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Mlurp's Topic: Burma

 
 
Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 12:12 pm
Sept. 26 (Bloomberg) -- The United Nations Security Council scheduled an emergency meeting today on Myanmar after the Southeast Asian nation's military junta imposed a curfew in the former capital, Yangon, and police used force on protesters. At least one person was killed.

France, which holds the rotating presidency of the Security Council this month, sought the meeting along with the U.S., Britain, Belgium, Italy and Slovakia, the UN press office announced. The meeting is scheduled for 3 p.m. in New York.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon is sending his envoy for Myanmar, Ibrahim Gambari, back to the country and asked the military rulers there to ``exercise utmost restraint toward the peaceful demonstrations.''


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wvpeach
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 12:42 pm
@Freeman15,
Thanks for posting that freeman

I knew mlurp was concerned about something.

But the thread got locked down so fast I didn't get to ask any questions about it. Wonder Why?
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 01:38 pm
@Freeman15,
because I'm tired of everybody posting news articles with no news in them

here was his post

"hey something is going on somewhere in Asia and it reminds me of Nam"

it takes 5 seconds to google and make a worthwhile post people, if his post looked like this one it would have been left alone
mlurp
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 02:09 pm
@Silverchild79,
Gosh I don't recall not giving more detail and I thought I left a link.
Just maybe the board (which I have mentioned before) is at some fault here. And I might need some assistance or guidance in correcting this.

Sometimes while typing different windows pop up (and as I am from the old school were boys to shop and the females took typing) I keep typing (nothing) as I haven't yet raised my eyes to the window from the keyboard and then close it and try typing again. Some days it just happens to much and I log out. Maybe a skin change? :dunno:
Another thing that happens is the entire IE 7.0 freezes. I corrected that by shutting down e-mail notifications in the options ion Control Panel and just coming to the site looking for different topics. Whats is your opinion on this
Silverchild79?
And I agree with the last part. As I try to leave simple detail in what I post.........................................
Gosh you right I don't have much info there but do have enough for others to look for and post behind. gee you never gave it a chance nor did you do what you do best find the story and add the link.
But it is about me not you.
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AMERICAFIRST cv
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 02:13 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;39218 wrote:
because I'm tired of everybody posting news articles with no news in them

here was his post

"hey something is going on somewhere in Asia and it reminds me of Nam"

it takes 5 seconds to google and make a worthwhile post people, if his post looked like this one it would have been left alone
Nobody is prefect!!
mlurp
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 02:21 pm
@AMERICAFIRST cv,
I sure fit that description. :thumbup:
AMERICAFIRST cv
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 02:24 pm
@mlurp,
mlurp;39234 wrote:
I sure fit that description. :thumbup:
we all fit that mold, just some of us will admit it..:thumbup:
mlurp
 
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Reply Wed 26 Sep, 2007 07:53 pm
@AMERICAFIRST cv,
darn it. The entire statement wiped clean. Sorry. This will have to do.

I have no problem with the truth. It is easy for me. It is part of my Honor I have embedded. The Code of Conduct, The Airborne Creed. Just another grunt who has walked the line in Indiana Country. Still a grunt.
Hate war but love the toys these guys have today and the new things coming. Wow.
I would pay the government to have a week in Iraq or Afghanistan, if it heats up. Todays Army has the toys that is a big part of the low body count for four years of constant battles, ambushes an encounters.
I think a week would kill me along but to get to use some of the tools of the trade of todays Military. Ya. In an instant.
AMERICAFIRST cv
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 06:33 am
@mlurp,
mlurp;39264 wrote:
darn it. The entire statement wiped clean. Sorry. This will have to do.

