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Decline Of The American Empire

 
 
politically-wrong
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2007 02:21 am
@westernmom,
westernmom;32422 wrote:
And I remember reading about numerous deaths due to bitter cold winter weather in February! How does that fit into global warming?


well it can either fit or be totaly removed if we could find out how many actually died then go back ten years to the exact date and see if there are any significant changes in the toll , may be this is stretching it a bit, but may be just may be it will prove something, if there is global warming i dont know may be lesser people will die of frost bite as the years go by.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2007 01:54 am
@POLITICAL JEDI,
POLITICAL JEDI;32426 wrote:
I don't think the "posters" think they are helping fight the WOT per say, but more along the lines of educating the masses of simple-minded individuals that there is indeed a WOT, and yes, it needs fighting. And the way to fight it is by removing the Talibans, Saddam's, Amadinejad's, Assad's, House of Saud's, ect, ect that do nothing but stifle human progress whilst promoting Anti-Americanism.

In a global society, humans, impossible though it may be, have to start thinking of themselves as "Earthlings", instead of nationalistic terms, because if one part of the eco-system is destroyed or allowed to deteriorate, then all bets are off for the rest...common sense. Hence, we all swim or we all sink.
Earthquakes, vulcanism, weather, etc...are all inter-related. Point.
Food, water, land, and energy, or the lack thereof, are going to be the reasons for our ruin. Unless we act as one...for the preservation and prosperity of all...heresy, sacrilege, maniacal, you say?




Post 9/11, we had to figure out a way to lessen the chances of more 9/11s. Whether you care to admit it or not, the neoconservative foriegn policy of fostering democracy in muslim/arab lands is a weapon in that war. If people are free to build businesses, buy deeded land and build homes, send their children to schools, pursue upward mobility, live their lives without fear, read newspapers of every opinion, vote for their leaders, resolve differences with debate and not bombs, they will have no reason to want to harm us.

There's a profound reason why blue states don't plant IED's on red state highways and visa versa. . .maybe, just maybe, you just don't get why! I notice you're quick to quote Benjamin Franklin's: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety", but what you fail to realize is, freedom is a very fragile thing. Just because you were fortunate enough to have been born into it, and wouldn't know tyranny from a hole in the wall, doesn't mean it automatically comes with the air you breathe -- Freedom was crushed in Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, China's Tiananmen Square 1989, and Iraq 1991. The lesson: matched against tyranny at its point of maximum cruelty, freedom has no chance.

But according to you, you simply can't get behind and support your President in the removing Saddam and his kin from power and implementing our Western values because: "he had run the beginning of the war under such a load of changing BS". . . What a crock of sh*t! :beat:


the "neoconservative foriegn policy of fostering democracy in muslim/arab lands is a weapon in that war"....is true, if one is a fool. How can you ignore history? How can you ignore the ties that bind, on the basis of religion, ethnicity, family, and culture? Easy to do, if you're American. Americans, by and large, don't value culture, and history, and diversity...oh, perhaps in the past, to some measure....otherwise why did they attempt to suppress the indigenous languages and customs of both the African slaves and the Native Americans?
Why, here , in Houston, the way of progress, is to tear down the old, and make way for the new...turn of the century buildings, downtown, are being decimated. why? because the past is not celebrated....if that because the past is so fraught with shame and guilt? Must be.
So, given all that....is it any wonder why the Islamic world looks at the West and America with hatred, and disdain. No one acknowledges their lives, save themselves...no one thinks its of value or worth....they're just raving "towel heads", aren't they? They subscribe to a theocracy (much like Rome, during the Middle Ages), as is their right...and who are we to tell them that they are wrong?
Oh, and I know tyranny....I'm living under it, as we speak....guess you haven't been driving while black (DWB)...it's real, it happens, and you cannot identify, so don't try. Tyranny is what's going on with this White House...the people say nay, and WH says f u .....that sounds like tyranny to me. People in New Orleans can't count on the government coming to their aid, when disaster strikes...that sounds like tyranny to me. We have billions of dollars to repair the infrastructure of Iraq (yeah, right....that money is somewhere heating up some politician's pockets), yet we have bridges falling down killing folk over here....that sounds just like tyranny to me. So don't talk to me about tyranny, and not knowing what it looks like or feels like....I deal with it every day.
Stop with the Saddam terror mess already...he was contained, and impotent...Bush wanted to go to war to fix his manhood and to take our minds off of the domestic agenda....it worked....except for fixing his manhood.
Is that game enough?
POLITICAL JEDI
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2007 02:46 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;32635 wrote:
the "neoconservative foriegn policy of fostering democracy in muslim/arab lands is a weapon in that war"....is true, if one is a fool. How can you ignore history? How can you ignore the ties that bind, on the basis of religion, ethnicity, family, and culture? Easy to do, if you're American. Americans, by and large, don't value culture, and history, and diversity...oh, perhaps in the past, to some measure....otherwise why did they attempt to suppress the indigenous languages and customs of both the African slaves and the Native Americans?
Why, here , in Houston, the way of progress, is to tear down the old, and make way for the new...turn of the century buildings, downtown, are being decimated. why? because the past is not celebrated....if that because the past is so fraught with shame and guilt? Must be.
So, given all that....is it any wonder why the Islamic world looks at the West and America with hatred, and disdain. No one acknowledges their lives, save themselves...no one thinks its of value or worth....they're just raving "towel heads", aren't they? They subscribe to a theocracy (much like Rome, during the Middle Ages), as is their right...and who are we to tell them that they are wrong?
Oh, and I know tyranny....I'm living under it, as we speak....guess you haven't been driving while black (DWB)...it's real, it happens, and you cannot identify, so don't try. Tyranny is what's going on with this White House...the people say nay, and WH says f u .....that sounds like tyranny to me. People in New Orleans can't count on the government coming to their aid, when disaster strikes...that sounds like tyranny to me. We have billions of dollars to repair the infrastructure of Iraq (yeah, right....that money is somewhere heating up some politician's pockets), yet we have bridges falling down killing folk over here....that sounds just like tyranny to me. So don't talk to me about tyranny, and not knowing what it looks like or feels like....I deal with it every day.
Stop with the Saddam terror mess already...he was contained, and impotent...Bush wanted to go to war to fix his manhood and to take our minds off of the domestic agenda....it worked....except for fixing his manhood.
Is that game enough?


My man, look it's 4:40 in the morning here and I'm too shot out right now to be givin you my rebuttal, but check it: I'll holla back at ya tomorrow! And maybe me and you can get down in one of those "good debates" that you seem to be peepin for but just can't find. Very Happy They need one of these with gold fronts or maybe a whip with dubs and spinnaz so we can get down propa! Dirty South style. ..LOL! Just messin with ya and your culture. . .Look I'm drunk, don't mind me. Talk tomorrow. Peace out
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2007 04:53 am
@POLITICAL JEDI,
POLITICAL JEDI;32429 wrote:
Instead of claiming America (a nation with just over 300 million people) is in decline (a totally assinine statement by the way) and posted something along the lines of what China and India (countries with over 1 billion people who have recently jettisoned statism, and found prosperity by emulating Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, and Taiwan) are contributing to the global warming/ pollution problem, maybe, just maybe, someone would take you serious. . .

Bush was right to remove us from Clintons Kyoto treaty . . .And all the other treaties that idiot persued and signed.


We are in a state of decline because we're being colonized by the Third World. Our culture is changing, and the question is whether or not we'll remain a super-power once that colonization process is complete. For example, our middle-class, the backbone of American society and success, is shrinking. It's shrinking because the number of non-working, welfare-dependent Americans is growng, while the size of the working population that supports them is shrinking. Our decline is occurring from within.
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tvsej
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2007 06:35 am
@westernmom,
westernmom;32225 wrote:
My point being that just posting his distorted view and not having solutions is typical of people like him. Has he ever ran for office? Is he active in his community trying to affect a change? Does he have credit cards? What vehicle does he drive?

And, I'm sorry but the global warming has been going on since the earth was created. It's a cycle, people. Goodness, it snowed in here in July last year! The sky is falling...


