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Church of England to Apologise to Darwin

 
 
Campbell34
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2008 07:39 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;61862 wrote:
People also see bigfoot, lochness monster, ghosts, yeti, chupacabra, and even a leprechaun sighting. People have claimed to see all sorts of things, and yet they are all unreliable. The all share common characteristics in the trend of these sightings. These are simply cases of mistaken identity.

If you watch a documentary about UFOs on TV and then go look out side, your mind has been preconditioned to be more susceptible to UFO sightings.

Secondly the human eye has a tendency to look for patterns or commonality in seemingly random things, this is an acquired evolutionary trait. Humans in the earlier part of our history have had to rely on our vision to detect hidden threats so we are very sensitive to look for faces in everything and our survival has depended on it. Suppose you are wandering in the woods and you catch something out of the corner of your eye that you think is a bear, if you are correct you may have had an advanced warning that could save your life but if you are wrong and it is just a tree stump or a rock then you have nothing to loose so we are more likely to see it as a bear. This survival trait has carried over into other things as well such as a child seeing shapes out of clouds.



The vast majority are simply cases of mistaken identity and the others are hoaxes.



and all of them are fuzzy.



Are you seriously comparing UFO sightings to WWII? World war two is one of the most well documented events in history, UFO sightings are dubious at best.




So all past sighting are mistaken identity? Where's your proof? You are making an assumption without any scientific evidence. Prove to me by the scientific method that all of these sightings are mistaken identity.

So how does my preconditiond mind allow images of ufos to appear on radar screens around the world?

And I might add, that ufos firsted appeared during World War II. Both American and German pilots began reporting them, and each side though they were from the others air force, and were some kind of seceret new weapon.

And shapes of clouds cannot be tracked on radar making 90 degree turns at 3,000 miles an hour. Nor can clouds account for nuclear missile lunch codes being changed when they appear near the ground.

Your assumptions can only be believed if you continue to ignore the facts.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2008 08:56 am
@Campbell34,
hearsay is not even worthy of my time to refute, until you have some real evidence i have nothing to proven nor disprove.

Not only do you assume UFOs are anything other than mistaken identity but you:

-Assume that they are ETs.

-Assume they are demonic.

-Assume you know their motives.

-Assume they have some psychic connection




And all of these assumptions are based on what exactly, a moving dot in a fuzzy video? This is a classic example of confirmation bias. There is no logic basis to come to these assumptions.
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Numpty
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 01:33 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;61864 wrote:
So all past sighting are mistaken identity? Where's your proof? You are making an assumption without any scientific evidence. Prove to me by the scientific method that all of these sightings are mistaken identity.

So how does my preconditiond mind allow images of ufos to appear on radar screens around the world?

And I might add, that ufos firsted appeared during World War II. Both American and German pilots began reporting them, and each side though they were from the others air force, and were some kind of seceret new weapon.

And shapes of clouds cannot be tracked on radar making 90 degree turns at 3,000 miles an hour. Nor can clouds account for nuclear missile lunch codes being changed when they appear near the ground.

Your assumptions can only be believed if you continue to ignore the facts.


You too are making assumptions, UFO's are what is says on the tin, UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS.

Read this it explains alot.

http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/7D2B11E0-EA9F-45EA-8883-A3C00546E752/0/uap_exec_summary_dec00.pdf

May I point you to Summary of Findings. Section Cause of UAP Reports.

Also the section KEY FINDINGS OF DEFENCE INTEREST

It also states no objects or items of extra-terestrial origin have ever been handed in.

True enough no-one can say either way for sure. But for you to state you know exactly what they are and what their intentions are is just plain delussion on your behalf.

Read, digest and understand what is in the MOD document
Campbell34
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 01:49 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;61897 wrote:
You too are making assumptions, UFO's are what is says on the tin, UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS.

Read this it explains alot.

http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/7D2B11E0-EA9F-45EA-8883-A3C00546E752/0/uap_exec_summary_dec00.pdf

May I point you to Summary of Findings. Section Cause of UAP Reports.

Also the section KEY FINDINGS OF DEFENCE INTEREST

It also states no objects or items of extra-terestrial origin have ever been handed in.

True enough no-one can say either way for sure. But for you to state you know exactly what they are and what their intentions are is just plain delussion on your behalf.

