Why is homosexuality wrong?

@Campbell34,

I don't care about how great the classic Greek literature is. I care that the World has ignored the warnings given in the Bible. Yes most of the writings were of a pratical nature and asking questions. The Bible does not ask questions, it tells you what will happen in this world because of unchecked sin. The Bible has made people who receive it's message better people over all. And the one's who donot receive it's message often donot try to achieve
those higher moral standards. You say some teens have become infected after their first sexual experience. You asked, would I call them "imoral". My answer to that is YES, if they were not married, YES. Sex is not some game, it is something God gave us to be pure in the marriage. I have had sex with one woman in my life, and that is my wife. Neither one of us have to worry about contracting some social sickness because we followed the Biblical standard. God did not send AIDS, but God told us how to avoid it. And the Bible tells us that most of the world would not be intrested in it's truth, because most of this world loves darkness more than light. This world loves pleasure more than God. And that is why Christ said, wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many their be that go in there at, but narrow is the gate that leads to eternal life, and few there be that find it. When people ignore God's warnings and support lifestyles that will harm others. Then they are the real one's who lack compassion. Real compassion requires that you speak the truth, and give warnings to protect those around you.[/QUOTE]

Would you please give it a rest....everybody has seen or heard you POV....some will agree with you, and others, like myself, think that you're in need of a therapist. Consider it a stalemate. You are obviously not winning folks over to your side, any more than I am winning them to mine. We disagree plain and simple.
I do not believe in a condemning , wrathful God.....I used to, but I don't anymore. Because it doesn't make any sense. Man has figured out, on his own, the difference between right and wrong...and didn't need a Bible or the Torah, or the Koran to tell him so.
We do not know the ways of God, although we tell ourselves that we do.
I believe God to be so vast and so God-like, that no human can encompass or understand him....that is what I believe...therefore, it is arrogant, in my estimation to assign petty and puny human attributes to God, such as vengeance, wrath, and jealousy.
I certainly don't believe God punishes people with disease, although I do believe through prayer and faith, one can be healed from them.
But if I'm wrong...I'll take my punishment, and, hopefully, "like a man".

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@aaronssongs,

aaronssongs;39730 wrote:

I don't care about how great the classic Greek literature is. I care that the World has ignored the warnings given in the Bible. Yes most of the writings were of a pratical nature and asking questions. The Bible does not ask questions, it tells you what will happen in this world because of unchecked sin. The Bible has made people who receive it's message better people over all. And the one's who donot receive it's message often donot try to achieve
those higher moral standards. You say some teens have become infected after their first sexual experience. You asked, would I call them "imoral". My answer to that is YES, if they were not married, YES. Sex is not some game, it is something God gave us to be pure in the marriage. I have had sex with one woman in my life, and that is my wife. Neither one of us have to worry about contracting some social sickness because we followed the Biblical standard. God did not send AIDS, but God told us how to avoid it. And the Bible tells us that most of the world would not be intrested in it's truth, because most of this world loves darkness more than light. This world loves pleasure more than God. And that is why Christ said, wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many their be that go in there at, but narrow is the gate that leads to eternal life, and few there be that find it. When people ignore God's warnings and support lifestyles that will harm others. Then they are the real one's who lack compassion. Real compassion requires that you speak the truth, and give warnings to protect those around you.

Would you please give it a rest....everybody has seen or heard you POV....some will agree with you, and others, like myself, think that you're in need of a therapist. Consider it a stalemate. You are obviously not winning folks over to your side, any more than I am winning them to mine. We disagree plain and simple.
I do not believe in a condemning , wrathful God.....I used to, but I don't anymore. Because it doesn't make any sense. Man has figured out, on his own, the difference between right and wrong...and didn't need a Bible or the Torah, or the Koran to tell him so.
We do not know the ways of God, although we tell ourselves that we do.
I believe God to be so vast and so God-like, that no human can encompass or understand him....that is what I believe...therefore, it is arrogant, in my estimation to assign petty and puny human attributes to God, such as vengeance, wrath, and jealousy.
I certainly don't believe God punishes people with disease, although I do believe through prayer and faith, one can be healed from them.
But if I'm wrong...I'll take my punishment, and, hopefully, "like a man".[/QUOTE]

