Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2008 05:40 am
CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Palin’s transparency proposal already exists in D.C. - Blogs from CNN.com

Sarah Palin likes to tell voters around the country about how she ?put the government checkbook online? in Alaska. On Thursday, Palin suggested she would take that same proposal to Washington.

?We?re going to do a few new things also,? she said at a rally in Cedar Rapids. ?For instance, as Alaska?s governor, I put the government?s checkbook online so that people can see where their money?s going. We?ll bring that kind of transparency, that responsibility, and accountability back. We?re going to bring that back to D.C.?

There?s just one problem with proposing to put the federal checkbook online ? somebody?s already done it. His name is Barack Obama.

In 2006 and 2007, Obama teamed up with Republican Sen. Tom Coburn to pass the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act, also known as ?Google for Government.? The act created a free, searchable web site ? USASpending.gov ? that discloses to the public all federal grants, contracts, loans and insurance payments.

In June of this year, Obama and Coburn introduced new Senate legislation to expand the information available online to include details on earmarks, competitive bidding, criminal activities, audit disputes and other government information.

Palin might also have noted that her running mate, John McCain, was an original co-sponsor of the 2006 transparency bill that became law.


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BobbyVAguilarIII
 
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Reply Sat 20 Sep, 2008 02:52 am
@Sabz5150,
"Your actions speak so loud i can't hear a word you're saying."
Obama might have co-authored the Bill on Transparency but there are two things one may want to check out:
1. In the Senate deliberations, check the transcriptions on the Committee as well as the floor as to how he participated in it? Did he passionately pushed for it, was he actively pushing for it or was he merely there on a ride with a more senior Senator? Am not sure. There were over 10 other bills that he co-authored not initiated. Bandwagon effect.
2. During the primaries, Clinton, Obama and Edwards were all asked to submit documents about their activities in the Senate to put flesh into the "Transparency" issue. Clinton and Edwards obliged, Obama did not, giving as an excuse that there were many activities he was involved in to give details. Really? Hillary Clinton had submitted over 50,000 pages of documents. If one has nothing to hide and is efficient enough to document one's track records, this should not be any issue at all.

Also, this is Obama's 2nd term and for the past two years, all he did was campaign. Sometimes, ad administrator who runs the day-to-day affairs of a department or state is more effective than a demagogue or a Senator who is rich in rhetorics poor in actual experience.

This issue has been raised time and again in many surveys by independent pollsters about ordinary, working people across the nation. How do you respond to that?

Much more troubling is the fact that his wife declared in national TV when Obama was nominated that it was the one day that she was proud to be an American. Is this not racial prejudice?

Obama has not come clear nor convincingly honest about his Islamic ties. He could very well be the first Muslim president of the United States, in addition to being the first African-American president. As a matter of fact, he has raised more questions than answer some with his affiliations, including his book Audacity of Hope, which this author read.

As an American writer once said, "These are the times that try men's souls."

Laissez faire et laissez passer!
Sabz5150
 
  1  
Reply Sat 20 Sep, 2008 03:14 am
@BobbyVAguilarIII,
BobbyVAguilarIII;60076 wrote:
"Your actions speak so loud i can't hear a word you're saying."
Obama might have co-authored the Bill on Transparency but there are two things one may want to check out:
1. In the Senate deliberations, check the transcriptions on the Committee as well as the floor as to how he participated in it? Did he passionately pushed for it, was he actively pushing for it or was he merely there on a ride with a more senior Senator? Am not sure. There were over 10 other bills that he co-authored not initiated. Bandwagon effect.


"Am not sure"? Then how can you say either way?

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2. During the primaries, Clinton, Obama and Edwards were all asked to submit documents about their activities in the Senate to put flesh into the "Transparency" issue. Clinton and Edwards obliged, Obama did not, giving as an excuse that there were many activities he was involved in to give details. Really? Hillary Clinton had submitted over 50,000 pages of documents. If one has nothing to hide and is efficient enough to document one's track records, this should not be any issue at all.


So that's why I can see what money he's wanted earmarked, dollar for dollar, project for project, on his site. Riiiiiiiiight.

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Also, this is Obama's 2nd term and for the past two years, all he did was campaign. Sometimes, ad administrator who runs the day-to-day affairs of a department or state is more effective than a demagogue or a Senator who is rich in rhetorics poor in actual experience.

This issue has been raised time and again in many surveys by independent pollsters about ordinary, working people across the nation. How do you respond to that?


If all he did was campaign, how did he get a voting record during that time?