Read, digest and understand what is in the MOD document


My beliefs are based on a great number of testimonies that have come in from numerous people. These stories are far more detail than evidence we have for such a theory as Evolution, yet I'm sure you would not call a believer in Evolution, delussional. And the evidence that has been presented reveals to us something that appears not to have our best intrest at heart.
Numpty
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 01:57 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;61899 wrote:
My beliefs are based on a great number of testimonies that have come in from numerous people. These stories are far more detail than evidence we have for such a theory as Evolution, yet I'm sure you would not call a believer in Evolution, delussional. And the evidence that has been presented reveals to us something that appears not to have our best intrest at heart.


Well if you read all that in the time from when I posted to now, indeed you are powerful!!

Just read it, go on, read it. you used the British MOD (Ministery of Defence) as reference for your 'evidence' are you now say because it doesn't fit in with your other 'evidence that you are casting it aside?

You have no physical evidence, no fusalage of a craft, no items of clothing, no E.T, infact all you have are grainy photos and evne grainier footage, these testomonies you have are no doubt from people who saw UFO's but again they are just that, unidentified.

You cannot get away from this fact, and that is a fact UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS. You/ we do not know what they are exactly, we can summise, speculate and debate all day, but the simple FACT is we do not know.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 05:33 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;61899 wrote:
My beliefs are based on a great number of testimonies that have come in from numerous people. These stories are far more detail than evidence we have for such a theory as Evolution, yet I'm sure you would not call a believer in Evolution, delussional. And the evidence that has been presented reveals to us something that appears not to have our best intrest at heart.


And i can give you a detailed account of my encounter with the invisible pink unicorn. Yet it would be a completely nonsensical testimony.

and as for evolution, it isn't based on testimonies, it's based on hard evidence.
Campbell34
 
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Reply Sat 25 Oct, 2008 02:35 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;61908 wrote:
And i can give you a detailed account of my encounter with the invisible pink unicorn. Yet it would be a completely nonsensical testimony.

and as for evolution, it isn't based on testimonies, it's based on hard evidence.


Your account of a pink unicorn would only be nonsensical testimony if you were a liar. If it was an event that really happened, and we could see thousands of others who had experienced the same thing, well, a logical person would not dismiss it. However that would require a (logical person) that did not have a built in bias.
As for your belief that Evolution is based on hard evidence, that's a joke. The fact is, more Americans believe in UFOs then Evolution. Most of the evidence that has been presented for Evolution has been shown to be either faked, or misunderstood. And the fossil record still remains the biggest embarasment for Evolution. I believe dinosaurs existed just thousands of years ago because we have depictions of then in ancient art. This is art has shown up in places all over the world. Yet believers in Evolution refuse to believe what they can see with their own eyes. And they do this, because they are the real ones that believe in fables. The art work is hard evidence. Your theories of speculation, and assumptions, do not count for hard evidence. Assumptions and speculation is the only foundation for Evolution. Christians have fulfilled prophecies, and historical records that agree with the Bible, Evolution has nothing like this. To be a true believer in Evolution, it requires you to be a blind faith believer. It also requires that have the ability to ignore, filter out, or deny facts that are presented from the other side.
Numpty
 
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Reply Sat 25 Oct, 2008 02:40 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;61940 wrote:
Your account of a pink unicorn would only be nonsensical testimony if you were a liar. If it was an event that really happened, and we could see thousands of others who had experienced the same thing, well, a logical person would not dismiss it. However that would require a (logical person) that did not have a built in bias.
As for your belief that Evolution is based on hard evidence, that's a joke. The fact is, more Americans believe in UFOs then Evolution. Most of the evidence that has been presented for Evolution has been shown to be either faked, or misunderstood. And the fossil record still remains the biggest embarasment for Evolution. I believe dinosaurs existed just thousands of years ago because we have depictions of then in ancient art. This is art has shown up in places all over the world. Yet believers in Evolution refuse to believe what they can see with their own eyes. And they do this, because they are the real ones that believe in fables. The art work is hard evidence. Your theories of speculation, and assumptions, do not count for hard evidence. Assumptions and speculation is the only foundation for Evolution. Christians have fulfilled prophecies, and historical records that agree with the Bible, Evolution has nothing like this. To be a true believer in Evolution, it requires you to be a blind faith believer. It also requires that have the ability to ignore, filter out, or deny facts that are presented from the other side.