I have no problem with the truth. It is easy for me. It is part of my Honor I have embedded. The Code of Conduct, The Airborne Creed. Just another grunt who has walked the line in Indiana Country. Still a grunt.
Hate war but love the toys these guys have today and the new things coming. Wow.
I would pay the government to have a week in Iraq or Afghanistan, if it heats up. Todays Army has the toys that is a big part of the low body count for four years of constant battles, ambushes an encounters.
I think a week would kill me along but to get to use some of the tools of the trade of todays Military. Ya. In an instant.
As pissed as I am it would take way longer than a week..a couple years maybe..
mlurp
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 09:37 am
@AMERICAFIRST cv,
Ok got the dope correct. Link at botom of page.

Enlarge Photo AP9 killed in 2nd day of Myanmar crackdown
AP - 22 minutes ago YANGON, Myanmar - Security forces fired automatic weapons into thousands of pro-democracy protesters for a second day Thursday, and the military government said nine people were killed and 11 wounded.
There are other stories one might want to see there.
Gee and I wonder why I couldn't recall the names of the state and country. looooool

The top news headlines on current events from Yahoo! News
mlurp
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 07:49 pm
@mlurp,
Seems this topic made the news tonight. before the commercial the question of what and how soon will the World respond to offer Democracy. On CNN. I haven't checked the other news groups.
AMERICAFIRST cv
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 07:57 pm
@mlurp,
mlurp;39437 wrote:
Seems this topic made the news tonight. before the commercial the question of what and how soon will the World respond to offer Democracy. On CNN. I haven't checked the other news groups.
it don't matter, this will America fault sooner or later..
mlurp
 
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Reply Fri 28 Sep, 2007 12:16 am
@AMERICAFIRST cv,
AMERICAFIRST;39317 wrote:
As pissed as I am it would take way longer than a week..a couple years maybe..


I have learned in my 60 short years that it is better to be pissed than pissed on! One can't fight city hall. That is a basic rule of life.
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mlurp
 
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Reply Fri 28 Sep, 2007 12:18 am
@AMERICAFIRST cv,
AMERICAFIRST;39443 wrote:
it don't matter, this will America fault sooner or later..


No I don't think so. Cheer up. Are them 5 children driving you up the wall? he, he, he........ life is to short to be so tight and being angry, but I to get wired sometimes.
AMERICAFIRST cv
 
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Reply Fri 28 Sep, 2007 08:07 am
@mlurp,
mlurp;39481 wrote:
No I don't think so. Cheer up. Are them 5 children driving you up the wall? he, he, he........ life is to short to be so tight and being angry, but I to get wired sometimes.
No they havn't drove me up the wall yet,, they know better..Very Happy
mlurp
 
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Reply Fri 28 Sep, 2007 04:55 pm
@AMERICAFIRST cv,
AMERICAFIRST, what works. But then you just backed up what I said about fighting city hall. looool

Well so much for democracy. India and China have a large investment oh you
read it. The link is at the bottom of the post.

Troops take back control in Myanmar 9 minutes ago

YANGON, Myanmar - Soldiers and police took control of the streets Friday, firing warning shots and tear gas to scatter the few pro-democracy protesters who ventured out as Myanmar's military junta sealed off Buddhist monasteries and cut public Internet access.


On the third day of a harsh government crackdown, the streets were empty of the mass gatherings that had peacefully challenged the regime daily for nearly two weeks, leaving only small groups of activists to be chased around by security forces.

"Bloodbath again! Bloodbath again!" a Yangon resident yelled while watching soldiers break up one march by shooting into air, firing tear gas and beating people with clubs.

Thousands of monks had provided the backbone of the protests, but they were besieged in their monasteries, penned in by locked gates and barbed wire surrounding the compounds in the two biggest cities, Yangon and Mandalay. Troops stood guard outside and blocked nearby roads to keep the clergymen isolated.

Many Yangon residents seemed pessimistic over the crackdown, fearing it fatally weakened a movement that began nearly six weeks ago as small protests over fuel price hikes and grew into demonstrations by tens of thousands demanding an end to 45 years of military rule.