Well I don't think your to much on thinking things out, otherwise you would of considered the proofs of the Bible. And it's always easier to slap someone and run, and then tell everyone else the guy you hit is really the sick one. You may not know the ways of God, but please don't put me in your WE group. And according to you, God is so vast know one will ever know Him, so I guess that means we can live any kind of life we want. Based on whatever. And if you were really thinking about which Book was possibly true, you might ask yourself, which Book has verifiable prophecy? It only stands to reason that the Book that accurately fortells the future, was the one that God inspired. Of course, you would have to be thinking to do that. Well maybe it would be better for you just to give it a rest.

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;39734 wrote:

Would you please give it a rest....everybody has seen or heard you POV....some will agree with you, and others, like myself, think that you're in need of a therapist. Consider it a stalemate. You are obviously not winning folks over to your side, any more than I am winning them to mine. We disagree plain and simple.
I do not believe in a condemning , wrathful God.....I used to, but I don't anymore. Because it doesn't make any sense. Man has figured out, on his own, the difference between right and wrong...and didn't need a Bible or the Torah, or the Koran to tell him so.
We do not know the ways of God, although we tell ourselves that we do.
I believe God to be so vast and so God-like, that no human can encompass or understand him....that is what I believe...therefore, it is arrogant, in my estimation to assign petty and puny human attributes to God, such as vengeance, wrath, and jealousy.
I certainly don't believe God punishes people with disease, although I do believe through prayer and faith, one can be healed from them.
But if I'm wrong...I'll take my punishment, and, hopefully, "like a man".

Well I don't think your to much on thinking things out, otherwise you would of considered the proofs of the Bible. And it's always easier to slap someone and run, and then tell everyone else the guy you hit is really the sick one. You may not know the ways of God, but please don't put me in your WE group. And according to you, God is so vast know one will ever know Him, so I guess that means we can live any kind of life we want. Based on whatever. And if you were really thinking about which Book was possibly true, you might ask yourself, which Book has verifiable prophecy? It only stands to reason that the Book that accurately fortells the future, was the one that God inspired. Of course, you would have to be thinking to do that. Well maybe it would be better for you just to give it a rest.[/QUOTE]

Like the song from Gershwin's Porgy and Bess, "It Ain't Necessarily So (what you read in the Bible)....
Uh, contrary to your belief...let me tell you, here and now, you are the last person on Earth that would know the ways of God...everyone else would be in the line before you. That being said...your arrogance doesn't impress me, nor does it surprise me...you can talk all that talk until the cows come home, you're not going to convince me otherwise. I am free to believe as I do, just as you are...you do not have the right, nor the wherewithall to tell me what to believe or how to practice my faith...you need to cease and desist....as I don't know who you think you are...but my faith is in God, not Campbell, ok>?
It just irks me, folks going around thinking they have a better hookup to God than anyone else....Pride goeth before a fall....surely, you're going to stumble and break your crown.
I don't need any book to foretell me the future...when all we have is the here and now...we cannot change one iota of the past, and tomorrow is not promised...hellfire, the next minute is not promised...the future will take care of itself....you know what they say about people who don't live in present time....they have accidents. LOL
Stop boring us, please....yadda, yadda, yadda

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@aaronssongs,

aaronssongs;39742 wrote:

Well I don't think your to much on thinking things out, otherwise you would of considered the proofs of the Bible. And it's always easier to slap someone and run, and then tell everyone else the guy you hit is really the sick one. You may not know the ways of God, but please don't put me in your WE group. And according to you, God is so vast know one will ever know Him, so I guess that means we can live any kind of life we want. Based on whatever. And if you were really thinking about which Book was possibly true, you might ask yourself, which Book has verifiable prophecy? It only stands to reason that the Book that accurately fortells the future, was the one that God inspired. Of course, you would have to be thinking to do that. Well maybe it would be better for you just to give it a rest.