POT, KETTLE, BLACK,...is all I gotta say my friend.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 25 Oct, 2008 07:16 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;61940 wrote:
Your account of a pink unicorn would only be nonsensical testimony if you were a liar.


and if i believed my story would it be any more valid?


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If it was an event that really happened,


that's a big [SIZE="4"]IF[/SIZE]

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and we could see thousands of others who had experienced the same thing, well, a logical person would not dismiss it.


Unless it was a social phenomena then the mass reportings would be easily explained.

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However that would require a (logical person) that did not have a built in bias.


You have your bias as well do I.

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As for your belief that Evolution is based on hard evidence, that's a joke.


I have still yet to hear a single explanation of endogenous retriviral remnants, from ANY creationist EVER despite the many times I've brought it up and over the many years i've been arguing it. Their mysterious silence on this most convincing evidence speak volumes.

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The fact is, more Americans believe in UFOs then Evolution.


Unfortunately truth isn't determined by a consensus of popular opinion.

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Most of the evidence that has been presented for Evolution has been shown to be either faked, or misunderstood.


...or so you claim! But you have failed to demonstrate how.

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And the fossil record still remains the biggest embarrassment for Evolution.


like the archeopteryx? Something creationists claimed would never be found? Or the Australopithecus? Which creationists claimed would never be found and some still deny it. or the Darwin deathbed recantation, which is still circulated today by creationists even though it is a known falsehood? Or the human-Dino footprint which is also a known fraud yet is still circulated by creationists? Or creationists who use radio-carbon dating to date things that "HAVE NO CARBON IN IT!"?

But the big difference here is that all of the "evolutionist" hoaxes have been debunked by other evolutionists whereas creationist hoaxes have been debunked by evolutionists.


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I believe dinosaurs existed just thousands of years ago because we have depictions of then in ancient art.


fraudulent. do you have any genuine evidence?

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This is art has shown up in places all over the world. Yet believers in Evolution refuse to believe what they can see with their own eyes.


like the homo Neanderthal?

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And they do this, because they are the real ones that believe in fables.


fables including talking snakes?

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The art work is hard evidence.


Art by definition is the antonym of science.

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Your theories of speculation, and assumptions, do not count for hard evidence.


and DNA evidence is speculation?

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Assumptions and speculation is the only foundation for Evolution.


Like making a conclusion before finding evidence? creationists have already concluded that the bible and everything in it is true, the is antithetical to open-mindedness and is entirely unscientific, so they must find evidence that fits their preconceived conclusion.

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Christians have fulfilled prophecies, and historical records that agree with the Bible, Evolution has nothing like this.


Most evolutionists are Christians.Wink

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To be a true believer in Evolution, it requires you to be a blind faith believer. It also requires that have the ability to ignore, filter out, or deny facts that are presented from the other side.


Deny things like ERVs, mitochondrial DNA, relative fossil placement, known cases of speciation etc...?


Evolutionary biologist Dolph Schluter and others have discovered that the region contains two species of stickleback, one with a large mouth that feeds on large prey close to shore, the other with a small mouth that feeds on plankton in open water. Both species jointly inhabit five different lakes. Through DNA analysis, scientists have determined that the lakes were colonized independently by common marine ancestors, meaning that the process of sympatric speciation between the two varieties had to have occurred independently at least five times. This seems to indicate a situation of competition for resources that favored stickleback species at either extreme of size, as opposed to those of medium size and medium-sized mouths.
Campbell34
 
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Reply Sat 25 Oct, 2008 10:44 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;61946 wrote:
and if i believed my story would it be any more valid?




that's a big [SIZE="4"]IF[/SIZE]



Unless it was a social phenomena then the mass reportings would be easily explained.



You have your bias as well do I.



I have still yet to hear a single explanation of endogenous retriviral remnants, from ANY creationist EVER despite the many times I've brought it up and over the many years i've been arguing it. Their mysterious silence on this most convincing evidence speak volumes.



Unfortunately truth isn't determined by a consensus of popular opinion.



...or so you claim! But you have failed to demonstrate how.



like the archeopteryx? Something creationists claimed would never be found? Or the Australopithecus? Which creationists claimed would never be found and some still deny it. or the Darwin deathbed recantation, which is still circulated today by creationists even though it is a known falsehood? Or the human-Dino footprint which is also a known fraud yet is still circulated by creationists? Or creationists who use radio-carbon dating to date things that "HAVE NO CARBON IN IT!"?