The corralling of monks was a serious blow. They carry high moral authority in this predominantly Buddhist nation of 54 million people and the protests had mushroomed when the clergymen joined in.

"The monks are the ones who give us courage. I don't think that we have any more hope to win," said a young woman who had taken part in a huge demonstration Thursday that broke up when troops shot protesters. She said she had not seen her boyfriend and feared he was arrested.

Anger over the junta's assaults on democracy activists seethed around the globe. Protesters denounced the generals at gatherings across the United States, Europe and Asia.

The White House urged "all civilized nations" to pressure Myanmar's leaders to end the crackdown. "They don't want the world to see what is going on there," White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said.

But analysts said it was unlikely that countries with major investments in Myanmar, such as China and India, would agree to take any punitive measures. The experts also noted that the junta has long ignored criticism of its tough handling of dissidents.

Defiant of international condemnation, the military regime turned its troops loose on demonstrators Wednesday. Although the crackdown raised fears of a repeat of a 1988 democracy uprising that saw some 3,000 protesters slain, the junta appeared relatively restrained so far.

The government has said police and soldiers killed 10 people, including a Japanese journalist, in the first two days of the crackdown, but dissident groups put the number as high as 200.

Diplomats and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said Friday the junta's figure probably was greatly understated, based on the reports of witnesses and others. They provided no estimates of their own and cautioned that witness reports had not been verified.

Getting accurate casualty figures has been difficult, with many residents too afraid to speak out and foreign journalists barred from openly entering Myanmar. Soldiers and police were going door-to-door at some hotels in Yangon looking for foreigners.

Violence continued Friday, but there no immediate reports of deaths from the government or dissident groups.

Just a few blocks from the Sule Pagoda in downtown Yangon, some 2,000 protesters armed only with insults and boos briefly confronted soldiers, wearing green uniforms with red bandanas around their necks and holding shields and automatic weapons.

As the crowd drew near, the soldiers fired bullets in the air, sending most of the protesters scurrying away. A handful of demonstrators still walked toward the troops but were beaten with clubs and dragged into trucks to be driven away.

"Why don't the Americans come to help us? Why doesn't America save us?" said an onlooker. who didn't want to be identified for fear of reprisal from the junta.

In other spots, riot police chased smaller groups of die-hard activists, sometimes shooting their guns into the air.

"The military was out in force before they even gathered and moved quickly as small groups appeared, breaking them up with gunfire, tear gas and clubs," Shari Villarosa, the top U.S. diplomat in Myanmar, told The Associated Press.

"It's tragic. These were peaceful demonstrators, very well behaved," she said.

Authorities also shut off the country's two Internet service providers, although big companies and embassies hooked up to the Web by satellite remained online. The Internet has played a crucial role in getting news and images of the democracy protests to the outside world.

At the Shwedagon Pagoda, Myanmar's most important Buddhist temple, about 300 armed policemen and soldiers sat around the compound eating snacks while keeping an eye on the monks.

"I'm not afraid of the soldiers. We live and then we die," said one monk. "We will win this time because the international community is putting a lot of pressure."

Condemnation of the junta has been strong around the world. On Friday, people protested outside Myanmar embassies in Australia, Britain, the Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand and Japan.

The United Nations' special envoy to Myanmar, Ibrahim Gambari, was heading to the country to promote a political solution and could arrive as early as Saturday, one Western diplomat said on condition of anonymity.

While some analysts thought negotiations an unlikely prospect, the diplomat said the junta's decision to let Gambari in "means they may see a role for him and the United Nations in mediating dialogue with the opposition and its leaders."

World pressure has made little impact on the junta over the years. Its members are highly suspicious of the outside world, and they have shrugged off intense criticism over such actions as keeping pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi under house arrest.

Much of the regime's defiance ? and ability to withstand economic sanctions imposed by the West ? stems from the diplomatic and financial support of neighboring China. Another neighbor, India, also has refrained from pressuring the junta.

