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Why is homosexuality wrong?

 
 
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 11:27 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;38488 wrote:

Me being told that I'm not intellectual, by someone who frequently misspells words, is totally laughable...you'RE *fixt* incapable of judging me. I have friends and interests that remind me constantly that I am. And you may be right ...I am probably the most obstinate liberal you have ever met...
And my sock does not stink. LOL (that is what you meant, isn't it?)


Gotta love The new windows eh... immediate recognition of misspellings to avoid little embarrassments, unfortunately if you use the WRONG word, it doesn't catch that (see above for my FIXT section)
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Freeman15
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 11:49 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;38488 wrote:

Me being told that I'm not intellectual, by someone who frequently misspells words, is totally laughable...you incapable of judging me. I have friends and interests that remind me constantly that I am. And you may be right ...I am probably the most obstinate liberal you have ever met...
And my sock does not stink. LOL (that is what you meant, isn't it?)


I won't get into an argument concerning spelling with somebody who uses ellipses in lieu of periods or comas, so let's just both take the high road and stick to the issue. I also won't go into the process of comparing collegiate degrees to determine the true intellectual.

Your sexuality does not define you as a person, your actions and ideas do. If you're a Christian, and you're actively gay, you've done something morally wrong as per your particular belief system, there is no getting around that. I am not a Christian, nor do I really care in what manner you like to have sex, so the issue is moot for me. However, homosexuality IS a defect of human development, a natural defect, but a defect. They still deserve the same rights as heterosexuals in our society because SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS NOT A LEGAL ISSUE. The reason gays are singled out so often is because many of them choose to identify themselves by their sexuality.

If a human being wants to have sex with a goat, and the goat likes it, let it be. If two women want to be joined for life, more power to them. You are not defined by with whom you sleep or in what manner you like your sex!

IF there is a God, and he is all-knowing and all-powerful, he would not condemn homosexuals to "hell", because logically, nobody would "want" to be gay in most cultures, people generally like to fit in. Homosexuality isn't a choice like say, killing somebody, ergo it should not be considered a "sin" in the traditional sense. If God sent gays to hell it would be as if he sent deer to hell for eating plants; he's punishing them for doing what their instinct is telling them to do, an instinct he gave them. Early Christians likely excluded gays from their reindeer games for the same reason they shunned pre-marital sex; it didn't lead to the creation of children within the confines of a home. If you're gay, and a Christian, accept the fact that many of your fellow church-goers disapprove of your lifestyle. Life is full of instances in which you'll piss people off, who cares? Do your thing and deal with it.
briansol
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 11:55 am
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;38506 wrote:
Your sexuality does not define you as a person, your actions and ideas do.


:peace:
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 12:24 pm
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;38506 wrote:
I won't get into an argument concerning spelling with somebody who uses ellipses in lieu of periods or comas, so let's just both take the high road and stick to the issue. I also won't go into the process of comparing collegiate degrees to determine the true intellectual.


I choose to utilize quotation marks for emphasis...my prerogative.
And I beg to differ...collegiate degrees do not determine intellect, or the ability to express ideas...it merely means that you fulfilled the requirements of the courses for your discipline. And I have no desire to argue with you...my suggestion, take it or leave it, is to research and spell-check, before you send a post out, which will increase the likelihood of your being taken seriously.



Your sexuality does not define you as a person, your actions and ideas do.
Wow! the first thing you've posted I can agree on....with a caveat...your sexuality is intrinsically a part of your make up, and therefore, cannot be disregarded. It is but a part of the whole.

If you're a Christian, and you're actively gay, you've done something morally wrong as per your particular belief system, there is no getting around that.

Again. Opinion. If you engage in pre-marital sex, you've done something morally wrong...how many here would admit to doing that...suffice to say, the list would be long, indeed...One sin doesn't trump another...we all sin, and fall short of the glory. What I would suggest is that we refrain from pointing out each other's shortcomings, since we all have them...and try to work on our own ( word to all the "holier-than-thou's). But since you and no other person is God...why don't we wait and let God be "the decider"...and just shut the hell up...no doubt, he'll be getting around to the rest of you, soon enough.
Why that is such a hard concept for you right wingers to get, is beyond me.

Im not a Christian, nor do I really care in what manner you like to have sex, so the issue is moot for me. However, homosexuality IS a defect of human development, a natural defect, but a defect. They still deserve the same rights as heterosexuals in our society because SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS NOT A LEGAL ISSUE. The reason gays are singled out so often is because many of them choose to identify themselves by their sexuality.