But the big difference here is that all of the "evolutionist" hoaxes have been debunked by other evolutionists whereas creationist hoaxes have been debunked by evolutionists.




fraudulent. do you have any genuine evidence?



like the homo Neanderthal?



fables including talking snakes?



Art by definition is the antonym of science.



and DNA evidence is speculation?



Like making a conclusion before finding evidence? creationists have already concluded that the bible and everything in it is true, the is antithetical to open-mindedness and is entirely unscientific, so they must find evidence that fits their preconceived conclusion.



Most evolutionists are Christians.Wink



Deny things like ERVs, mitochondrial DNA, relative fossil placement, known cases of speciation etc...?


Evolutionary biologist Dolph Schluter and others have discovered that the region contains two species of stickleback, one with a large mouth that feeds on large prey close to shore, the other with a small mouth that feeds on plankton in open water. Both species jointly inhabit five different lakes. Through DNA analysis, scientists have determined that the lakes were colonized independently by common marine ancestors, meaning that the process of sympatric speciation between the two varieties had to have occurred independently at least five times. This seems to indicate a situation of competition for resources that favored stickleback species at either extreme of size, as opposed to those of medium size and medium-sized mouths.


Ufo's are not just a social Phenomena, because their existance have been confirmed by governments, and they have the ability to appear both on radar and to the human eye at the same time. Social phenomena does not effect radar.

Archeopteryx? This is far from a slam dunk, just as many who would imbrace this fossil, and equal number claim it is a fraud. And stranger still, it appears these fossil are only being found in those areas of the world that have a history of producing fake fossils.

Dinosaurs in ancient art do exist. You simply deny what is there, and you do this with little or no scientific evidence to refute it.

omniology.com
Ancient Dinosaur Depictions

Those who claim to be believers Evolution and claim to be Christians are Christians in name only. And I say that, because Christian believe the whole Bible. Those who say they are Christians and who believe Evolution would be forced to say that the Bible was filled with stories of fiction, especially when it comes to creation. True Christian do not believe God authored a Book of fables.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 25 Oct, 2008 11:33 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;61953 wrote:
Ufo's are not just a social Phenomena, because their existance have been confirmed by governments, and they have the ability to appear both on radar and to the human eye at the same time. Social phenomena does not effect radar.


Of course they appear on radar but that doesn't make them like green men flying in space-ships, UFOs are [SIZE="3"]UNIDENTIFIED[/SIZE] flying objects. If they were known to be ETs then they wouldn't be Unidentified now would they?

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Archeopteryx? This is far from a slam dunk, just as many who would embrace this fossil, and equal number claim it is a fraud. And stranger still, it appears these fossil are only being found in those areas of the world that have a history of producing fake fossils.


:rollinglaugh:

I suppose scientists have faked every archeopteryx ever found? You don't honestly believe there is only one, do you? :thumbup:

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Dinosaurs in ancient art do exist. You simply deny what is there, and you do this with little or no scientific evidence to refute it.


Even if you had undeniable evidence that these art pieces were of dinosaurs and not mythical monsters that still doesn't mean that humans lived with dinosaurs.


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Those who claim to be believers of Evolution and claim to be Christians are Christians in name only. And I say that, because Christian believe the whole Bible. Those who say they are Christians and who believe Evolution would be forced to say that the Bible was filled with stories of fiction, especially when it comes to creation. True Christian do not believe God authored a Book of fables.


And i suppose you're gonna say the pope isn't a christian?

Many Christians interpret the unbelievable parts of the bible as allegories, but of course you would say people who don't have the same literalistic beliefs as you aren't Christians.....typical rhetoric.
Campbell34
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2008 01:10 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;61954 wrote:
Of course they appear on radar but that doesn't make them like green men flying in space-ships, UFOs are [SIZE="3"]UNIDENTIFIED[/SIZE] flying objects. If they were known to be ETs then they wouldn't be Unidentified now would they?



:rollinglaugh:

I suppose scientists have faked every archeopteryx ever found? You don't honestly believe there is only one, do you? :thumbup:



Even if you had undeniable evidence that these art pieces were of dinosaurs and not mythical monsters that still doesn't mean that humans lived with dinosaurs.




And i suppose you're gonna say the pope isn't a christian?

