Numpty
 
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Reply Mon 25 May, 2009 03:15 am
@g-man,
g-man;65273 wrote:
As you all say, who cares who marries who. Who cares that creeps who can't figure out how their parts work or that round doesn't work in square.

Actually it's not phobia that drives the anti-queer marrying crowd. Nor is it the love of marriage that drives the queers to want to get married.

It's money. The queers want the benefits that come with marriage. They add nothing to the gene pool nor society except for pornographic marches and a few diseases. But, they want the benefits. That's it and that's all.


You sad narrow minded little man. (Admin ban me if you want).

This is the same damaging homophobic nonsense idiots like you trawl around over and over again. That's right it doesnt matter who marries who. Man to Man women to women, man to women, as long you are happy and harm no-one in the process, what the hell has it got to do with you?

Against the bible is it? Funny how there are now gay people in the clergy.

Red-neck inbreads like yourself need to get out more and experience the richness of this planet. :no:
g-man
 
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Reply Mon 25 May, 2009 03:22 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;65275 wrote:
You sad narrow minded little man. (Admin ban me if you want).

This is the same damaging homophobic nonsense idiots like you trawl around over and over again. That's right it doesnt matter who marries who. Man to Man women to women, man to women, as long you are happy and harm no-one in the process, what the hell has it got to do with you?

Against the bible is it? Funny how there are now gay people in the clergy.

Red-neck inbreads like yourself need to get out more and experience the richness of this planet. :no:


Sorry, you must've mis-understood. I don't give a hoot either. Let the nasties disease themselves into existence. I just don't see them as worthy of any benefits based on their personal preferences.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Mon 25 May, 2009 04:54 am
@g-man,
g-man;65276 wrote:
Sorry, you must've mis-understood. I don't give a hoot either. Let the nasties disease themselves into existence. I just don't see them as worthy of any benefits based on their personal preferences.


And I view you the exact same way. Gonna settle for a "civil union" or are you saying that certain things are only for the "Right" kind of people?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 25 May, 2009 05:09 am
@g-man,
g-man;65276 wrote:
I just don't see them as worthy of any benefits based on their personal preferences.


I feel the same way about people who dip their pizza in ranch...it's disgusting, people who do that should not be recognized as American citizens.

:rollinglaugh:
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g-man
 
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Reply Mon 25 May, 2009 10:56 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;65277 wrote:
And I view you the exact same way. Gonna settle for a "civil union" or are you saying that certain things are only for the "Right" kind of people?


Right kind of people? No. I don't believe in "benefits" for anybody. Other than what they are able to accumulate on their own through savings, investments, hard work or individual negotiation. Benefits require the government stealing from it's citizens for the sake of re-distribution. An act of evil. Stated as kindly as I can muster.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 01:48 am
@g-man,
g-man;65286 wrote:
Right kind of people? No. I don't believe in "benefits" for anybody. Other than what they are able to accumulate on their own through savings, investments, hard work or individual negotiation. Benefits require the government stealing from it's citizens for the sake of re-distribution. An act of evil. Stated as kindly as I can muster.


So you're against all forms of gov-recognized marriage?
g-man
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 02:04 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;65293 wrote:
So you're against all forms of gov-recognized marriage?


My concern is not with marriage of any kind. My issue is the use of any reason to demand a benefit from the coffers that are stolen from the people.
All people should save from their own labors to ensure their own security. The act of getting married should not entitle anyone security provided by government. Especially based on a preference.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 02:07 am
@g-man,
g-man;65297 wrote:
My concern is not with marriage of any kind. My issue is the use of any reason to demand a benefit from the coffers that are stolen from the people.
All people should save from their own labors to ensure their own security. The act of getting married should not entitle anyone security provided by government. Especially based on a preference.


Then you'd be fine with gay marriage if there were no benefits as long as straight marriages had no benefits either?
g-man
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 02:17 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;65298 wrote:
Then you'd be fine with gay marriage if there were no benefits as long as straight marriages had no benefits either?


That's right. Long as they stay away from me, no problems.
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Numpty
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 05:41 am
@g-man,
g-man;65297 wrote:
My concern is not with marriage of any kind. My issue is the use of any reason to demand a benefit from the coffers that are stolen from the people.
All people should save from their own labors to ensure their own security. The act of getting married should not entitle anyone security provided by government. Especially based on a preference.


All benefits? even those who are injured working?
g-man
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2009 08:20 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;65303 wrote:
All benefits? even those who are injured working?