Analysts say that as long as those two giant countries remain silent and other Southeast Asian countries keep investing in Myanmar, it is unlikely the junta will show any flexibility. Every other time the regime has been challenged by its own people, it has responded with force.

Still, China has been urging the regime in recent months to get moving with long-stalled political reforms, and on Friday the Chinese government told its citizens to reconsider any trips planned to Myanmar.

Myanmar's fellow members in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations expressed "revulsion" over the crackdown and told the junta "to exercise utmost restraint and seek a political solution." Officials in neighboring Thailand said planes were on standby to evacuate ASEAN citizens in case the situation deteriorated.

Troops take back control in Myanmar - Yahoo! News
mlurp
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2007 08:41 pm
@mlurp,
Guess freedom was just a word they thought might make it into the daily vocabulary

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD

Myanmar Leader Delays Meeting With U.N. Envoy, Dissidents Claim 200 Dead
Monday, October 01, 2007

Democratic Voice of Burma


Sept. 27: Japanese journalist Kenji Nagai lay dead on the street after being shot by a soldier during a protest in Rangoon, Myanmar.
Sept. 27: Japanese journalist Kenji Nagai lay dead on the street after being shot by a soldier during a protest in Rangoon, Myanmar.
YANGON, Myanmar ? Myanmar's junta leader kept up his usual tactics for foreign critics Monday, packing a U.N. envoy off to a remote academic conference and stalling for another day the chance for the envoy to deliver international demands for an end to the crackdown on democracy advocates.

Security forces lightened their presence in Yangon, the country's main city, which remained quiet after troops and police brutally quelled mass protests last week. Dissident groups say up to 200 protesters were slain, compared to the regime's report of 10 deaths, and 6,000 detained.

Ibrabim Gambari, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's special envoy to Myanmar, has been in the country since Saturday with the express purpose of seeing Senior Gen. Than Shwe about the violence, but the junta's top man hasn't made himself available.

Than Shwe does not bother with the usual diplomatic protocol and is not an easy man to meet with. In previous sparring with the United Nations and other international bodies over human rights abuses, the regime has repeatedly snubbed envoys and ignored diplomatic overtures.

Instead of the meeting Gambari sought Monday, he was sent to a remote northern town for an academic conference on relations between the European Union and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, diplomats reported, speaking on condition of anonymity.

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Gambari was granted an appointment Tuesday to meet with Than Shwe in Naypyitaw, U.N. officials in New York said.

U.N. associate spokesman Farhan Haq said Gambari would urge the junta "to cease the repression of peaceful protest, release detainees, and move more credibly and inclusively in the direction of democratic reform, human rights and national reconciliation."

State Department spokesman Tom Casey said the U.S. wanted to see Gambari convey a clear message on behalf of the international community "about the need for Burma's leaders to engage in a real and serious political dialogue with all relative parties."

He said that included talking with Aung San Suu Kyi, the opposition leader and Nobel peace laureate who has been under house arrest for years. Diplomats say Than Shwe has an intense hatred for her.

Casey also urged China, India and other nations around Myanmar to do more to pressure the junta to change.

In Yangon, soldiers dismantled roadblocks in the middle of the city and moved to the outskirts, but riot police still checked cars and buses and monitored the streets from helicopters.

Most shops stayed closed and traffic was lighter than usual. After keeping Buddhist monasteries sealed off for several days because of their prominent role in the protests, authorities let some monks go out to collect food donations, but soldiers kept watch on them.

Protests against the government ignited Aug. 19 after it hiked fuel prices, but public anger ballooned into mass demonstrations led by Buddhist monks against 45 years of military dictatorship.

Soldiers responded last week by shooting at unarmed demonstrators. The government says 10 people were killed, but dissident groups say anywhere from several dozen to as many as 200 died in the crackdown.