That is the truth western mom, it is the cycle of our planet it has happened before, and will happen again, true our polution is bad for our environment and for us but please blaming all humans for the condition of our planet is just silly. You could blame all the volcanos too, that is a major problem, if Yellowstone park ever blows half the US is dark. There isn't anything we can do about that!
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westernmom
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 02:09 pm
@RedOct,
"People in New Orleans can't count on the government coming to their aid, when disaster strikes"

And why is it the government's responsibility to respond to every disaster? Our wheat field was hailed out. We had no insurance. We didn't go crying to the government to bail us out. We took the loss, sucked up our belts and did with out that winter.

A local dam broke and a ten foot wall of water slammed down the valley and destroyed several communities around here. We didn't sit around whining and waiting for the government to move in and help. We grabbed shovels, wheelbarrows, and everything else we could to start cleaning up. We made sandwiches and cookies by the hundreds and passed them out to everyone working. We opened our homes to our neighbors and family that were wiped out. We jumped in the tractors and started tearing down and rebuilding. Did the government and the Red Cross come? Yeah, eventually but we already had things well on the way.

It's called personal responsibility. Get of your butts and help yourself and quit whining about being treated poorly and not getting enough handouts. What the h(&^ did they do before the socialized welfare system came in?

It's up to you to save your own culture. Not me or my tax money! I'm too busy trying to save my own.
Red cv
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 03:23 pm
@westernmom,
westernmom;33103 wrote:
"People in New Orleans can't count on the government coming to their aid, when disaster strikes"

And why is it the government's responsibility to respond to every disaster? Our wheat field was hailed out. We had no insurance. We didn't go crying to the government to bail us out. We took the loss, sucked up our belts and did with out that winter.

A local dam broke and a ten foot wall of water slammed down the valley and destroyed several communities around here. We didn't sit around whining and waiting for the government to move in and help. We grabbed shovels, wheelbarrows, and everything else we could to start cleaning up. We made sandwiches and cookies by the hundreds and passed them out to everyone working. We opened our homes to our neighbors and family that were wiped out. We jumped in the tractors and started tearing down and rebuilding. Did the government and the Red Cross come? Yeah, eventually but we already had things well on the way.

It's called personal responsibility. Get of your butts and help yourself and quit whining about being treated poorly and not getting enough handouts. What the h(&^ did they do before the socialized welfare system came in?

It's up to you to save your own culture. Not me or my tax money! I'm too busy trying to save my own.


EGGactly, you have explained what the problem is, minority groups of people have been raised to believe they are entitled to what ever they need. No attempt to solve their problems without the government paying the bill.
Welcome to a Nanny Nation mentality, good luck getting rid of it, once they've sucked the public titty there's no getting them back to the bright side.
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 03:31 pm
@westernmom,
westernmom;33103 wrote:
"People in New Orleans can't count on the government coming to their aid, when disaster strikes"

And why is it the government's responsibility to respond to every disaster? Our wheat field was hailed out. We had no insurance. We didn't go crying to the government to bail us out. We took the loss, sucked up our belts and did with out that winter.

A local dam broke and a ten foot wall of water slammed down the valley and destroyed several communities around here. We didn't sit around whining and waiting for the government to move in and help. We grabbed shovels, wheelbarrows, and everything else we could to start cleaning up. We made sandwiches and cookies by the hundreds and passed them out to everyone working. We opened our homes to our neighbors and family that were wiped out. We jumped in the tractors and started tearing down and rebuilding. Did the government and the Red Cross come? Yeah, eventually but we already had things well on the way.

It's called personal responsibility. Get of your butts and help yourself and quit whining about being treated poorly and not getting enough handouts. What the h(&^ did they do before the socialized welfare system came in?

It's up to you to save your own culture. Not me or my tax money! I'm too busy trying to save my own.