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Much more troubling is the fact that his wife declared in national TV when Obama was nominated that it was the one day that she was proud to be an American. Is this not racial prejudice?


Not at all.

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Obama has not come clear nor convincingly honest about his Islamic ties. He could very well be the first Muslim president of the United States, in addition to being the first African-American president. As a matter of fact, he has raised more questions than answer some with his affiliations, including his book Audacity of Hope, which this author read.



Ohhhhhhh, you're one of THOSE people, one of the ones that's actually been duped into the Muslim BS. Hear that? That's your credibility going down the tubes.

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As an American writer once said, "These are the times that try men's souls."


A man also once said "The bigger the lie, the more people believe it."
marcus cv
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 08:59 pm
@Sabz5150,
In his autobiography, ?Dreams From My Father,? Obama mentions studying the Quran. He was enrolled in two Jakarta schools as a Muslim. His teacher Tine Hahiyary said that she remembered that he had studied ?mengaji? (recitation of the Quran).? Classmate Rony Amiris described Obama as being a very devout Muslim, saying, ?Barry was previously quite religious in Islam.? Another classmate, Emirsyah Satar, now the CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, ?He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a ?sarong.??
?Obama?s grandfather was a Muslim. Obama?s father was a Muslim. Obama?s stepfather was a Muslim. His African relatives are Muslims. What was he for the 27 years before his alleged conversion if he wasn?t a Muslim?
If Obama has always been a Christian, why was he enrolled in two Jakarta schools as a Muslim?

Source

What if?
Sabz5150
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 09:23 pm
@marcus cv,
marcus;60257 wrote:
In his autobiography, ?Dreams From My Father,? Obama mentions studying the Quran. He was enrolled in two Jakarta schools as a Muslim. His teacher Tine Hahiyary said that she remembered that he had studied ?mengaji? (recitation of the Quran).? Classmate Rony Amiris described Obama as being a very devout Muslim, saying, ?Barry was previously quite religious in Islam.? Another classmate, Emirsyah Satar, now the CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, ?He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a ?sarong.??
?Obama?s grandfather was a Muslim. Obama?s father was a Muslim. Obama?s stepfather was a Muslim. His African relatives are Muslims. What was he for the 27 years before his alleged conversion if he wasn?t a Muslim?
If Obama has always been a Christian, why was he enrolled in two Jakarta schools as a Muslim?

Source

What if?


Well, the link in question is rather questionable.

His enrollment in "Jakarta" schools is a misrepresentation. The schools are Muslim in the sense that the majority of their students are Muslim. It was an Indonesian public school.

PolitiFact | Obama attended an Indonesian public school

Like many Internet smears, the e-mail starts with a bit of truth before lurching wildly into fantasy. It?s true that Obama?s father was from Africa, and Obama has said his father was born a Muslim. Obama's stepfather was from Indonesia, raised a Muslim. But there?s no evidence that either man was particularly religious as an adult ? Obama's father is sometimes described as an atheist, while his stepfather drank alcohol, forbidden in Islam. Obama's American mother, Ann Dunham, rejected organized religion, according to several accounts. Obama has summed up his own faith history by saying he didn't grow up in any particular religious tradition. (Obama's mother, father and stepfather are all deceased.)

Obama lived in Indonesia with his mother and stepfather from 1967 to 1971, approximately from the ages of 6 to 10. In 1971, he returned to the United States and graduated from high school in Hawaii.

?Madrassa? is an Arabic word for ?school,? but Americans generally understand the word to mean a school where anti-Western Islamic ideology is taught. The e-mail says the school taught Wahabism, a ?RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world.? Westerners typically understand Wahabism to be an austere form of Islam based on a literal reading of the Koran. So is that the type of school Obama attended?

No. Indonesia is a Muslim country, and Obama attended a public school there, which taught a small amount of religion. CNN, the Associated Press, the Los Angeles Times and the Chicago Tribune investigated the e-mail claims by visiting the school and interviewing former teachers and students who were there at the same time as Obama. These investigations found a public school where students wore Western clothing and prayer was a small part of the curriculum. The Chicago Tribune reported the school was ?so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas.?

And it's worth noting ? as the chain e-mail does ? that Obama also attended a Catholic school in Indonesia for several years.


Even if Bam at one time were a Muslim, what's it matter?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Forget that little part? It's what lets you worship freely too.

Also, never forget Article VI, section 3:

no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

But there IS a religious test, isn't there? Polls show that Americans prefer a president with strong faith, mainly THEIR faith, and it becomes a HUGE talking point. Sounds like a religious test to me!