Opposition groups also say several thousand people were arrested, including many monks who were dragged out of their monasteries and locked up. Many demonstrators were reported held in makeshift prisons at old factories, a race track and universities around Yangon.

It was impossible to independently verify the reports in the tightly controlled nation. Some 70 detainees were released Monday in Yangon, according to Irrawaddy, a Thailand-based news magazine.

Many people who ventured out Monday in Yangon felt the junta had defeated the biggest pro-democracy demonstrations since 1988, when another brutal crackdown killed an estimated 3,000 protesters.

"The people are angry but afraid. Many are poor and struggling in life so they don't join the protests anymore. The monks are weak because they were subjected to attacks," said Theta, a 30-year-old university graduate who drives a taxi and gave only his first name.

He and others who agreed to talk about the protests spoke on condition their identities not be revealed, fearing retaliation by security forces.

"The people are enraged, but they could not do anything because they're facing guns," said a 68-year-old teacher. "I think the protests are over because there is no hope pressing them."

An Asian diplomat said Monday that all the arrested monks had been defrocked ? stripped of their highly revered status ? and were likely to face long jail terms. He spoke on condition of anonymity, citing protocol.

The Shwedagon and Sule pagodas, the two main flash points of the unrest in Yangon were reopened Monday, but there were few visitors. A foreign diplomat said a crucial bridge at Hlaingtharyar leading into Yangon was barricaded by troops.

Internet access remained restricted and cell phone service was sporadic for a fourth day. Both conduits were used by dissidents to get information out about the demonstrations until the junta launched its crackdown Wednesday.

Than Shwe, a former postal clerk who began his army career fighting insurgencies by Myanmar's ethnic minorities, has had an iron grip on power since 1992, having ousted or co-opted any challengers within the military.

Not well educated, he rarely makes public appearances, and there is no record of him traveling to a Western country.

Diplomats who have met him say he has a streak of xenophobia common to Myanmar's military and an almost visceral hatred of Suu Kyi, who has become an international symbol of the yearning for democracy in Myanmar.

In 2004, Than Shwe ousted his main rival, Gen. Khin Nyunt, the powerful head of intelligence, who favored some dialogue with Suu Kyi.

He has also been reported to be deeply attached to the predictions of astrologers and views himself as a throwback to the old kings of Burma. Now in declining health at 74, he suffers from hypertension and diabetes.

FOXNews.com - Myanmar Leader Delays Meeting With U.N. Envoy, Dissidents Claim 200 Dead - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News
mlurp
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2007 09:16 pm
@mlurp,
Guess this says it all.
mlurp
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 10:03 am
@mlurp,
Silverchild79, maybe if this thread continues as I think it will. We need (if possible) to change the title from Burma to the country's new name, Myanmar

Link at the bottom of this post.

U.N. envoy meets Myanmar junta chief By Aung Hla Tun
1 hour, 6 minutes ago


YANGON (Reuters) - U.N. envoy Ibrahim Gambari met Myanmar junta chief Than Shwe and opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi on Tuesday at the end of four-day mission to halt a bloody crackdown on the biggest democracy protests in 20 years.


As he flew out, there was no word on whether Gambari's single meeting with the 74-year-old Senior General, who rarely pays heed to the outside world, had persuaded him to relax his iron grip or start talks with Suu Kyi, whom he is believed to loathe.

Gambari arrived in Singapore on Tuesday and was due to meet the city-state's prime minister, Lee Hsien Loong, on Wednesday, a Singapore government statement said. It provided no further details.

The U.N. office in Yangon said Gambari would return to New York to report to the U.N. Secretary-General. In a statement, it said he met Than Shwe and other members of the senior junta leadership to "discuss the current situation in Myanmar."

Gambari also met Suu Kyi, the statement said. It provided no further details.

Witnesses reported slightly fewer troops on Yangon's streets on Tuesday, but raids on homes by pro-junta gangs looking for dissident monks and civilians suggested Gambari's nascent "shuttle diplomacy" and international calls for restraint had made little difference.

