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Sat 8 Sep, 2007 06:35 am
As we approach the six year anniversary of 9/11, conspiracy theories abound as to the events on that fateful day that changed America. Are these conspiracy theories just paranoid delusions of a minority of people refusing to accept the official statement or is there a degree of truth that warrants taking a closer look into these heinous charges.
Considered by some as a false flag operation, which is a well planned, thought out operation that is carried out with the intention of stirring up passions and winning the allegiance of the American people in order to facilitate military spending, restriction of civil liberties and a program of aggressive and profitable foreign policy.
Similar to what the Bush administration has been doing for the last near seven years. So does this make me a conspiracy theorist? Facts cannot be ignored that point out certain behavior that is questionable in the eyes of American citizens. Facts that can be obtained easily online and in the documentary ?Loose Change.?
Questions are raised and they do give people a chance to think and investigate on their own the events of September 11. They can draw their own conclusions as to the truth and what they believe. Conspiracy theories are not necessarily a bad thing in the respect that they get people to think for themselves, something the current administration seems to frown upon. At the same time however, belief in something untrue can be a danger to society.
But what if there is some truth to them? :eek:
Even a little bit of truth that seeps through the cracks of government cover up can shine a whole different light on America. If the Federal government had anything, even remotely, to do with the attack on our country, they will come off worse than Saddam could ever imagine being.
Can you imagine, wiping out thousands of your own countrymen to illegally invade a sovereign nation?
What could the purpose of such action be?
Could our President be so cruel and calloused?
Let?s look at some of the evidence that seem to hold the most damaging evidence to the Bush administration. Although there have been attempts to debunk these theories, the ?official? explanation does not make much sense due to the lack of evidence to support it and just plain old common sense.
***Hole in Pentagon wall***
Conspiracy theorist claims this was done by a missile. Their evidence is that a 757 jet airliner would have left a much larger hole in the wall of the Pentagon and produced a far greater debris field. The government claims to have hundreds of eyewitnesses that saw the jet liner crash to the degree that they actually saw passengers through the windows of the plane, which would be impossible just due to the speed that the jet must have been traveling.
Why didn?t they just say that the passengers were all waving at them and blowing them kisses. It would be just as believable.
***Insider trading in the stocks of United Airlines and American Airlines just before September 11***
The official government statement on this topic claims that there was in fact excessive trading of United Airlines and American Airlines stock on September 10, however they claim to have traced this to a market newsletter issued several days prior to 9/11.
That must have been one powerful newsletter to produce the types of trades just days before our nation was attacked. Perhaps, since no author was revealed, the newsletter originated from Al-Qaeda or even perhaps somewhere in Crawford, TX.
***The twin towers were brought down by a controlled demolition***
This is what I immediately felt when I was watching the towers fall and I?m not alone. The official statement here was that the metal structure of the building actually melted due to the high temperature of burning jet fuel.
But I thought jet fuel was immediately burnt off at the point of explosion, which would leave the materials of the building itself burning. Paper, furniture, walls etc., which would not burn hot enough to melt a building.
Debunking these conspiracy theories has produced quite a bit of questions about the events of that fateful early fall morning when our country was attacked, yet no evidence has been ever produced to disprove them.
@FedUpAmerican,
Until left-wingers admit that "our president" doesn't have the mental capacity to pull something of this magnitude off and come to the realization that the Clintonistas were in on it too, it's going to be easy to keep debunking.
But for what it's worth, here's proof that the propaganda you see on TV isn't made by Al-Qaeda but is, in fact, fake footage created by the CIA:
Threat Level - Wired Blogs
@FedUpAmerican,
9/11 - NOT an inside job. Not orchestrated by our government. Not by Bush. Not by Clinton. Seriously, that is a bunch of crazy talk! It's hard to take seriously the opinions of those who would think this.
To follow up on Crito's post, it is so ironic that the same people who repeatedly question Bush's level of intelligence give him credit for pulling off this elaborate attack. These accusations are so clearly driven by obsessive hatred for this man, and the accusations makes it hard for most people to take seriously anything that these accusers say. People will pay more attention to you if your accusations and character attacks are half-ass reasonable.
I am actually questioning why I am even posting a response to this one. Doesn't really warrant one. But I'll slum this time.
@FedUpAmerican,
Welcome to the slums crackface. (one of these days I have to inquire as to the origins of that name)
I agree that bush himself could not have possibly carried out such a precision attack. The though that this could have all beenpulled off by an American for the sake of political gain gives me the shivers and I don't really want to believe it.
Then I think of Timothy McVeigh. He managed to pull of the bombing of a federal building and he didn't look like the sharpest knife in the drawer either. He had limited resources, look at what bush has at his disposal.
I'm not saying that I agree with the conspiacy theorists, but they do make you wonder.
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;35882 wrote:The though that this could have all beenpulled off by an American for the sake of political gain gives me the shivers and I don't really want to believe it.
The thought that this could have all been pulled off by an American for the sake of political gain is not worthy of your shivers because it is absurd.
@crackface mcgee,
crackface_mcgee;35888 wrote:The thought that this could have all been pulled off by an American for the sake of political gain is not worthy of your shivers because it is absurd.
Is it?
Remember, Timothy McVeigh.
I don't think it's absurd at all.
It presents possibilities.