Mom, or should I say Sister, unfortunately the slide in the American work ethic and responsibility are giving quickly way to the liberal leaders of this country that will say and do whatever they have to, to regain the political power. Promise anything - just get the votes. The whiners of this country need to buck up and be accountable for their actions or lack thereof.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 05:44 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;33115 wrote:
Mom, or should I say Sister, unfortunately the slide in the American work ethic and responsibility are giving quickly way to the liberal leaders of this country that will say and do whatever they have to, to regain the political power. Promise anything - just get the votes. The whiners of this country need to buck up and be accountable for their actions or lack thereof.


You need to tell the truth....Liberal leaders are not in control. Excuse me.
Bush and Co. still occupy the WH, and the Republicans will not compromise with the Dems to get anything meaningful done...so, so easy for you to blame "liberals" (call it "spin")...but just wait...the Dems will regain the WH in 2008, and integrity will once again be restored to government, instead of Republican scandal after scandal (a new one today, involving the Republican senator from Idaho, who was arrested at an airport Idaho senator arrested in airport - Yahoo! News)
Please comment on this, because I'd love to hear your take on it...bet you don't have a thing to say.
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RedOct
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 11:22 am
@RedOct,
China threatens 'nuclear option' of dollar sales
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 8:39pm BST August 10, 2007

The Chinese government has begun a concerted campaign of economic threats against the United States, hinting that it may liquidate its vast holding of US treasuries if Washington imposes trade sanctions to force a yuan revaluation.

Dollar to collapse?
Fistful of dollars - China's trade surplus reached $26.9bn in June

Two officials at leading Communist Party bodies have given interviews in recent days warning - for the first time - that Beijing may use its $1.33 trillion (?658bn) of foreign reserves as a political weapon to counter pressure from the US Congress.

Shifts in Chinese policy are often announced through key think tanks and academies.

Described as China's "nuclear option" in the state media, such action could trigger a dollar crash at a time when the US currency is already breaking down through historic support levels.

It would also cause a spike in US bond yields, hammering the US housing market and perhaps tipping the economy into recession. It is estimated that China holds over $900bn in a mix of US bonds.

Xia Bin, finance chief at the Development Research Centre (which has cabinet rank), kicked off what now appears to be government policy with a comment last week that Beijing's foreign reserves should be used as a "bargaining chip" in talks with the US.

"Of course, China doesn't want any undesirable phenomenon in the global financial order," he added.

He Fan, an official at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, went even further today, letting it be known that Beijing had the power to set off a dollar collapse if it choose to do so.

"China has accumulated a large sum of US dollars. Such a big sum, of which a considerable portion is in US treasury bonds, contributes a great deal to maintaining the position of the dollar as a reserve currency. Russia, Switzerland, and several other countries have reduced the their dollar holdings.

"China is unlikely to follow suit as long as the yuan's exchange rate is stable against the dollar. The Chinese central bank will be forced to sell dollars once the yuan appreciated dramatically, which might lead to a mass depreciation of the dollar," he told China Daily.

The threats play into the presidential electoral campaign of Hillary Clinton, who has called for restrictive legislation to prevent America being "held hostage to economic decicions being made in Beijing, Shanghai, or Tokyo".

She said foreign control over 44pc of the US national debt had left America acutely vulnerable.

Simon Derrick, a currency strategist at the Bank of New York Mellon, said the comments were a message to the US Senate as Capitol Hill prepares legislation for the Autumn session.

"The words are alarming and unambiguous. This carries a clear political threat and could have very serious consequences at a time when the credit markets are already afraid of contagion from the subprime troubles," he said.

A bill drafted by a group of US senators, and backed by the Senate Finance Committee, calls for trade tariffs against Chinese goods as retaliation for alleged currency manipulation.

The yuan has appreciated 9pc against the dollar over the last two years under a crawling peg but it has failed to halt the rise of China's trade surplus, which reached $26.9bn in June.

Henry Paulson, the US Tresury Secretary, said any such sanctions would undermine American authority and "could trigger a global cycle of protectionist legislation".

Mr Paulson is a China expert from his days as head of Goldman Sachs. He has opted for a softer form of diplomacy, but appeared to win few concession from Beijing on a unscheduled trip to China last week aimed at calming the waters.
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