"They are going from apartment to apartment, shaking things inside, threatening the people. You have a climate of terror all over the city," a Bangkok-based Myanmar expert with many friends in Yangon said.

U.S. charge d'affaires Shari Villarosa told Reuters by telephone from Yangon arrests continued throughout Gambari's mission.

"We have heard that arrests are continuing at night, like at two o'clock in the morning. We've heard it's the military. I don't know who is doing it, but people are going around in the middle of the night and taking people away," she said.

"People are terrified. This government keeps power through fear and intimidation and they are trying to intimidate people to stay off the streets."

Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy, which won a massive election landslide in 1990 only to be denied power by the army, said 130 of its members and other activists had been detained.

In another sign the army is confident it has squashed its most serious threat since a 1988 uprising, it cut two hours off a curfew imposed last week during monk-led protests against decades of military rule and deepening economic hardship.

The barbed-wire barricades have also gone from Yangon's Shwedagon and Sule pagodas, the focal points of demonstrations which filled at least five city blocks at their height.

SHUTTLE DIPLOMACY HOPES

Gambari flew to Naypyidaw, the new jungle capital of the country formerly known as Burma, to convey international outrage at last week's military crackdown, which prompted "revulsion" in Southeast Asian neighbors and a rare Chinese call for restraint.

Having met three minister-generals and Suu Kyi at the weekend, the former Nigerian foreign minister was made to wait until Tuesday for his audience with Than Shwe, a delay that did not augur well for those urging reconciliation.

The U.N. Security Council, which endorsed Gambari's emergency visit, had hoped for some sort of dialogue between a military that has been in charge for 45 years and 62-year Nobel laureate Suu Kyi, in detention for nearly 12 of the last 18 years.

Western governments say the death toll in the crackdown is likely to be far higher than the 10 officially acknowledged when troops opened fire to clear protesters from the streets of Yangon, Myanmar's former capital and main city.

In truth, nobody knows how many died in the crackdown, which many feared would descend into a repeat of 1988, when the army was sent in to crush a nationwide uprising and killed an estimated 3,000 people over several months.

"I don't think even the generals have any idea what the real death toll is at the moment," a Hong Kong-based Myanmar human rights expert said after state-run media proclaimed the protests had been dealt "with care, using the least possible force."

"NORMALCY" RETURNS

Buddhist monks say six of their brethren were killed in clashes with security forces and night raids on monasteries in which hundreds of monks were carted off. Many were kicked and beaten, people in the neighborhoods said.

One shocking picture of the body of a maroon-robed, shaven-headed monk lying in a pond has been posted on dissident news Web sites and there are unconfirmed reports of monks caged at a technical institute in north Yangon on hunger strike.

At U.N. headquarters in New York on Monday, Myanmar Foreign Minister Nyan Win accused "political opportunists" of trying to create a showdown with foreign help so they could exploit the ensuing chaos.

In a speech to the annual General Assembly, he said "normalcy" had returned and urged the international community to refrain from measures he said would add fuel to the fire.

One of Asia's brightest prospects and the world's largest rice exporter when it won independence from Britain in 1948, Myanmar is now one of the region's poorest countries despite an abundance of timber, gems, oil and natural gas.

The protests began with small marches against fuel price rises in mid-August but intensified when soldiers shot over the heads of protesting monks, causing the monasteries to mobilize.
U.N. envoy meets Myanmar junta chief - Yahoo! News
mlurp
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 01:41 pm
@mlurp,
A Shot in the Arm
Burma?s rebel fighters were conspicuously absent when monks and ordinary citizens took to the streets of Rangoon. But guerrilla leaders say the mass protests have helped unite their divided groups.
READ ithere.......... Burma: After Protests, Rebels Plot Comeback - Newsweek: World News - MSNBC.com

Looks like it is going to get worst. Anyone find a way to blame America for ths yet?
 

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