As I said, I'm not supporting theories, but think of it, IF even one or two are correct and the hundreds of others are bullshit, it presents a scarey view of the depths an American can stoop to gain political notoriety.
If McVeigh can pull of his attrocities to the magnitude that he did, can you imagine what the government can pull off?
Absurd? Perhaps.
Possible?
Hmmmm.......
@FedUpAmerican,
Since Bush could not have done it by himself, that leaves the fact that there would have to be an overwhelming number of completely dishonest people in the government and military that were willing to cover up the murder of 3000 Americans. While I may have my doubts, and disagreements with specifics there is no way, by the previous statement, that I believe Bush did this.
Now, if you ask me if I think he knew about it, or if the administration helped facilitate in someways the event, that's a whole different can of worms.
@FedUpAmerican,
its much more possible that it was actually orchestrated by what you guys call the industrial- military complex ( or whatever) as the president can not possibly even start to become involved in thikind of thing , and since that complex has alot of power and friendship with the presidency that helped.
in the end they are the ones gaining billions from it till date.
@FedUpAmerican,
We need to stop honoring 9/11, it is monopolized by the far-right as a call to arms against the middle east despite the fact that the financier of the operation has been allowed to escape. 9/11 was a ****-up, plain and simple, and the sooner we move on, the better off we'll all be.
@FedUpAmerican,
:beat: at this whole thread.
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;36181 wrote::beat: at this whole thread.
He said it better than I did.
@FedUpAmerican,
I believe the title of the thread is Remember 9/11 NOT honouring.
Get your facts straight.
R*E*M*E*M*B*E*R
AS IN don't forget.
@FedUpAmerican,
history channel has a new show airing tuesday night at 9/8 central. looks good from the previews
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;36180 wrote:We need to stop honoring 9/11, it is monopolized by the far-right as a call to arms against the middle east despite the fact that the financier of the operation has been allowed to escape. 9/11 was a ***-up, plain and simple, and the sooner we move on, the better off we'll all be.
No way. America was attacked. Over 3,000 innocents were slaughtered. There's no moving on. NEVER AGAIN. The hunt is on for our enemies.
@FedUpAmerican,
I'm not American but I can't help but be appalled at the attitude towards the death of 3000 innocents that day. Your government wouldn't let planes land in the US after the attack but Canada opened her skies and let those that were suppose to land in the US in my country. I lived in Newfoundland at the time and we took in those that the US turned away as a threat. We opened our doors and our Airports, at considerable risk to our people and yet the lack of respect for those that died that day from Americans is sickening. I'll never forget that day, but then again Politics isn't as important to me as those that died, those that are dying and those who had no home because US airspace was closed. Ours wasn't.
This forum is a mere shadow of what it use to be. I don't like shadows.
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;36241 wrote:No way. America was attacked. Over 3,000 innocents were slaughtered. There's no moving on. NEVER AGAIN. The hunt is on for our enemies.
Actually, hte official number is less then 3000, 2800ish after all the fakes were exposed.
@Red cv,
Red;36278 wrote:I'm not American but I can't help but be appalled at the attitude towards the death of 3000 innocents that day. Your government wouldn't let planes land in the US after the attack but Canada opened her skies and let those that were suppose to land in the US in my country. I lived in Newfoundland at the time and we took in those that the US turned away as a threat. We opened our doors and our Airports, at considerable risk to our people and yet the lack of respect for those that died that day from Americans is sickening. I'll never forget that day, but then again Politics isn't as important to me as those that died, those that are dying and those who had no home because US airspace was closed. Ours wasn't.
This forum is a mere shadow of what it use to be. I don't like shadows.
Red, the compassion you express today and the kindness shown by those in Canada, particularly Newfoundland, is remembered and appreciated. Someone I knew well was en route from Europe when America was attacked. Her plane landed in Newfoundland, and she was taken in by a caring family in Newfoundland and cared for until she could return to her home in Atlanta. Thank you for acknoweledging and remembering the innocent victims. Although too many in this country have grown callous thorugh their political agendas and hatred, most Americans are appreciative.
@FedUpAmerican,
that's all i'll post to this thread.
@Crito,
Crito;35877 wrote:Until left-wingers admit that "our president" doesn't have the mental capacity to pull something of this magnitude off and come to the realization that the Clintonistas were in on it too, it's going to be easy to keep debunking.
But for what it's worth, here's proof that the propaganda you see on TV isn't made by Al-Qaeda but is, in fact, fake footage created by the CIA:
Threat Level - Wired Blogs
Please.........
Conspiracy theories hurt America. When wedded to the ever popular Bush-hating phenomenon in society today, they bear the potential to seriously mislead our youth and successive generations. It's the worst of historical revisionism.
@Red cv,
Red;36278 wrote:I'm not American but I can't help but be appalled at the attitude towards the death of 3000 innocents that day. Your government wouldn't let planes land in the US after the attack but Canada opened her skies and let those that were suppose to land in the US in my country. I lived in Newfoundland at the time and we took in those that the US turned away as a threat. We opened our doors and our Airports, at considerable risk to our people and yet the lack of respect for those that died that day from Americans is sickening. I'll never forget that day, but then again Politics isn't as important to me as those that died, those that are dying and those who had no home because US airspace was closed. Ours wasn't.
I found a great article that I would like to share. I call it "Putting A Face On 9/11"
It appears that it has turned into a faceless memorial and that's sad.
Fed Up American: Putting A Face On 9/11
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