If a person at work, regardless of if they accept appendages into their rectum and/or their mouth or not , is hurt at work through no fault of their own, should be cared for by the company they work for or hopefully have prepared themselves for eventualities which can change their world. The government should play no part in these events.
Numpty
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 03:35 am
@g-man,
g-man;65314 wrote:
If a person at work, regardless of if they accept appendages into their rectum and/or their mouth or not , is hurt at work through no fault of their own, should be cared for by the company they work for or hopefully have prepared themselves for eventualities which can change their world. The government should play no part in these events.


So what about their dependants under 16?
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Thu 28 May, 2009 08:19 pm
@g-man,
g-man;65286 wrote:
Right kind of people? No. I don't believe in "benefits" for anybody. Other than what they are able to accumulate on their own through savings, investments, hard work or individual negotiation. Benefits require the government stealing from it's citizens for the sake of re-distribution. An act of evil. Stated as kindly as I can muster.


Then, if you are married, file single. If you have children, file single with no dependents. Convince everyone in your family to do this.

Money. Mouth. Put it. It'll either remove the hypocrisy or shut you up. Either is suitable.
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NotHereForLong
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 07:47 am
@NotHereForLong,
"Then, if you are married, file single. If you have children, file single with no dependents. Convince everyone in your family to do this.

Money. Mouth. Put it. It'll either remove the hypocrisy or shut you up. Either is suitable."

I don't see accepting tax benefits even if he's against tax benefits as being hypocritical. If he didn't accept them, he'd have less money and what would he have gained from it? Nothing. It wouldn't change anything. And I don't expect ppl to sacrifice their own self interests in futility.
NotHereForLong
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 08:12 am
@NotHereForLong,
"I consider homosexuality to be a perversion of our natural function and so therefore I feel that gay marriage is a perversion of the natural function of marriage."

Gusto says he's not against homosexual marriage for religious reasons. But i think it does go back to religion because from a naturalistic standpoint, there's no reason to object to it. I mean, he talks about our "natural function". Well, we have no objective "function". Evolution is how we got here and it's what happens in nature, but it has nothing to do with what anyone or anything SHOULD do. And what's so important about being "natural"? Cars aren't natural. Prescription drugs aren't natural. Fast food isn't natural. If he's against anything that's not "natural", then he's against most of 21st century living. The "natural function" argument only makes sense if one invokes God.
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 08:26 am
@NotHereForLong,
NotHereForLong;65328 wrote:
I don't see accepting tax benefits even if he's against tax benefits as being hypocritical. If he didn't accept them, he'd have less money and what would he have gained from it? Nothing. It wouldn't change anything. And I don't expect ppl to sacrifice their own self interests in futility.


So...

They can't marry (something we are fully allowed to do)

They can't get tax benefits (something we are fully allowed to do)

And you bet he'd have less money. So? Is that the reason one gets married? In the end all the reasons people bring up to prevent them from marrying has absolutely nothing to do with the real reason you marry a person.

It's about ideaology and greed. Nothing more. And that, for lack of better words, is disgusting.
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NotHereForLong
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 11:08 am
@NotHereForLong,
I'm not opposing gay marriage or tax benefits or claiming that tax benefits are the reason ppl get married. And the way G-man negatively stereotypes gays to make them into a caricature makes it clear that he's a homophobe. All i'm saying is that if one opposes tax benefits in general, I still think it's ok to take them.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 08:14 pm
@NotHereForLong,
NotHereForLong;65332 wrote:
I'm not opposing gay marriage or tax benefits or claiming that tax benefits are the reason ppl get married. And the way G-man negatively stereotypes gays to make them into a caricature makes it clear that he's a homophobe. All i'm saying is that if one opposes tax benefits in general, I still think it's ok to take them.


I think drinking is a sin! Pass me a cold, frosty, tall one!

Gambling is wrong! Put ten bucks down on number five to win!

I'm a green guy, save the earth and all! Be back, gotta go top off the tank of my Hummer!


hypocrite (n): a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings



Can I make myself any clearer?
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NotHereForLong
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 11:02 pm
@NotHereForLong,
"I think drinking is a sin! Pass me a cold, frosty, tall one!

Gambling is wrong! Put ten bucks down on number five to win!"

If someone thinks something is morally wrong, then they're a hypocrite if they do it. But that's not really what we're talking about. We're talking about disagreeing with policy. If your own personal actions aren't going to change the policy or the results of the policy, then they're somewhat irrelevant. That's just how i see it... probably because i'm a pessimistic cynic.
g-man
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2009 10:35 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;65316 wrote:
So what about their dependants under 16?


The government should play no part in these events.
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