Hmmm, let's see...you're not a Christian, yet you are preaching Christian doctrine to a Christian....what's wrong with that picture....see the problem is no one can tell anyone else how to have a relationship with God...it's personal. Everyone deals with it differently...there is no prototype...there is no "one size fits all"...ok? Can we agree upon that?
12-step programs, all include the steps...the third step being: # Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

Did you get that? Not as "you' understand Him....as "we" understand him...and by extension, "I". That's the trouble...people want to define God and his ways, the way that they understand it....what's right for me, may not be right for you.....everyone here, ought to read "The Desiderata"
Max Ehrmann's "Desiderata"

maybe, then, they would stop being so high and mighty...as if they knew it all.


If a human being wants to have sex with a goat, and the goat likes it, let it be. If two women want to be joined for life, more power to them. You are not defined by with whom you sleep or in what manner you like your sex!

IF there is a God, and he is all-knowing and all-powerful, he would not condemn homosexuals to "hell", because logically, nobody would "want" to be gay in most cultures, people generally like to fit in. Homosexuality isn't a choice like say, killing somebody, ergo it should not be considered a "sin" in the traditional sense. If God sent gays to hell it would be as if he sent deer to hell for eating plants; he's punishing them for doing what their instinct is telling them to do, an instinct he gave them. Early Christians likely excluded gays from their reindeer games for the same reason they shunned pre-marital sex; it didn't lead to the creation of children within the confines of a home. If you're gay, and a Christian, accept the fact that many of your fellow church-goers disapprove of your lifestyle. Life is full of instances in which you'll piss people off, who cares? Do your thing and deal with it.


True enlightenment....pains me to say it, but I'm
impressed. There may yet be hope for you, after all.
Freeman15
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 12:31 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;38513 wrote:
True enlightenment....pains me to say it, but I'm
impressed. There may yet be hope for you, after all.


Chrstianity is an organized religion, and to claim to be a Christian, you have to adhere to that particular doctrine. I oppose organized religion, and believe you should find your own path, but gay Christians ARE morally flawed according to the teachings of their own church. Islam decrees alcohol forbidden, thus, Muslim drunkards are morally wrong as per the teachings of their faith. You can't just redefine a religion when it suits you.

By the way, "ellipses" are the "....." you use between thoughts, not quotation marks.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 12:33 pm
@briansol,
briansol;38509 wrote:
:peace:


Ok? Enlightenment! Impressive.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 12:48 pm
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;38514 wrote:
Chrstianity is an organized religion, and to claim to be a Christian, you have to adhere to that particular doctrine. I oppose organized religion, and believe you should find your own path, but gay Christians ARE morally flawed according to the teachings of their own church. Islam decrees alcohol forbidden, thus, Muslim drunkards are morally wrong as per the teachings of their faith. You can't just redefine a religion when it suits you.


You, sir, cannot tell me how to celebrate my religion. You cannot tell me how or what to believe. You are free to think whatever...grant me the same.
Seems all the major Protestant denominations, precisely, redefined religion, so that it suited them. Excuse me.
And for godssake, use spell check. God will be judging me on my merits...not how well I applied the opinion of Freeman15, or anyone else, for that matter.

By the way, "ellipses" are the "....." you use between thoughts, not quotation marks.


Ellipsis (plural ellipses; from Greek ἔλλειψις 'omission') in printing and writing refers to the row of three full stops (... or . . . ) or asterisks (***) indicating an intentional omission. This punctuation mark is also called a suspension point, points of ellipsis, periods of ellipsis, or colloquially, dot-dot-dot. An ellipsis is sometimes used to indicate a pause in speech, an unfinished thought or, at the end of a sentence, a trailing off into silence (aposiopesis).

I employ poetic license in using quotation marks, to illustrate "emphasis", in my posts...been doing it for quite a while...and I have only encountered resistance , here, on this board. Your reference to ellipses was wrong, and I am not using quotation marks as ellipses. Thank you. Talk about what you know, assuming nothing.
Freeman15
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 01:15 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;38516 wrote:
Ellipsis (plural ellipses; from Greek ἔλλειψις 'omission') in printing and writing refers to the row of three full stops (... or . . . ) or asterisks (***) indicating an intentional omission. This punctuation mark is also called a suspension point, points of ellipsis, periods of ellipsis, or colloquially, dot-dot-dot. An ellipsis is sometimes used to indicate a pause in speech, an unfinished thought or, at the end of a sentence, a trailing off into silence (aposiopesis).