Like the song from Gershwin's Porgy and Bess, "It Ain't Necessarily So (what you read in the Bible)....
Uh, contrary to your belief...let me tell you, here and now, you are the last person on Earth that would know the ways of God...everyone else would be in the line before you. That being said...your arrogance doesn't impress me, nor does it surprise me...you can talk all that talk until the cows come home, you're not going to convince me otherwise. I am free to believe as I do, just as you are...you do not have the right, nor the wherewithall to tell me what to believe or how to practice my faith...you need to cease and desist....as I don't know who you think you are...but my faith is in God, not Campbell, ok>?
It just irks me, folks going around thinking they have a better hookup to God than anyone else....Pride goeth before a fall....surely, you're going to stumble and break your crown.
I don't need any book to foretell me the future...when all we have is the here and now...we cannot change one iota of the past, and tomorrow is not promised...hellfire, the next minute is not promised...the future will take care of itself....you know what they say about people who don't live in present time....they have accidents. LOL
Stop boring us, please....yadda, yadda, yadda[/QUOTE]

Well your wrong if you believe that all we have is the here and now. And if you believe that, why do you say you have faith in God? And if you have faith in God, why not have faith in His Book? Not that long ago God showed me a glimpse of heaven, and it will be sad for many when they realize that they passed up His Kingdom for the pleasures of this world. And I don't think I'm better than anyone else, I'm just a Christian saved by grace. God extends His hand to this world, and this world slaps it away, and they tell God we don't need you or your Book. I just told Christ I needed Him, and accepted His gift of salvation. That's the only difference between us. I never told you to have faith in me, it is Christ that I am pointing to. Jesus told us, "marvel not if the world hates you, for they hated me first".

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;39791 wrote:

Like the song from Gershwin's Porgy and Bess, "It Ain't Necessarily So (what you read in the Bible)....
Uh, contrary to your belief...let me tell you, here and now, you are the last person on Earth that would know the ways of God...everyone else would be in the line before you. That being said...your arrogance doesn't impress me, nor does it surprise me...you can talk all that talk until the cows come home, you're not going to convince me otherwise. I am free to believe as I do, just as you are...you do not have the right, nor the wherewithall to tell me what to believe or how to practice my faith...you need to cease and desist....as I don't know who you think you are...but my faith is in God, not Campbell, ok>?
It just irks me, folks going around thinking they have a better hookup to God than anyone else....Pride goeth before a fall....surely, you're going to stumble and break your crown.
I don't need any book to foretell me the future...when all we have is the here and now...we cannot change one iota of the past, and tomorrow is not promised...hellfire, the next minute is not promised...the future will take care of itself....you know what they say about people who don't live in present time....they have accidents. LOL
Stop boring us, please....yadda, yadda, yadda

Well your wrong if you believe that all we have is the here and now. And if you believe that, why do you say you have faith in God? And if you have faith in God, why not have faith in His Book? Not that long ago God showed me a glimpse of heaven, and it will be sad for many when they realize that they passed up His Kingdom for the pleasures of this world. And I don't think I'm better than anyone else, I'm just a Christian saved by grace. God extends His hand to this world, and this world slaps it away, and they tell God we don't need you or your Book. I just told Christ I needed Him, and accepted His gift of salvation. That's the only difference between us. I never told you to have faith in me, it is Christ that I am pointing to. Jesus told us, "marvel not if the world hates you, for they hated me first".[/QUOTE]

Yet, again, you think way too much of yourself..you are in no unique position to ask me about my faith, or my personal relationship with God...God + me - you = "my" relationship with God Almighty.
I find suspect that God has shown you favoritism, above all others, and provided you with a unique "glimpse of heaven"...you being no Joan of Arc.
You obviously "do" think you're better than everyone else...so much so, you feel the need to tell others how they are, what they should be doing, and what to expect. You are a sinner just like the rest of us, and therefore in no position to be telling anyone anything. Yet, you continue...after some in this forum have asked you to stop.
Contrary to popular belief, you are not God's designated mouthpiece...that being said...know that "silence is golden"...give us all the opportunity to deal with the God of our understanding, unhindered by the likes of you, in our own ways (although not to your liking). I don' t give a care what you think...maintain your own, and let mine alone. Can I get an Amen, forum?