Many Christians interpret the unbelievable parts of the bible as allegories, but of course you would say people who don't have the same literalistic beliefs as you aren't Christians.....typical rhetoric.


It should be obvious that because of many of the ufos movements that have been reported, they would have to be operated by a higher intelligence. Because only an advanced intelligence could navigate in such a way as has been reported. And because of the high speeds that they have been tracked at, we can assume they have a greater and more advanced propulsion system than ours. Also, because of their abilty to make 90 deg. turns while traveling thousands of miles an hour, their ships integrity also would have to be more advanced than ours as well. The ufos are unidentified, yet their demonstrated abilities show us, that their aerodynamics is far more advanced than ours.

I know there is more than one Archeopteryx, yet can you show me one that all science agrees is not a fake? It's not just Bible believers who have draw this conclusion. Please show me one that is considered a slam dunk by all science. And if Darwin believed that the fossil record should be filled with transionals, why do we only have these fossils that come from questionable locations?

The art work came from thousands of years ago, and match what we know were dinosaurs that existed in the past. Ancient man could not of drawn such dinsaurs unless they actually saw them. And their art had knowledge of dinosaurs that we did not know existed until recent times. Also, because of the variety of depictions, we can conclude that early man saw a number of these at one time.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2008 07:30 am
@Campbell34,
Gonna chop this up, no interest in talking UFOs

Campbell34;61955 wrote:

I know there is more than one Archeopteryx, yet can you show me one that all science agrees is not a fake? It's not just Bible believers who have draw this conclusion. Please show me one that is considered a slam dunk by all science. And if Darwin believed that the fossil record should be filled with transionals, why do we only have these fossils that come from questionable locations?


Um. All of them.

The claims brought up against Archaeopteryx have been dismissed. They were scrutinized and nothing came of them. Most of the claims brought forth were from those that had no idea what they were talking about... completely botching the geological data and testing.

And then there are the other nine.

Nine? Yeah, nine. So if you want to bring up specific claims against all ten of them, be my guest. I'll ask that you be specific, of course.

I will add that your understanding of what a "transitional" is hasn't improved much. Fossils such as Tiktaalik, Gerbotrachus and Archaeopteryx are transitionals, no doubt. But these are just the best visual examples, the ones that clearly show a change occurring. Others, such as Ventastega, Livoniana and Panderichthys aren't so "wow" when it comes to the visuals. Still transitionals, but they don't have the eyecandy that Tikkie has.

There's a lot more than what the media gets ahold of, you know.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2008 11:58 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;61955 wrote:
It should be obvious that because of many of the ufos movements that have been reported, they would have to be operated by a higher intelligence.


why? What has movement to do with intelligence? You are grasping at straws here....



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Because only an advanced intelligence could navigate in such a way as has been reported.


which is.....randomly?

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And because of the high speeds that they have been tracked at, we can assume they have a greater and more advanced propulsion system than ours.


you can assume that, but true scientists would not. The problem here is simply an analytical one. We can't really tell how fast something is going until we know precisely where it is at, if you are looking at something that is smaller and closer than you think it is then it would appear that it is moving faster than it actually is.

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Also, because of their abilty to make 90 deg. turns while traveling thousands of miles an hour, their ships integrity also would have to be more advanced than ours as well. The ufos are unidentified, yet their demonstrated abilities show us, that their aerodynamics is far more advanced than ours.


There is no reason to assume they are "ships" at all, for all we know they could be flakes of dust captured by a camera.

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I know there is more than one Archeopteryx, yet can you show me one that all science agrees is not a fake? It's not just Bible believers who have drawn this conclusion. Please show me one that is considered a slam dunk by all science. And if Darwin believed that the fossil record should be filled with transitional, why do we only have these fossils that come from questionable locations?


None of them are considered "suspicious" not even one has been found to be a "fake" and for you to dismiss the archeopteryx they would all have to be "fakes" which is a practical infeasibility.

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The art work came from thousands of years ago, and match what we know were dinosaurs that existed in the past. Ancient man could not of drawn such dinsaurs unless they actually saw them. And their art had knowledge of dinosaurs that we did not know existed until recent times. Also, because of the variety of depictions, we can conclude that early man saw a number of these at one time.


or the art makers found bones of the dinosaurs, or more than likely they are fakes as i've said before. Never has such a huge quantity of good-condition pottery been found. Why are they not as sherds as virtually all authentic pieces have been found as?
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Campbell34
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 08:36 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;61946 wrote:
and if i believed my story would it be any more valid?




that's a big [SIZE="4"]IF[/SIZE]



Unless it was a social phenomena then the mass reportings would be easily explained.