In conclusion, I'd like to ask one thing: Where do these interviews and quotes you post come from? Is there an originating source, perhaps some videos of these people saying their piece? I'll be waiting...
marcus cv
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 09:37 pm
@Sabz5150,
Quote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Forget that little part? It's what lets you worship freely too.


The religion implies the core of values. And if Obama was influenced by the Islam how it will impact on America?

In other words, [SIZE="3"]"America are you ready for Barak Hussein Obama?"[/SIZE]
Sabz5150
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 10:28 pm
@marcus cv,
marcus;60259 wrote:
The religion implies the core of values. And if Obama was influenced by the Islam how it will impact on America?

In other words, [SIZE="3"]"America are you ready for Barak Hussein Obama?"[/SIZE]


This is similar to saying I have a "Gangsta influence" because I went to a school where the student body was 93% black and that I might break out my gat and pop a cap in somebody while huffing a blunt and choking back a fo'ty. It's laughable.

If religion implies core values, that says a LOT about this country's founders. They understood that religion should not be part of this country's inner workings because they saw the corruption that it caused.

Bam also went to a Catholic school. Does this imply that he has "Christian influence"? Is America ready for that?

There is no evidence to back up any "Islam influence" in regards to Bam. It's all chain emails and smears through blogs to put a cover on a single truth that scares the people who propagate them: they don't want anyone but a fundamentalist Christian in the hot seat. Gotta cling to that power.
marcus cv
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 11:00 pm
@Sabz5150,
You could be correct. I'm just hoping that we are not too rushing "for a change" and forgetting about all other criteria that usually would be taken into consideration.
Sabz5150
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 11:21 pm
@marcus cv,
marcus;60269 wrote:
You could be correct. I'm just hoping that we are not too rushing "for a change" and forgetting about all other criteria that usually would be taken into consideration.


Honestly, one's religion makes little difference when running the country to me. If you can keep it to yourself and not push it upon others, that's just fine. What I want from a president is somebody who can lead this country and can stand tall in the face of adversity. A person who can remain calm and composed in the harshest of situations, who doesn't jump the gun and make rash statements, putting us all at risk.

That's what we should be looking for in a president, not the results of his religious litmus test.
Drnaline
 
  1  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 07:43 am
@Sabz5150,
If you believe that then why are you still voting for Hussein?
BobbyVAguilarIII
 
  1  
Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 06:46 am
@Sabz5150,
Historicity and context are two big words.
Americans generally do not have a good record on looking at historical records. This nation was established on what basis? Look at the currency. Look at the founding fathers. Look at the records of the past. One philosopher said, maybe Santayana, "Those who never learn from the mistakes of the past are bound to repeat theme in the future."
But because Americans are generally hedonistic and are concerned with the here-and-now and what-am-i getting from this mentality, change is effected. But at what price?
The economy was good during the Clinton era- and yet Clinton had oral sex done on him right at the Oval office (see transcripts of Ken Starr's investigation: Lewinski scandal). That means, it's OK to screw up at the highest office of the land because "It's the economy, stupid!" It also implies that when it is the economy that is at stake, ethics and morality do not really mean a rat's ass.
Try being the minority in Indonesia. In 1999, Chinese non-Muslims were looted, robbed, killed, and raped by Indonesian Muslims who said they were the cause of the economic collapse of the Suharto regime.
What are Obama's motives in becoming President of the U.S.?
Because "t's not the economy, stupid," it is the motive of the heart to lead a nation such as the US in these troubled times.
True, the Constitution guarantees religious freedom. It did not foresee: the 9/11 bombing of the Twin Towers by Islamic extremists, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and the many other Islamic places in the world that Americans, even without religious affiliation, are dying in and shedding their blood for.
Religious freedom has been used as a shield by humanists without conscience to exercise and flaunt their repugnance against faith while trampling on the rights of those who freely practice their faith. Remember Madeleine O'Haire who fought to ban prayers in school? The Roe vs. Wade? And given those, are we better off now as a society?
Explain the killing of Christians by Gothic youth in Columbine, as recently portrayed by two Finnish copycat gunmen fascinated by the account.
But then again, who cares about history? When our folks are old and unable to serve, we don't learn from the wisdom of their experiences, we dump them in nursing homes and get on with our lives in the here and now.
So, let's go ahead, let's campaign for Obama, let's campaign for Biden, and then we exemplify the lemmings: creatures who can't help but swim to their destruction.
MORITURI TE SALUTAMUS!
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 11:57 am
@Sabz5150,
Aguilar huh, Martinez here. Lots of wisdom in those words.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 01:29 pm
@BobbyVAguilarIII,
BobbyVAguilarIII;60320 wrote:



True, the Constitution guarantees religious freedom. It did not foresee: the 9/11 bombing of the Twin Towers by Islamic extremists, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and the many other Islamic places in the world that Americans, even without religious affiliation, are dying in and shedding their blood for.
Religious freedom has been used as a shield by humanists without conscience to exercise and flaunt their repugnance against faith while trampling on the rights of those who freely practice their faith.