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@aaronssongs,

I found this post on MySpace, from a woman asking to join my friends' network...I'm adding her, based on this. Aaron

September 3, 2007 - Monday

Reincarnation and Homosexuality
Category: Religion and Philosophy

Reincarnation and Homosexuality

September 1, 2007

Earlier this week, I had a client ask this question:"Is being gay wrong? That has always troubled me. Thank you."

I compiled a response that I think represents what I have learned thus far from continued spirits about this subject through my ability as a Clairaudient. It is very simple to understand if we remember that the true God, not the manmade one, runs EVERYTHING.

Dearest,

This, life, is all a journey, and all of us have tasks to accomplish that complete certain lessons. Let it suffice to say, that from what I know about the nature of reincarnation, more than likely, we will ALL be gay at some point in our journey, as we will all be bigots at some point. Each lifetime has something to teach us. So try and see it this way if you can. God runs EVERYTHING, and we are made, each lifetime, to accomplish the tasks She/He/It has put before you to do. Your primary goal is to weather and accomplish the challenges in that lifetime - your own perception, other's perception, physical challenges, etc. - with the most grace and self-awareness, so that ultimately in each lifetime, you strive for and accomplish being your very best spiritual self.

All you have to do is look at a Hermaphrodite to know that God creates people with a range of hormonal levels that do not fall under the "all male" or "all female" categories. If that is true, a person created by God, who is more powerful than we can imagine, can never be anything but perfect, as they are. So if you were "born" with these proclivities, then you are as you should be and carrying out the design you were given this lifetime to live and work with and through, never forgetting and always focused upon being your best self.

Now, having said all of that, however, if being gay is a response to pain and a "decision" made out of reacting to that pain, like say from being molested as a child, or raped, or hating an opposite sexed parent, etc., that is a different issue. It is your responsibility to make sure that you are not allowing the experience to somehow distort your natural spiritual self, to become someone you were not inclined to be. Therefore, you must make sure that your spirit is not damaged, and that you are going with that and harboring anger and hatred developed out of pain. That is not appropriate and must be worked on in order to become your best spiritual self.

Let's say that at the end of that true and genuine examination, and even if you began a journey in homosexuality out of pain, but you have worked hard to make sure you have rid yourself of all hatred, pain, angst, prejudice against the offending sex who originally hurt you, and you still choose to become homosexual after having righted yourself spiritually, that may have been part of God's lesson, and you may be your best spiritual self at that point, but that is tricky. Most, or maybe many people don't actually do the work to be sure they are spiritually well, and somewhere in the backs of their minds is the feeling that "all men are pigs!" or such. Then no, you haven't as a spirit, worked everything out.

Then there is another factor to consider. God runs this show, ALWAYS, not when some people find it convenient. And if you were a bigot against homosexuals in a past lifetime, and say killed one because of your hatred, you can bet that somewhere along the reincarnation journey, you are likely to become a homosexual and that is your task to come back and understand. In that case, you might well be, but not always be, a homosexual who has to learn and understand what pain is caused by such behavior. You might well be in turmoil as a homosexual this lifetime, or be abused as one, or by some and not be homosexual at all, but around them, or work for the causes of same just as well. That also depends upon how God determines you should have the lessons that She figures will bring you to become your best spiritual self during this lifetime.

Therefore, it is a very complex thing, each of our lives, and could not possibly have one ridiculous rule like "all homosexuals are against God and nature, and thus wrong"! Only a controlling person or people who has/have no true understanding of the complexities of God, and the all powerful nature of this master alchemist could impose such a hateful, damaging belief system upon another human being.

Let it go, if it haunts you - on either side of the issue - and strive to become your best spiritual self at all times. Don't let people damage you with their feeble attempts to interpret for a being so much more than most dare to imagine. That is the reason that small minded people develop a system to shame another human being, because they lack the capacity to comprehend such power as is God.

Your goal, and mine, is to always get to the root of things and become the most loving and surefooted beings who dispel hate and bigotry in any form. That is our primary and absolute task on this plane, in this dimension, to become our best spiritual selves. Assigning small minded attributes to a being of such tremendous, enormous and from our standards, infinite power, is just absurd and insulting, like a gnat determining how an elephant pulls a tree trunk down, as if.

If you are doing that, working every day at being and becoming your best self, then you are perfect, so I've been told!