You have your bias as well do I.



I have still yet to hear a single explanation of endogenous retriviral remnants, from ANY creationist EVER despite the many times I've brought it up and over the many years i've been arguing it. Their mysterious silence on this most convincing evidence speak volumes.



Unfortunately truth isn't determined by a consensus of popular opinion.



...or so you claim! But you have failed to demonstrate how.



like the archeopteryx? Something creationists claimed would never be found? Or the Australopithecus? Which creationists claimed would never be found and some still deny it. or the Darwin deathbed recantation, which is still circulated today by creationists even though it is a known falsehood? Or the human-Dino footprint which is also a known fraud yet is still circulated by creationists? Or creationists who use radio-carbon dating to date things that "HAVE NO CARBON IN IT!"?

But the big difference here is that all of the "evolutionist" hoaxes have been debunked by other evolutionists whereas creationist hoaxes have been debunked by evolutionists.




fraudulent. do you have any genuine evidence?



like the homo Neanderthal?



fables including talking snakes?



Art by definition is the antonym of science.



and DNA evidence is speculation?



Like making a conclusion before finding evidence? creationists have already concluded that the bible and everything in it is true, the is antithetical to open-mindedness and is entirely unscientific, so they must find evidence that fits their preconceived conclusion.



Most evolutionists are Christians.Wink



Deny things like ERVs, mitochondrial DNA, relative fossil placement, known cases of speciation etc...?


Evolutionary biologist Dolph Schluter and others have discovered that the region contains two species of stickleback, one with a large mouth that feeds on large prey close to shore, the other with a small mouth that feeds on plankton in open water. Both species jointly inhabit five different lakes. Through DNA analysis, scientists have determined that the lakes were colonized independently by common marine ancestors, meaning that the process of sympatric speciation between the two varieties had to have occurred independently at least five times. This seems to indicate a situation of competition for resources that favored stickleback species at either extreme of size, as opposed to those of medium size and medium-sized mouths.


Archeopteryx? Something creationists claimed would never be found?
You must believe that Archeopteryx is a transional. Your going to have to come up to speed on this one, because todays science now points out that it is (not a transional). It is an extinct bird, and nothing more. So the search for an obvious transional continues. And on this one the creationist were correct.

A mass reporting of UFOs is not easily explained, especially when they appear on radar screens at the same time. One recent case occured over Belgium, and they were triangular-shaped, and seen by both military personal and civilians, and detected on military radar. Recordings on (radar) showed these objects making fantastic maneuvers at incredibly high speeds that are far beyond the capabilities of conventional aircraft.

The reasons creationists believe the Bible to be true, is because there has never been any evidence presented to suggest it was not, and as time passes, historical discoveries only show all the more the accuracy of the written Word.

Center for UFO Studies
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 09:16 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;62026 wrote:
Archeopteryx? Something creationists claimed would never be found?
You must believe that Archeopteryx is a transional.


well technically all fossils are transitional, but i won't get into details.


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Your going to have to come up to speed on this one, because todays science now points out that it is (not a transional). It is an extinct bird, and nothing more.


Actually it is more reptilian than it is bird, in fact when scientists first found it they thought it was a dinosaur. Archaeopteryx had feathers and wings, but it also had teeth and a skeleton similar to a small carnivorous dinosaur, its features were reptilian, with jaws lined with sharp teeth, three 'fingers' ending in curved claws and a long bony tail. These features, which are consistent with theropod dinosaurs. For instance, it has a long ascending process of the ankle bone, interdental plates, an obturator process of the ischium, and long chevrons in the tail. In particular, Ostrom found that Archaeopteryx was remarkably similar to the theropod family Dromaeosauridae.

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So the search for an obvious transional continues. And on this one the creationist were correct.


doesn't look like it.Very Happy

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A mass reporting of UFOs is not easily explained, especially when they appear on radar screens at the same time. One recent case occured over Belgium, and they were triangular-shaped, and seen by both military personal and civilians, and detected on military radar. Recordings on (radar) showed these objects making fantastic maneuvers at incredibly high speeds that are far beyond the capabilities of conventional aircraft.