I employ poetic license in using quotation marks, to illustrate "emphasis", in my posts...been doing it for quite a while...and I have only encountered resistance , here, on this board. Your reference to ellipses was wrong, and I am not using quotation marks as ellipses. Thank you. Talk about what you know, assuming nothing.



No, I mentioned your punctuation, when you came back with the mention of quotation marks, that was when I clarified what an ellipsis was, because you led me to believe you thought the word meant "quotation marks". Write more concisely and use appropriate grammar, and perhaps these misunderstandings won't happen. Further, failing to hit the "i" key negates an argument to your mind? I suppose I'll have to adopt the rule of negating arguments devoid of periods. I'm done discussing grammar with you.

How you practice your religion is your business true enough, but to claim to be Christian you have to accept the tenets of Christianity, one of which is the rejection of homosexuality. If however you claim to be Christian, and practice homosexuality, within the confines of your church's doctrine, you are acting immorally. This isn't opinion, this is fact, derived from The Bible, which is the sacred text of Christianity.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 01:37 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
Greatest I am;38471 wrote:
Aaronsongs

While the name of Jesus is tied to a Bible that denigrates against homosexuals the way it does, His message will be lost by the homophobic noise of scripture.
The Bible must change it's stance.

Regards
DL


Thank you for that....
Didn't Christ implore those who are without sin to cast the first stone, against (allegedly) Mary Magdalene...when the crowd realized the implication, they dropped their stones and left. Maybe the story needs to be told in parable for "this crowd" to "get it".
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 01:53 pm
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;38518 wrote:
No, I mentioned your punctuation, when you came back with the mention of quotation marks, that was when I clarified what an ellipsis was, because you led me to believe you thought the word meant "quotation marks". Write more concisely and use appropriate grammar, and perhaps these misunderstandings won't happen. Further, failing to hit the "i" key negates an argument to your mind? I suppose I'll have to adopt the rule of negating arguments devoid of periods. I'm done discussing grammar with you.

Ah, but I'm not finished discussing it with you...and as most 'round here have come to understand...I frequently get the last word. I didn't ask you about ellipses. I wasn't employing "ellipses"...I was using "quotation marks", and I indicated why I was using quotation marks and "how". Poetic license means the writer or author claims liberties in writing style or syntax, which is his or her right. I know what I'm doing, and why I'm doing it....you needn't offer up any advice, ill-equipped, as you are.


How you practice your religion is your business true enough, but to claim to be Christian you have to accept the tenets of Christianity, one of which is the rejection of homosexuality. If however you claim to be Christian, and practice homosexuality, within the confines of your church's doctrine, you are acting immorally. This isn't opinion, this is fact, derived from The Bible, which is the sacred text of Christianity.


Again, you needn't lecture me about the tenets of Christianity, least of all, not being a Christian yourself. Since Christ didn't speak to it, it must not be important...and since he is the Man of the hour, what you're talking about doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
Paul, who did speak to the matter, is suspected of being homosexual himself, and therefore his speaking against it, makes his vehemence and rejection suspect. The topic is open to scrutiny and interpretation, from both sides...
Some Americans who practiced slavery, thought that the Bible supported their belief that it was morally acceptable...we now understand that to be false, as well as reprehensible...What changed? Our interpretation changed....I shouldn't have to spell out the implication.
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Xenocide91
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 09:47 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
I think that if you can't contribute to the gene pool then you have no use of the life God gave you. He ordered us to "go forth and multiply", but gays and lesbians can't procreate and therefore failed in their duty. Also, if you choose to be gay, you deserve to be made fun of. O, and when Jesus was preaching I'm pretty sure not very many people thought about doing this because it was part of their Torah to not lie with a member of the same sex.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 11:22 pm
@Xenocide91,
Xenocide91;38564 wrote:
I think that if you can't contribute to the gene pool then you have no use of the life God gave you. He ordered us to "go forth and multiply", but gays and lesbians can't procreate and therefore failed in their duty. Also, if you choose to be gay, you deserve to be made fun of. O, and when Jesus was preaching I'm pretty sure not very many people thought about doing this because it was part of their Torah to not lie with a member of the same sex.


Better to be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt
As I said, in a previous posting....were there no normal variants, in the way of homosexuality, overpopulation would be occurring at faster rate...and the luxuries you now enjoy, would be gravely in doubt, if not non-existent.
To point out the absurdity of your statement...there are multitudes of heterosexual couples who, of their own volition, and sometimes by the whim of nature are "childless"....so to believe that our chief reason for being is to "create new life", is simply "small-minded", and vain, to the extreme.