Eva Ravenwood
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@Greatest I am cv,

Greatest I am;38301 wrote:

The victim is the homosexual person himself. Homosexuality is a sin because it goes against God's will. God did not intend for two men or two women to engage in sexual relation with each other...its perversion.

A marriage between a man and a woman is symbolic of the relationship between Jesus and His Church. Also it is also symbolic of the man being joined to his wife, which in the beginning came from his body(Adam and Eve).

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@Brian764,

Brian@764;40964 wrote:

The victim is the homosexual person himself. Homosexuality is a sin because it goes against God's will. God did not intend for two men or two women to engage in sexual relation with each other...its perversion.

A marriage between a man and a woman is symbolic of the relationship between Jesus and His Church. Also it is also symbolic of the man being joined to his wife, which in the beginning came from his body(Adam and Eve).

Brian,
Okay...this is where we part company...that is fine, if that is what you believe. I, on the otherhand believe that God, in His Infinite Wisdom, made me as I am...Marriage is not God's divine will....if it was, then those people who remain single, and /or celibate would be damned...which, of course is ridiculous to assume....so, I believe God, being totally about Love and Light, brings together various people to enrich each other, to be companions to each other, and to bring about a better understanding of Him, who is the God of
all.
You cannot tell others what to believe, how to practice their faith, or interpret the Bible for them...it is readily available to all, and speaks to all, in various and sundry manners. My God is not as small as your God. Excuse me. And I played a victim for years, until God released me from that burden.

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@aaronssongs,

aaronssongs;40973 wrote:

Brian,
Okay...this is where we part company...that is fine, if that is what you believe. I, on the otherhand believe that God, in His Infinite Wisdom, made me as I am...Marriage is not God's divine will....if it was, then those people who remain single, and /or celibate would be damned...which, of course is ridiculous to assume....so, I believe God, being totally about Love and Light, brings together various people to enrich each other, to be companions to each other, and to bring about a better understanding of Him, who is the God of
all.
You cannot tell others what to believe, how to practice their faith, or interpret the Bible for them...it is readily available to all, and speaks to all, in various and sundry manners. My God is not as small as your God. Excuse me. And I played a victim for years, until God released me from that burden.

Your reasoning here is flawed; the Bible does not say that being single is a sin, but it does say that same sex relationship is. It is fine if one chose not to get married, but if they desire to it must be within God's guild lines. In fact, a true child of God, if he/is mature spiritualy will desire and seek to do God's will. The problem is that human nature is always in conflict with God's will; it does not want to subject it self to what God word says. It seeks to justify it actions rather than say, yes God, I have a problem but I am powerless to stop it, help me.

A person who has sexual relationship with an animal, a child or even a corpse could used that same argument that you use by saying that God made me as I am.

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@Brian764,

Brian@764;40975 wrote:

Your reasoning here is flawed; the Bible does not say that being single is a sin, but it does say that same sex relationship is. It is fine if one chose not to get married, but if they desire to it must be within God's guild lines. In fact, a true child of God, if he/is mature spiritualy will desire and seek to do God's will. The problem is that human nature is always in conflict with God's will; it does not want to subject it self to what God word says. It seeks to justify it actions rather than say, yes God, I have a problem but I am powerless to stop it, help me.

A person who has sexual relationship with an animal, a child or even a corpse could used that same argument that you use by saying that God made me as I am.

Brian....don't even go there with me....I am not even flinching. I don't care what you believe...it's not what I believe...and you can't tell me what the Bible says....you are not even certain what the Bible says. Do not presume to speak for God....God speaks to everyone...you don't have no better hookup than I, or anyone else...get over your arrogance. You ain't the one. God doesn't need for you to tell anyone about what or how to do...you are flawed just like everybody else....so , you work on Brian, and keep your comments about this to yourself. I don't want to hear it, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Don't like gay...don't be it.

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@Brian764,

Brian@764;40975 wrote:

Your reasoning here is flawed; the Bible does not say that being single is a sin, but it does say that same sex relationship is. It is fine if one chose not to get married, but if they desire to it must be within God's guild lines. In fact, a true child of God, if he/is mature spiritualy will desire and seek to do God's will. The problem is that human nature is always in conflict with God's will; it does not want to subject it self to what God word says. It seeks to justify it actions rather than say, yes God, I have a problem but I am powerless to stop it, help me.

