberal and the Democrats who voted for him did not know how Liberal. People were also voting for him without a clue of what he meant by "Change" because he would be the first minority president. That was Rush's point all along: vote him into office but please learn what he stands for if not, we need to see that he looses.

You mean a politician is not like he was portrayed in ad campaigns? Call the press!

That's why you vote him out in the next election, like we have been doing for the past 200 years.

You gonna riot every time there is a politician you don't like? Despite all the hooplah, no one seems to be able to explain exactly how this administration is any different than any other.

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The second part of the video was in response to the abuse of the system at the hands of the Democrats. It is one thing to fight for sensible voting and another to have damaging bills rammed down the throats of the majority because of open voting.

Any bill a person does not agree with can be viewed as "damaging", how exactly is this any different? How exactly is the system being abused? Can you be more specific?

Anyone can construe hypocrisy by 1) taking statements out of context 2) not paying attention to definitions. Such as there is the definition of bipartisanship and "what really happens" which generates a new and unrecognizable definition and 3) shifting criteria.

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Liberalism is about control and not freedom. They want to regulate and tax people into their grave in support of Socialism. The more control they have the more fatalistic is our future.

Yeah, that's exactly what it's about. *rolls eyes*

How can a trust what you say when you can't even accurately represent opposing views without misrepresenting them?

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Also, Liberalism is fatal to the future of this country. They are eroding the spirit that made this country the best in the world. That may sound cheesy but once you visit other countries it becomes very clear.

And what spirit is that?

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@Fatal Freedoms,

It seems that some people love this country for the wrong reasons. We should love this country because the leaders of our revolution rebelled against British authoritarilanism and colonialism. We should not love it becouse it makes it impossible for millions not to have health insusance in the past and often makes it very hard for minorities to earn a good living We love winners and don't even like to think about losers.

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@thomascrosthwaite,

Fatal,

I will pull the quote:

"Limbaugh said with massive riots in Denver, which he called part of "Operation Chaos," the people on the far left would look bad.

He also said:

"There won't be riots at our convention," Limbaugh said of the Republican National Convention. "We don't riot. We don't burn our cars. We don't burn down our houses. We don't kill our children. We don't do half the things the American left does."

So, he did not demand for a riot and it has not happened.

Health Care

Americans Still Leaning Against Healthcare Legislation

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@Anton Artaud,

Anton Artaud;71470 wrote:

Fatal,

I will pull the quote:

"Limbaugh said with massive riots in Denver, which he called part of "Operation Chaos," the people on the far left would look bad.

He implied it, which is why he is still a free man.

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He also said:

"There won't be riots at our convention," Limbaugh said of the Republican National Convention. "We don't riot. We don't burn our cars. We don't burn down our houses. We don't kill our children. We don't do half the things the American left does."

He's right, no republican has ever committed murder, or arson EVER. Only the democrats do that.

what a tool.

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So, he did not demand for a riot and it has not happened.

Health Care

Americans Still Leaning Against Healthcare Legislation

This poll is from November 2009. The poll I showed was from March 2010. Your figures are no longer correct.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

Fatal_Freedoms;71471 wrote:

He implied it, which is why he is still a free man.

Make up your mind! Did he demand people to riot or imply it?

He's right, no republican has ever committed murder, or arson EVER. Only the democrats do that.

what a tool.

He said but "we" do not riot and cause personal and property damage, intimating, as a modern society and as modern Republicans, this issue was not sufficient reason to riot.

You know it does not take a linguist to shift criteria and play with language to make a vacuous point. This is not debating.

This poll is from November 2009. The poll I showed was from March 2010. Your figures are no longer correct.

Well, you shifted again. We were talking about open ballots--remember? He was upset by the majority of people being against the reform and the politicians where still pushing for passage. That did not occur in 2010 but 2009. Furthermore, I never mentioned a date. Stay focused.

If you keep moving the target--there's not much sense in continuing this discussion

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@Anton Artaud,

Anton Artaud;71472 wrote:

Make up your mind! Did he demand people to riot or imply it?

He said but "we" do not riot and cause personal and property damage, intimating, as a modern society and as modern Republicans, this issue was not sufficient reason to riot.

You know it does not take a linguist to shift criteria and play with language to make a vacuous point. This is not debating.

I never said he was guilty. I was merely talking about the case itself, and the warrant. Which was certainly justified.

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Well, you shifted again. We were talking about open ballots--remember? He was upset by the majority of people being against the reform and the politicians where still pushing for passage. That did not occur in 2010 but 2009. Furthermore, I never mentioned a date. Stay focused.

You said and I quote: "When the majority of the population is against the liberal health care plan"

you did not say "was against"

First of all you should realize that voters frequently change their minds.

When it's 44% for and 49% against, a bill you really can't complain that the majority is being ignored. That's only a 5% difference, and there is a 4% margin of error. Especially when you still have a year between that time and when the vote actually happens.

By this logic we would have to immediately throw out any bill, if even a slight majority is against it at any time before the vote. That's absurd!

If anything, this just shows how desperate Rush and his contemporaries are. He's grasping at absolutely anything he thinks he can use to justify his actions and words.

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Well, you shifted again. We were talking about open ballots--remember? He was upset by the majority of people being against the reform and the politicians where still pushing for passage. That did not occur in 2010 but 2009. Furthermore, I never mentioned a date. Stay focused.

Except it doesn't matter what the majority believes BEFORE the vote, it only matters what the majority believes DURING the vote.

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If you keep moving the target--there's not much sense in continuing this discussion

Nobody is moving anything, you can either corroborate your rhetoric with the evidence or you cannot. Your argument is falling apart rather easily.

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@Fatal Freedoms,

Fatal,

If Rush is not guilty of doing anything then why bring him up? It is one thing to incite a riot by urging one to take place and another to say the same thing but followed by" but we don't do those things' in the next breathe.

That is nothing compared to Maxine Waters spending days justifying the LA riots and even said "what do you expect?"

Then there is Jeremiah Wright. Can you imagine Rush talking like him on the radio? The liberals would hang him. What's the difference? We are talking about liberals being televised by liberals through liberal media, with liberal pundits doing the assessments. Most national news is developed in New York. All journalists know this and the liberal bias is inescapable.

The senators, where the majority of the populous was against the health care in their state, were ignoring their own constituency and voting for it. I don't mean just being polled against it but they held protests. That does not happen often. Callers were furious.

The video had 2 time frames and we were talking about contradictions--if you recall. There is no "is" if we are talking about an event that happened in 2009.

Look let's settle this:

Your right--you are always right--you will always be right--and I will be always wrong--there--you got what you wanted--I'm done.
This is not debating.

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@Anton Artaud,

Again

When it's 44% for and 49% against, a bill you really can't complain that the majority is being ignored. That's only a 5% difference, and there is a 4% margin of error.

This is something you've yet to acknowledge.

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@thomascrosthwaite,

thomascrosthwaite;68840 wrote:

While believing in free speech there is such a thing as accountability. Where does honest opinion end and lies and smears began? Learning,Speech,&Attention Defects | Man with learning disabilities, communication disorders, ADHD, becomes author.

Limbaugh's show is based on quoting liberals from their own publications and playing the recordings from their own propaganda. That is what makes Rush extremely accountable for the information he provides. Now, from that he of course has his own conservative interpretation but the facts are still accurate.

Listen to his show and find out. He can't retain being a member of the top 5% of talk show hosts if he did not say what people are thinking.

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