Since when is it a right to not be offended? Sorry, but it's not the governments job to protect your feelings, if you can't take being offended then that just too bad for you isn't it?

I won't tolerate freedom of speech being curbed because some oversensitive religious person got offended.
BobbyVAguilarIII
 
  1  
Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 06:07 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
"I may disagree with what you say, but i will defend to death your right to say it."- Voltaire
This is the same guy who said about 200 years ago, that in 200 years, Christianity would be wiped out in the face of the earth. Well, Christianity is not only alive, well and kicking, it is far robust than it ever was before.
Again, historicity.
Being offended is different from being blown to bits and pieces by people who believe piloting an airplane into buildings to kill "infidels" is martyrdom. And it is not a matter of having the government protect your feelings because even as early as the 1st century AD under the Roman caesars (Nero, Domitian, etc.), people of Christian faith were thrown alive into lions, burned at stake as torches in the Imperial gardens, fed into ravenous wolves as entertainment for the Roman elite, beheaded and crucified upside down in crosses all over the Roman Way. Check them out. These are documented facts, not rantings of a rabid religionist.
Oftentimes, in our loss of the historical and cultural context of our identity and where we are standing, we forget that the soil we are standing on had been irrigated by the blood of our ancestors and forebears. We are here and we stand speaking out our ideas today because many have laid down their lives and shed their precious blood for the freedom we so enjoy. Ancestors and forebears who crossed the Atlantic so they can exercise their freedom after, you guessed it, being persecuted for their faith in England.
No respect, man. We just diss our elders, bro.
Also, our own opinionated ravings are inexorably colored by our own insatiable desires, prejudices, idiosyncracies, preferences and what-have-you. We are children of our times and we grow up as adults of our culture.
And it is not a matter of "oversensitivity" either. Many African-Americans in our midst who have been for centuries maligned, mistreated and generally made to suffer life and indignity found solace in the hope of their Christian faith. Go to the Deep South and witness how strong the Negro spirituals and Gospel music are amongst the poor, destitute and disenfranchised "colored" of Alabama, Mississippi, and Georgia.
You still see it today among professional athletes, beyond the veneer and facade of athleticism and pride and self-glory, there is the acknowledgment that there is one sovereign God who is not nowhere, but is NOW HERE.
It is not religious freedom, it is rather experential, efficacious, practical faith in the God who "so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but shall have everlasting life."
Christianity was not established by the taking of lives but by the giving of that One Precious Sacred Life, the Son of God who loved us and gave Himself for us.
TEDEUM LAUDAMUS!
Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2008 12:47 am
@Sabz5150,
Amen!
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2008 10:58 am
@BobbyVAguilarIII,
BobbyVAguilarIII;60353 wrote:
"I may disagree with what you say, but i will defend to death your right to say it."- Voltaire
This is the same guy who said about 200 years ago, that in 200 years, Christianity would be wiped out in the face of the earth. Well, Christianity is not only alive, well and kicking, it is far robust than it ever was before.
Again, historicity.


Does it surprise you that he cannot tell the future? Does his false predictions in any way discredit his quoted words?


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Being offended is different from being blown to bits and pieces by people who believe piloting an airplane into buildings to kill "infidels" is martyrdom. And it is not a matter of having the government protect your feelings because even as early as the 1st century AD under the Roman caesars (Nero, Domitian, etc.), people of Christian faith were thrown alive into lions, etc...


excuse me but i thought we were talking about freedom of speech!

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burned at stake as torches in the Imperial gardens, fed into ravenous wolves as entertainment for the Roman elite, beheaded and crucified upside down in crosses all over the Roman Way. Check them out. These are documented facts, not rantings of a rabid religionist.


The hands of Christians are not without blood on them.


Quote:
Oftentimes, in our loss of the historical and cultural context of our identity and where we are standing, we forget that the soil we are standing on had been irrigated by the blood of our ancestors and forebears. We are here and we stand speaking out our ideas today because many have laid down their lives and shed their precious blood for the freedom we so enjoy. Ancestors and forebears who crossed the Atlantic so they can exercise their freedom after, you guessed it, being persecuted for their faith in England.