Oh, yeah, that's right...there are no gay Jews...I almost forgot..LOL
92b16vx
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 11:44 pm
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;38480 wrote:
I don't care a lick about sexuality, it really shouldn't be an issue on the national scale. Homosexuality IS a defect, albeit harmless, regardless of the numbers of homosexuals, homosexuality is a defect, were it normal, humanity would die off yes?


There are many animals that engage in homosexual activity, hamster, and some monkeys come to mind. Possibily a very natural version of population control? As far as a religious answer, I don't think there is one, because I think the bible was written by man to help give him understanding of the world he did not understand, not the word of any benevolent being.
Freeman15
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 11:51 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;38572 wrote:
There are many animals that engage in homosexual activity, hamster, and some monkeys come to mind. Possibily a very natural version of population control? As far as a religious answer, I don't think there is one, because I think the bible was written by man to help give him understanding of the world he did not understand, not the word of any benevolent being.


I never said it wasn't naturally occuring, what I said was that it was a defect, ie, a shortcoming. The standard human, like the standard animal is one that can live an reproduce. Homosexuality, while not being morally repugnant to my mind, does prohibit reproduction. I don't believe that sex NEEDS to be for reproduction (in fact, I hope my own misadventures don't yield such an outcome), but if a man is uninterested in women, or vice versa, he is less than standard in the realm of reproduction, and thus homosexuality (or asexuality) is a defect.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 12:20 am
@Freeman15,
Freeman15;38573 wrote:
I never said it wasn't naturally occuring, what I said was that it was a defect, ie, a shortcoming. The standard human, like the standard animal is one that can live an reproduce. Homosexuality, while not being morally repugnant to my mind, does prohibit reproduction. I don't believe that sex NEEDS to be for reproduction (in fact, I hope my own misadventures don't yield such an outcome), but if a man is uninterested in women, or vice versa, he is less than standard in the realm of reproduction, and thus homosexuality (or asexuality) is a defect.


Well, out of respect for me, and the few gays in this forum, would you kindly refrain from such negative outbursts...I don't consider myself defective...God made me, as he made you...and last time I checked , he doesn't make mistakes...everything and everyone has a purpose and a right to be here.
Since you obviously know of "my shortcoming", would you care to share what yours might be, beyond the obvious? Not that I would call you defective, by any means...I'm above that.
Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 08:05 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;38520 wrote:
Thank you for that....
Didn't Christ implore those who are without sin to cast the first stone, against (allegedly) Mary Magdalene...when the crowd realized the implication, they dropped their stones and left. Maybe the story needs to be told in parable for "this crowd" to "get it".


It may go deeper than that.

For evil to grow all good men need do is nothing.

If Christian Gays do not take the splint from the Bible then who will take the log.
A true believer who sees imperfection in the philosophy of the Bible, should have the courage of His, Her, convictions and demand that the imperfection be amended.
Some have done so thank God but the Bible has to be amended to reflect the new view so that the young can begin to shed their misguided denigrations.

The Vatican and Christianity will loose badly if they wait too long before adjusting their views.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 08:10 am
@Xenocide91,
Xenocide91;38564 wrote:
I think that if you can't contribute to the gene pool then you have no use of the life God gave you. He ordered us to "go forth and multiply", but gays and lesbians can't procreate and therefore failed in their duty. Also, if you choose to be gay, you deserve to be made fun of. O, and when Jesus was preaching I'm pretty sure not very many people thought about doing this because it was part of their Torah to not lie with a member of the same sex.


If as you say God gave us life then He also gave us our natures.

Why would God give some a homosexual nature if He did not want it used?
Why does He continue to create homosexuals?
God is responsible or not.
Which is it?

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am cv
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 08:15 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;38569 wrote:
Better to be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt
As I said, in a previous posting....were there no normal variants, in the way of homosexuality, overpopulation would be occurring at faster rate...and the luxuries you now enjoy, would be gravely in doubt, if not non-existent.
To point out the absurdity of your statement...there are multitudes of heterosexual couples who, of their own volition, and sometimes by the whim of nature are "childless"....so to believe that our chief reason for being is to "create new life", is simply "small-minded", and vain, to the extreme.

Oh, yeah, that's right...there are no gay Jews...I almost forgot..LOL


It is to homophobes to justify their denigration of homosexuals. It is for God to do the same.
He has failed to do so.
It is not for homosexuals to justify the nature provided by God.
It is to them to follow it faithfully.
If God did not want His natures to us followed He would not create it for us.

