The NRA shoots... and misses!

He ain't gonna take it away, he ain't got the balls.

He ain't gonna take it away, because he doesn't want to.

Obama linked to gun control efforts - Yahoo! News

Obama linked to gun control efforts

Barack Obama’s presidential campaign has worked to assure uneasy gun owners that he believes the Constitution protects their rights and that he doesn’t want to take away their guns.

But before he became a national political figure, he sat on the board of a Chicago-based foundation that doled out at least nine grants totaling nearly $2.7 million to groups that advocated the opposite positions.

The foundation funded legal scholarship advancing the theory that the Second Amendment does not protect individual gun owners’ rights, as well as two groups that advocated handgun bans. And it paid to support a book called “Every Handgun Is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns.”

Obama’s eight years on the board of the Joyce Foundation, which paid him more than $70,000 in directors fees, do not in any way conflict with his campaign-trail support for the rights of gun owners, Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for Obama’s presidential campaign, asserted in a statement issued to Politico this week.

LaBolt stressed that the foundation, which has assets of about $935 million, doesn’t take “detailed policy positions,” but rather uses its grants to “fuel a dialogue about how to address public policy issues like reducing gun violence.”

As with most foundations, Joyce did not record how individual board members voted on grants, but former Joyce officials told Politico that funding was typically approved unanimously.

Control does not equal ban.

Besides, this group's views sound a whole lot like the Right's view on the 1st, 4th and 5th, so you should be used to the song and dance by now.

Maybe if a handgun ban were enacted, we could call it... the "American Public Safety and Freedom" act. Everybody knows, if you've got the words 'Freedom', 'Patriot' or 'Safe' in the title, the American people will go right along with it.

Right, Sanchez? :rollinglaugh:

gotta take baby steps.

Wouldn't you love it. I know the leftys like to think that.


Sanches! You know me well enough to call me Durty, LOL

Kinda like deregulation? Except they forgot about the staircase in front of them.



I'm quite certain it's the Right that loves playing word games. "PATRIOT Act", "No Child Left Behind", "Death Tax", Clean Air Act", the list is rather long and hilarious if you actually know what they actually mean.

All it takes is a little creativity.

Lies. I thougth you were smarter than believing campaign blather...

HERE ARE THE FACTS:

On the Second Amendment, Don't Believe Obama

The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for "sportsmen" or unfounded claims of general support for the right to keep and bear arms.

But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don't listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.

****Numbers in Brackets correspond to supporting evidence below****

FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia. (17)

FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate "assault weapons," but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen. (18)

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry. (1)

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban. (15)

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting. (3)

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition. (9)

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership. (2)

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities. (4)

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense. (5)

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration. (6)

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws. (7)

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and "research." (8)

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America. (9)

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them. (10)

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military. (11)

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines. (12)

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping. (13)

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods. (2)

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers. (14)

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.(16)

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns. (9)

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.(9)

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21. (9)

******

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (www.senate.gov - This page cannot be found.
cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in "Obama had greater role on liberal survey," Politico, March 31, 2008. (Obama had greater role on liberal survey - Kenneth P. Vogel - Politico.com)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/
roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, Political Punch, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalr...-common-se.html)

5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.

6. "Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record." Obama '08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factchec...in_obamas_c.php)

7. "Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote," Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.

9. "Obama and Gun Control," The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (<The Volokh Conspiracy - Obama and Gun Control:)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. "Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control," Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioi...on_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, "Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action," February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/...s_on_shoot.html)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: "As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . ." (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/u...aw-enforcement.)

15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Bar...Gun_Control.htm
and Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes) Oct 21, 2004.

16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.

17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.

18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to:
http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf.


Make no mistake about it, Obama wants a disarmed populace.

Nice!

most of your links don't work.

Of course not, they're copy-pasted from an email. Doesn't take much searching to figure that one out.

That whole gun clinging comment seems to be ringing true. Looks like Amendment 2 is the only thing these people care about, honestly. Nothing else matters... otherwise they'd have used that amendment to protect the others that have been stomped on.

They love that amendment, but don't understand why it exists.

Copy pasted or not, they are all still true, and factual, but I know it would be too hard for you to research it on your own so just listen to his "campaign promises". I realize that the liberal left would like an unarmed herd of sheep to rule over, but sorry, this country is founded on the Constitution, and the second amendment of the Bill of Rights insures that the rest remain. The Bill of Rights limits the powers of the fed, and while I understand that the liberal left wants to control everyone with big government and reduce our rights, they are going to be stopped at every turn by true Americans, and Patriots.

because the NSA and the Patriot act are liberal ideas???

Where have you seen me support either? NEO-conservatives, are just liberals in disguise, with a different agenda, but dollar for dollar, agency, for agency liberlas have spread the scope government beyond anything our founding fathers could have ever dreamed possible.

so then neo-liberals as well as neo-conservatives are just as guilty.

When have you joined us liberals in speaking out against this legislation?

Liberals didn't create the PATRIOT act. Your guys did. Liberals didn't push to have it extended. Your guys did.

Neoconservatives are conservatives who cling tigher to the Bible than others. They believe in "Manifest destiny" and that Iraq was a mission from God. Neocons are YOUR wingnuts. Deal with them.

Really? So you are against the warrantless wiretapping? Are you also against Gitmo? How about the "Bush Doctrine"?

If the second amendment protects the rest, THEN START USING IT. All you give two sh!ts about is having yer guns. You don't want to use them for their proper purpose.

Deflections do not change facts.

the issue is Obama is anti-gun, the facts, and his record support this, and no amount of deflection, or projection is going to change that.

Didn't he say that even if he wanted to take yer god--err guns away, he couldn't? Sounds like the answer of somebody who won't try. But again, whatever the NRA--err church says must be the truth.

Now, that aside, why haven't you used the 2nd amendment for its intended purpose? Or is it all about the almighty gun?