This prove there is little green men?


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The reasons creationists believe the Bible to be true, is because there has never been any evidence presented to suggest it was not, and as time passes, historical discoveries only show all the more the accuracy of the written Word.


negative evidence fallacy.
Campbell34
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 01:56 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;62027 wrote:
well technically all fossils are transitional, but i won't get into details.




Actually it is more reptilian than it is bird, in fact when scientists first found it they thought it was a dinosaur. Archaeopteryx had feathers and wings, but it also had teeth and a skeleton similar to a small carnivorous dinosaur, its features were reptilian, with jaws lined with sharp teeth, three 'fingers' ending in curved claws and a long bony tail. These features, which are consistent with theropod dinosaurs. For instance, it has a long ascending process of the ankle bone, interdental plates, an obturator process of the ischium, and long chevrons in the tail. In particular, Ostrom found that Archaeopteryx was remarkably similar to the theropod family Dromaeosauridae.



doesn't look like it.Very Happy



This prove there is little green men?




negative evidence fallacy.


As I have stated. The bird was not a transional, and creationest were the first to state that the bird was not a transional, so yes, science would agree with them.

And when you have groups of UFOs traveling in formation, being tracked by radar, and both military, and citizens alike see them visually. It does not require a great leap of faith to assume that they are being controled by some greater intelligence. Especially, when they are out preforming are best military aircraft. This has been demonstrated on numerous occasions, and simple logic would make one draw that conclusion. Tapes from radar have been replayed, and they reveal these UFO's traveling at incridble speeds, and they also show these UFOs doing unbelievable air acrobatics. So again, this is not some social phenomena. There are way to many Eyewitness accounts, and often those accounts are backed up by recorded Radar imagery, which cannot be dismissed, or denied.
Sabz5150
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 07:58 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;62033 wrote:
As I have stated. The bird was not a transional, and creationest were the first to state that the bird was not a transional, so yes, science would agree with them.


Hate to tell you this, but Archie is most definitely a transitional. If science says it isn't, why don't you show us the research of this.
Numpty
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 09:45 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;62033 wrote:
As I have stated. The bird was not a transional, and creationest were the first to state that the bird was not a transional, so yes, science would agree with them.

And when you have groups of UFOs traveling in formation, being tracked by radar, and both military, and citizens alike see them visually. It does not require a great leap of faith to assume that they are being controled by some greater intelligence. Especially, when they are out preforming are best military aircraft. This has been demonstrated on numerous occasions, and simple logic would make one draw that conclusion. Tapes from radar have been replayed, and they reveal these UFO's traveling at incridble speeds, and they also show these UFOs doing unbelievable air acrobatics. So again, this is not some social phenomena. There are way to many Eyewitness accounts, and often those accounts are backed up by recorded Radar imagery, which cannot be dismissed, or denied.


You are still missing the point, AND you keep using the abreviation UFO yourself.

Just stop, take a deep breath, count to 10 and exhale.

Look at your evidence, and look at it as a scientist not some one who wants to believe what they are seeing.

Everything you say is true except one litte detail, you have no idea, or proof, what if anything is piloting these UFO's, none what so ever. If you believe they are space ships, stop saying UFO and say what you think they are. Stop hiding behind the phrase UFO.
Campbell34
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 01:20 am
@Numpty,
Numpty;62042 wrote:
You are still missing the point, AND you keep using the abreviation UFO yourself.

Just stop, take a deep breath, count to 10 and exhale.

Look at your evidence, and look at it as a scientist not some one who wants to believe what they are seeing.

Everything you say is true except one litte detail, you have no idea, or proof, what if anything is piloting these UFO's, none what so ever. If you believe they are space ships, stop saying UFO and say what you think they are. Stop hiding behind the phrase UFO.


I say UFOs, because that is what most people think of when they appear. I do not believe they are space ships. Yet, I believe they are made to appear that way. And the proof of their being piloted, should be obvious to anyone who has actually spent time considering their unusual flying abilities.
They have been chased by jet fighters, yet they easily out run any military aircraft that approaches them. I believe they are here to create a false conception, and at the appointed time they will be revealed to humankind as something they are not. A number of humans today are now beginning to believe that these UFOs are from an advanced race, and some believe that in the days ahead, if things on earth begin to get out of control, these UFOs will come to bring order back to the world. In reality, this belief could not be any farther from the truth.
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