A person who has sexual relationship with an animal, a child or even a corpse could used that same argument that you use by saying that God made me as I am.

have a victim in the equation.

Straight homosexuality does not.

If God wanted only one kind of marriage then why did and does He create the Gay nature.
Last I heard He was still in control of souls and creates them all Perfect.
Why are we urged to discriminate and denigrate those who cause no harm to others or to themselves?
Is God being unfair here and if not then what justification is He using to urge us to hate them and exclude them?

Regards
DL

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@Greatest I am cv,

Greatest I am;41138 wrote:

have a victim in the equation.

Straight homosexuality does not.

If God wanted only one kind of marriage then why did and does He create the Gay nature.
Last I heard He was still in control of souls and creates them all Perfect.
Why are we urged to discriminate and denigrate those who cause no harm to others or to themselves?
Is God being unfair here and if not then what justification is He using to urge us to hate them and exclude them?

Regards
DL

Biologically speaking, the urge to procreate is at the molecular level...it's programmed into our DNA.
Philosophically speaking, children are not a practical option for some...for "me".
One has to be incredibly unselfish and vain, at the same time, to have offspring. I am neither. I was W.C. Fields, in another life....I don't like kids. They bother me. I've digressed.
I've been attracted to the same sex since the age of 4. What is that? What does a four year old know of sexuality? Yet, I'm here today, telling you that that was my experience...and I was not molested as a child. So where does that come from? I believe there are gay brains and straight brains....mine is the former. Of course , there is nature and nurture...winds blow in different directions, creating currents and eddies...there are factors in the equation.
Despite the trials and tribulations, I have grown to be "well-adjusted", and functional ( which is more than can be said for some), and I have learned not to take it so seriously, which makes room for creativity and rewarding relationships.
As musician Michael Franti, says in a song, "It's not about who you love, it's about do you love".

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@aaronssongs,

aaronssongs;41146 wrote:

Biologically speaking, the urge to procreate is at the molecular level...it's programmed into our DNA.
Philosophically speaking, children are not a practical option for some...for "me".
One has to be incredibly unselfish and vain, at the same time, to have offspring. I am neither. I was W.C. Fields, in another life....I don't like kids. They bother me. I've digressed.
I've been attracted to the same sex since the age of 4. What is that? What does a four year old know of sexuality? Yet, I'm here today, telling you that that was my experience...and I was not molested as a child. So where does that come from? I believe there are gay brains and straight brains....mine is the former. Of course , there is nature and nurture...winds blow in different directions, creating currents and eddies...there are factors in the equation.
Despite the trials and tribulations, I have grown to be "well-adjusted", and functional ( which is more than can be said for some), and I have learned not to take it so seriously, which makes room for creativity and rewarding relationships.
As musician Michael Franti, says in a song, "It's not about who you love, it's about do you love".

You are likely correct.
The bell curve of whether or not one is Gay probably has a weird shape for some because I think chemistry is a factor as well. From your view this can start at the molecular level but would only point out that some flip flop on the bell curve in both forward and reverse manners.

Homophobia though is more of a nurture versus nature item. It is more learned than instinctual.
This is the enemy and Bibles perpetuate the problem.
Christians are slowly learning that the Bibles have errors and some denominations have already taken proper steps. Other religions will follow including Islam.

Regards
DL

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@Greatest I am cv,

Greatest I am;41138 wrote:

have a victim in the equation.

Straight homosexuality does not.

If God wanted only one kind of marriage then why did and does He create the Gay nature.
Last I heard He was still in control of souls and creates them all Perfect.
Why are we urged to discriminate and denigrate those who cause no harm to others or to themselves?
Is God being unfair here and if not then what justification is He using to urge us to hate them and exclude them?

Regards
DL

And who said that God created the guy nature as you call it? Where in the Bible could you go to to prove this?

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@Brian764,

Brian@764;41193 wrote:

And who said that God created the guy nature as you call it? Where in the Bible could you go to to prove this?