Precisely my point, the framers did not risk life and limb only to create another theocracy for people to flee from.

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No respect, man. We just diss our elders, bro.


and how is that?


Quote:
And it is not a matter of "oversensitivity" either. Many African-Americans in our midst who have been for centuries maligned, mistreated and generally made to suffer life and indignity found solace in the hope of their Christian faith. Go to the Deep South and witness how strong the Negro spirituals and Gospel music are amongst the poor, destitute and disenfranchised "colored" of Alabama, Mississippi, and Georgia.


what relevance has this?


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You still see it today among professional athletes, beyond the veneer and facade of athleticism and pride and self-glory, there is the acknowledgment that there is one sovereign God who is not nowhere, but is NOW HERE.


Because athletes are now philosophers?

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It is not religious freedom,

then you deny what is written in the bill of rights!
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2008 08:09 pm
@BobbyVAguilarIII,
BobbyVAguilarIII;60353 wrote:
"I may disagree with what you say, but i will defend to death your right to say it."- Voltaire
This is the same guy who said about 200 years ago, that in 200 years, Christianity would be wiped out in the face of the earth. Well, Christianity is not only alive, well and kicking, it is far robust than it ever was before.
Again, historicity.
Being offended is different from being blown to bits and pieces by people who believe piloting an airplane into buildings to kill "infidels" is martyrdom. And it is not a matter of having the government protect your feelings because even as early as the 1st century AD under the Roman caesars (Nero, Domitian, etc.), people of Christian faith were thrown alive into lions, burned at stake as torches in the Imperial gardens, fed into ravenous wolves as entertainment for the Roman elite, beheaded and crucified upside down in crosses all over the Roman Way. Check them out. These are documented facts, not rantings of a rabid religionist.
Oftentimes, in our loss of the historical and cultural context of our identity and where we are standing, we forget that the soil we are standing on had been irrigated by the blood of our ancestors and forebears. We are here and we stand speaking out our ideas today because many have laid down their lives and shed their precious blood for the freedom we so enjoy. Ancestors and forebears who crossed the Atlantic so they can exercise their freedom after, you guessed it, being persecuted for their faith in England.
No respect, man. We just diss our elders, bro.
Also, our own opinionated ravings are inexorably colored by our own insatiable desires, prejudices, idiosyncracies, preferences and what-have-you. We are children of our times and we grow up as adults of our culture.
And it is not a matter of "oversensitivity" either. Many African-Americans in our midst who have been for centuries maligned, mistreated and generally made to suffer life and indignity found solace in the hope of their Christian faith. Go to the Deep South and witness how strong the Negro spirituals and Gospel music are amongst the poor, destitute and disenfranchised "colored" of Alabama, Mississippi, and Georgia.
You still see it today among professional athletes, beyond the veneer and facade of athleticism and pride and self-glory, there is the acknowledgment that there is one sovereign God who is not nowhere, but is NOW HERE.
It is not religious freedom, it is rather experential, efficacious, practical faith in the God who "so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but shall have everlasting life."
Christianity was not established by the taking of lives but by the giving of that One Precious Sacred Life, the Son of God who loved us and gave Himself for us.
TEDEUM LAUDAMUS!


Remind us again what happened to the Roman Empire. Also remind us what happened to the Mayan civilization. Care to take a swing at who had a hand in the destruction of the Library?

Those aren't the actions of the "One Precious Sacred Life".
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2008 08:11 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;60282 wrote:
If you believe that then why are you still voting for Hussein?


Who is this Hussein guy? I thought you killed him already... daddy should be proud.

Mickey needed to pause the world so he can handle a crisis. Not very presidential. Not in the slightest.
marcus cv
 
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Reply Thu 2 Oct, 2008 03:55 pm
@Sabz5150,
Quote:
burned at stake as torches in the Imperial gardens, fed into ravenous wolves as entertainment for the Roman elite, beheaded and crucified upside down in crosses all over the Roman Way. Check them out. These are documented facts, not rantings of a rabid religionist.
Quote:
The hands of Christians are not without blood on them
.


It's not the concept of Christianity to kill, not in the Bible, as in comparison to the Quaran. We are called to give our lives and not to take others.
xj0hnx
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 07:00 am
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;60258 wrote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Forget that little part? It's what lets you worship freely too.


Oh please, don't pretend you care about the Constitution here when you are so blatantly anti-second amendment. Liberals love the Constitution when it suits their agenda.
 

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