Regards
DL
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 08:20 am
@Greatest I am cv,
who is this guy god :dunno:
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 10:13 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;38588 wrote:
who is this guy god :dunno:


I dunno, but he sounds like the voice of reason, and I appreciate him, immensely...after such vitriol. I really don't know what's wrong with these people....something is wrong tho'...from childhood. They were taught to hate "the other". Their parents would be proud, I guess. But they ain't taking my joy.
They "talked about Jesus", why on Earth would I think they wouldn't talk about me.



The least of these my Brethren
The least of these my Brethren


( based on Matt. 25:31-46 )

When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory: and before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another." Thus Christ on the Mount of Olives pictured to His disciples the scene of the great judgment day. And He represented its decision as turning upon one point. When the nations are gathered before Him, there will be but two classes, and their eternal destiny will be determined by what they have done or have neglected to do for Him in the person of the poor and the suffering.

In that day Christ does not present before men the great work He has done for them in giving His life for their redemption. He presents the faithful work they have done for Him. To those whom He sets upon His right hand He will say, "Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was an hungered, and ye gave Me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave Me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took Me in: naked, and ye clothed Me: I was sick, and ye visited Me: I was in prison, and ye came unto Me." But those whom Christ commends know not that they have been ministering unto Him. To their perplexed inquiries He answers, "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me."

Jesus had told His disciples that they were to be hated of all men, to be persecuted and afflicted. Many would be driven from their homes, and brought to poverty. Many would be in distress through disease and privation. Many would be cast into prison. To all who forsook friends or home for His sake He had promised in this life a hundredfold. Now He assured a special blessing to all who should minister to their brethren. In all who suffer for My name, said Jesus, you are to recognize Me. As you would minister to Me, so you are to minister to them. This is the evidence that you are My disciples.

All who have been born into the heavenly family are in a special sense the brethren of our Lord. The love of Christ binds together the members of His family, and wherever that love is made manifest there the divine relationship is revealed. "Everyone that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God." 1 John 4:7.

Those whom Christ commends in the judgment may have known little of theology, but they have cherished His principles. Through the influence of the divine Spirit they have been a blessing to those about them. Even among the heathen are those who have cherished the spirit of kindness; before the words of life had fallen upon their ears, they have befriended the missionaries, even ministering to them at the peril of their own lives. Among the heathen are those who worship God ignorantly, those to whom the light is never brought by human instrumentality, yet they will not perish. Though ignorant of the written law of God, they have heard His voice speaking to them in nature, and have done the things that the law required. Their works are evidence that the Holy Spirit has touched their hearts, and they are recognized as the children of God.

How surprised and gladdened will be the lowly among the nations, and among the heathen, to hear from the lips of the Saviour, "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me"! How glad will be the heart of Infinite Love as His followers look up with surprise and joy at His words of approval!

But not to any class is Christ's love restricted. He identifies Himself with every child of humanity. That we might become members of the heavenly family, He became a member of the earthly family. He is the Son of man, and thus a brother to every son and daughter of Adam. His followers are not to feel themselves detached from the perishing world around them. They are a part of the great web of humanity; and Heaven looks upon them as brothers to sinners as well as to saints. The fallen, the erring, and the sinful, Christ's love embraces; and every deed of kindness done to uplift a fallen soul, every act of mercy, is accepted as done to Him.

The angels of heaven are sent forth to minister to those who shall be heirs of salvation. We know not now who they are; it is not yet made manifest who shall overcome, and share the inheritance of the saints in light; but angels of heaven are passing throughout the length and breadth of the earth, seeking to comfort the sorrowing, to protect the imperiled, to win the hearts of men to Christ. Not one is neglected or passed by. God is no respecter of persons, and He has an equal care for all the souls He has created.

As you open your door to Christ's needy and suffering ones, you are welcoming unseen angels. You invite the companionship of heavenly beings. They bring a sacred atmosphere of joy and peace. They come with praises upon their lips, and an answering strain is heard in heaven. Every deed of mercy makes music there. The Father from His throne numbers the unselfish workers among His most precious treasures.

Those on the left hand of Christ, those who had neglected Him in the person of the poor and the suffering, were unconscious of their guilt. Satan had blinded them; they had not perceived what they owed to their brethren. They had been self-absorbed, and cared not for others' needs.