God created us all....as we are...imperfect, on our quest to perfection, which we never attain....God speaks to us all...where in the Bible is it promised that he will or does? Not everything is in the Bible....God gave us minds, and expects us to use common sense. Of course, it's optional.

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@aaronssongs,

aaronssongs;41228 wrote:

God created us all....as we are...imperfect, on our quest to perfection, which we never attain....God speaks to us all...where in the Bible is it promised that he will or does? Not everything is in the Bible....God gave us minds, and expects us to use common sense. Of course, it's optional.

He also created the murderer, the racsist, the thief, the abuser and all those who take advantage of others for there own interest....these people can make the same excuses as you do.

Yes we are not perfect, but the Bible says, "become you perfect as your Father in heaven heaven is perfect." Yes, not everything is in the Bible, but it is the Bible that homosexuality is a sin. While none of us are perfect, God expect those who are Christian to strive to overcome sin, and not make excuses for there sins. God gives us a minde, but it is not our mind that we should be leading His people, but the Holy Spirit.

True Christians will strive to be as God is

Matthew 5:48 (KJV)
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

A few list of what is sinful of which homosexuality is one that is mentioned

Romans 1:27-32 (KJV)
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Jeremiah 23:14 (KJV)
14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

God considered the pritise of sin wickedness

Genesis 13:13 (KJV)
13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.

Genesis 18:20-21 (KJV)
20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

Genesis 19:4-11 (KJV)
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

Genesis 19:13 (KJV)
13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

Genesis 19:24-25 (KJV)
24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Matthew 4:4 (KJV)
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

It is not our human reasoning that we should live by.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV)
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

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@Brian764,

Brian@764;41250 wrote:

He also created the murderer, the racsist, the thief, the abuser and all those who take advantage of others for there own interest....these people can make the same excuses as you do.

Yes we are not perfect, but the Bible says, "become you perfect as your Father in heaven heaven is perfect." Yes, not everything is in the Bible, but it is the Bible that homosexuality is a sin. While none of us are perfect, God expect those who are Christian to strive to overcome sin, and not make excuses for there sins. God gives us a minde, but it is not our mind that we should be leading His people, but the Holy Spirit.

True Christians will strive to be as God is

Matthew 5:48 (KJV)
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

A few list of what is sinful of which homosexuality is one that is mentioned

Romans 1:27-32 (KJV)
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Jeremiah 23:14 (KJV)
14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

God considered the pritise of sin wickedness

Genesis 13:13 (KJV)
13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.

Genesis 18:20-21 (KJV)
20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

Genesis 19:4-11 (KJV)
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

Genesis 19:13 (KJV)
13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

Genesis 19:24-25 (KJV)
24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Matthew 4:4 (KJV)
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

It is not our human reasoning that we should live by.

Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV)
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Brian,
I asked you not to go there...but in your arrogance and your insistence that you be heralded for your superiority and holiness, you went 'there", anyway.
Do not quote scripture to me...you, who sin daily, as the rest of us...my sins, whatever they are, are no greater than your own. Look at the thumb pointing back at you, before you point any fingers....how dare you?
There you go, doing what God insisted that we don't do...is judging one another. A supreme sin, if you ask me...
I don't know who you think you are, but you are hardly the one to invoke righteousness. Get you some business.

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@Brian764,

Brian@764;41193 wrote:

And who said that God created the guy nature as you call it? Where in the Bible could you go to to prove this?

Scripture indicates that all of God's works are Perfect.
It also indicates that all that is was created by God.
This would include all souls and all natures.
If God does not create the Gay nature then who else has the power?
Man does not have the power to create anything.

Regards
DL

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@Greatest I am cv,

The PinK Embassy

In September 2001, Michael Guest, an openly gay man, was appointed as the U.S. Ambassador to Romania. Guest's presence made Bucharest a more attractive assignment for other gays in the Foreign Service, exporting not democracy or free markets but the sexual revolution.

Gays and Lesbians in Foreign Affairs Agencies (GLIFAA), lists increasing opportunities for same-sex partners accompanying personnel on assignment overseas and securing taxpayer-funded health insurance and benefits for the partners and children of lesbian and gay employees in its mission statement. As the gay marriage debate raged at home, taxpayers began to foot the bill for defacto union[s] in Bucharest.