To the rich, God has given wealth that they may relieve and comfort His suffering children; but too often they are indifferent to the wants of others. They feel themselves superior to their poor brethren. They do not put themselves in the poor man's place. They do not understand the temptations and struggles of the poor, and mercy dies out of their hearts. In costly dwellings and splendid churches, the rich shut themselves away from the poor; the means that God has given to bless the needy is spent in pampering pride and selfishness. The poor are robbed daily of the education they should have concerning the tender mercies of God; for He has made ample provision that they should be comforted with the necessities of life. They are compelled to feel the poverty that narrows life, and are often tempted to become envious, jealous, and full of evil surmisings. Those who themselves have not endured the pressure of want too often treat the poor in a contemptuous way, and make them feel that they are looked upon as paupers.

But Christ beholds it all, and He says, It was I who was hungry and thirsty. It was I who was a stranger. It was I who was sick. It was I who was in prison. While you were feasting at your bountifully spread table, I was famishing in the hovel or the empty street. While you were at ease in your luxurious home, I had not where to lay My head. While you crowded your wardrobe with rich apparel, I was destitute. While you pursued your pleasures, I languished in prison.

When you doled out the pittance of bread to the starving poor, when you gave those flimsy garments to shield them from the biting frost, did you remember that you were giving to the Lord of glory? All the days of your life I was near you in the person of these afflicted ones, but you did not seek Me. You would not enter into fellowship with Me. I know you not.

Many feel that it would be a great privilege to visit the scenes of Christ's life on earth, to walk where He trod, to look upon the lake beside which He loved to teach, and the hills and valleys on which His eyes so often rested. But we need not go to Nazareth, to Capernaum, or to Bethany, in order to walk in the steps of Jesus. We shall find His footprints beside the sickbed, in the hovels of poverty, in the crowded alleys of the great city, and in every place where there are human hearts in need of consolation. In doing as Jesus did when on earth, we shall walk in His steps.

All may find something to do. "The poor always ye have with you," (John 12:8), Jesus said, and none need feel that there is no place where they can labor for Him. Millions upon millions of human souls ready to perish, bound in chains of ignorance and sin, have never so much as heard of Christ's love for them. Were our condition and theirs to be reversed, what would we desire them to do for us? All this, so far as lies in our power, we are under the most solemn obligation to do for them. Christ's rule of life, by which every one of us must stand or fall in the judgment, is, "Whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them." Matt. 7:12.

The Saviour has given His precious life in order to establish a church capable of caring for sorrowful, tempted souls. A company of believers may be poor, uneducated, and unknown; yet in Christ they may do a work in the home, the neighborhood, the church, and even in "the regions beyond," whose results shall be as far-reaching as eternity.

It is because this work is neglected that so many young disciples never advance beyond the mere alphabet of Christian experience. The light which was glowing in their own hearts when Jesus spoke to them, "Thy sins be forgiven thee," they might have kept alive by helping those in need. The restless energy that is so often a source of danger to the young might be directed into channels through which it would flow out in streams of blessing. Self would be forgotten in earnest work to do others good.

Those who minister to others will be ministered unto by the Chief Shepherd. They themselves will drink of the living water, and will be satisfied. They will not be longing for exciting amusements, or for some change in their lives. The great topic of interest will be, how to save the souls that are ready to perish. Social intercourse will be profitable. The love of the Redeemer will draw hearts together in unity.

When we realize that we are workers together with God, His promises will not be spoken with indifference. They will burn in our hearts, and kindle upon our lips. To Moses, when called to minister to an ignorant, undisciplined, and rebellious people, God gave the promise, "My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest." And He said, "Certainly I will be with thee." Ex. 33:14; 3:12. This promise is to all who labor in Christ's stead for His afflicted and suffering ones.

Love to man is the earthward manifestation of the love of God. It was to implant this love, to make us children of one family, that the King of glory became one with us. And when His parting words are fulfilled, "Love one another, as I have loved you" (John 15:12); when we love the world as He has loved it, then for us His mission is accomplished. We are fitted for heaven; for we have heaven in our hearts.

But "if thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain; if thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not He that pondereth the heart consider it? and He that keepeth thy soul, doth not He know it? and shall not He render to every man according to his works?" Prov. 24:11, 12. In the great Judgment day, those who have not worked for Christ, who have drifted along thinking of themselves, caring for themselves, will be placed by the Judge of the whole earth with those who did evil. They receive the same condemnation.

To every soul a trust is given. Of everyone the Chief Shepherd will demand, "Where is the flock that was given thee, thy beautiful flock?" And "what wilt thou say when He shall punish thee?" Jer. 13:20, 21.
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