Advertisements for the annual Christmas parties invited not just spouses but partners. Suddenly it was like there was a club running thing, said one Foreign Service veteran who had been stationed there. If you weren’t part of the gay clique, you did not belong. After Guest began his mission, the persistent recognition and endorsement of same-sex partners prevented a devout Evenglical Christian and father of five, who had been accustomed to his post being a family-friendly environment, from participating in certain events to avoid having to explain homosexuality to his young children.

Others who have worked in Bucharest claim that the cultural shift at the embassy was not limited to the formal approval of same-sex relationships and make graver charges. These witnesses claim that promiscuity among some Americans stationed in Romania increased to levels that threatened to jeopardize the mission's reputation and subject U.S. government employees to blackmail. They stated that some diplomats were engaging in homosexual relations with Romanian citizens and other foreign nationals.

Such dalliances led some to ridicule the U.S. diplomatic presence in Romania as the pink embassy and the Bucharest bathhouse. A letter sent by a group of Romanian NGOs and individuals to President Bush and Secretary Powell in January named high-level appointees responsible for having "transformed the U.S. diplomatic addresses in to havens of debauchery", and further alleges that ased on reports and pornographic photos circulating around newspapers they.. use their privileged positions to corrupt young Romanians, paying them for sexual relations, by both cash and visas to the U.S. The signatories of this letter include the Union of War Veterans, the National League of December 1989 Combatants, and three former Romanian parliament members.

An erstwhile gay lover of a former high-ranking official at the USAID mission in Bucharest has described such conduct in a sworn statement. He says that he lived with this official for four years in his government housing under the guise of serving as household help. There he claims to have witnessed U.S. government employees engaged in lewd acts and entering into other compromising positions.

According to his deposition, these acts included multiple sexual encounters with young Romanian men, some of whom may have been minors. The high-ranking USAID official's taxpayer-provided residence was said to be the site of wild sexually charged parties where participants allegedly used drugs and viewed pornography. He states that this official has made sexually explicit photographs of himself available on the Internet. He accuses other officials of paying for sexual favors as well as offering foreign nationals visas in exchange for money or sex. Asked for comment, the USAID press office said it was unaware of any such allegations. Calls to the Inspector General's office were not returned.

This goes beyond moral and cultural tensions over homosexuality. If true, these serious betrayals of diplomatic responsibility are incompatible with the professional climate required to represent this country abroad effectively. Contrary to a firm U.S. policy against illicit sexual liaisons and the corruption of minors, they would constitute illegal acts using taxpayers' property and money with the potential to harm national security.

In addition, our national reputation has suffered enough recent damage in Romania due to the case of Kurt Treptow, a prominent historian the U.S. embassy in Bucharest placed on the Fulbright Commission. Yet Treptow was a convicted sex offender. He videotaped himself engaging in sexual acts with children as young as seven, some of whom were allegedly orphans, and was sentenced to seven years in Romanian prison for pedophilia and child abuse.

In addition to the allegations about Guest’s role in Treptow appointment, newspaper articles accused Guest of poor leadership in presiding over an embassy that the paper says is plagued by mismanagement. Several of the articles accuse embassy officials, including Guest, of engaging in influence-peddling in the appointment of outsiders to embassy posts. One article accuses the embassy of assisting U.S. citizens in obtaining legal assistance in Romania to adopt children in what it calls a multi-million dollar adoption effort in which U.S.-owned adoption agencies allegedly charge $10,000 or more to facilitate adoptions for Americans.

In July 2004, Guest was recalled to the U.S. Department of State following a yearlong onslaught of articles in an English language newspaper in Bucharest accusing Guest of corruption and mismanagement. Whoever is posted as U.S. ambassador to Romania will be responsible for maintaining acceptable standards of conduct.

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@RedOct,

RedOct;41272 wrote:

Michael Guest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I could not find any negative commentary to confirm the allegations you posted...while what is represented is hardly to be condoned, it remains unsubstantiated, and could amount to nothing more than lies and innuendo.
Are you so apt to find fault with the man because of his sexual orientation, or behind hearsay?

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