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Success: Self Made or Advantaged

 
 
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 02:47 pm
@Skye cv,
Sabz - what would you do with $1million..?
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 02:59 pm
@Skye cv,
A million in cash...

1. Get married.
2. Pay off my wife's student loans.
3. Ensure my daughter's college education is paid for in full.

Whatever's left after those three can sit in an account and draw interest.
Skye cv
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 03:18 pm
@Sabz5150,
WOW SoCal - A million bucks?

I would invest half and give half away in small amounts to lift some people
into an easier or more comfortable way of life.... if possible.... anonymously.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 03:32 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;50413 wrote:
A million in cash...

1. Get married.
2. Pay off my wife's student loans.
3. Ensure my daughter's college education is paid for in full.

Whatever's left after those three can sit in an account and draw interest.


All nice thoughts, to be sure. What generally happens after some thought, is that persons in this position who generally understand money and have a respect for it's power, will do as you suggest and put the money in the bank or some money market account on an interim basis just long enough for them to decide how to invest the money for the greatest return. If managed properly, you family name would be set for generations.

Leaving a large block of money unattended in the bank to draw interest is the very last choice because people that say they will do that, never do. After their first bank statement, it begins to burn a hole in their pockets. They begin to spend and spend until it's all gone, generally after a year to two. Those are the people that give support the notion that money corrupts.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 03:34 pm
@Skye cv,
Skye;50422 wrote:
WOW SoCal - A million bucks?

I would invest half and give half away in small amounts to lift some people
into an easier or more comfortable way of life.... if possible.... anonymously.


You're such a sweet person, it wouldn't matter if you had a million dollars or a pocket full of quarters, you will always be happy.
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 03:36 pm
@Skye cv,
Anyone else?

The person that would piss away a million dollars would never have the discipline to earn it.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 03:44 pm
@Skye cv,
Divide it into three, invest 400,000, give 300k to charity, give myself a month to spend the rest and then also invest what's left, if anything. Not really interesting.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 03:50 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;50433 wrote:
Divide it into three, invest 400,000, give 300k to charity, give myself a month to spend the rest and then also invest what's left, if anything. Not really interesting.


$400,000 invested with an annual return of 10% wouldn't be enough to retire on. What type of investment would interest you - oil stocks? High-tech? Biotech? Just curious.

$300,000 to charity? Pick one that takes no more than 5% for admin costs with 95% going directly to the one's in need.

$300,000 on yourself..? What? A new Ferrari and a tank of gas..?

Play along, this is fun.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 04:05 pm
@Skye cv,
Quote:
$400,000 invested with an annual return of 10% wouldn't be enough to retire on. What type of investment would interest you - oil stocks? High-tech? Biotech? Just curious.


I don't have to retire. I like Apple, but it's too expensive now. If I had 400,000 I'd definitely invest some in Apple. Besides that, I'd have to study a bit, but I like a lot of the tech stocks. The extravagant toys they're coming out with now are going to be commonplace in a few years, iPods, for example, and in a few years they'll have new stuff that will become commonplace in a few years from then. Never ending cycle.

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$300,000 on yourself..? What? A new Ferrari and a tank of gas..?


Hardly. 300,000 is a nice amount to have as spending money, IMO. Probably just a few meals at ridiculously over priced restaurants, etc. who knows, I don't plan for things like this just in case I get a million dollars.
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 04:13 pm
@Skye cv,
I seldom have more than about 50 bucks on me.

Getting back to the self-made issue, did not our leader Brian "invest" in a new BMW recently..? As I recall, it was quite an upscale purchase.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 04:14 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;50445 wrote:
I seldom have more than about 50 bucks on me.


What happened to being rich?
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 04:17 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;50446 wrote:
What happened to being rich?


I do not carry much cash - comes from living in the city, I guess. Too flashy. An easy target for thieves. Humility is your best defense.
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Sabz5150
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 04:22 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;50428 wrote:
All nice thoughts, to be sure. What generally happens after some thought, is that persons in this position who generally understand money and have a respect for it's power, will do as you suggest and put the money in the bank or some money market account on an interim basis just long enough for them to decide how to invest the money for the greatest return. If managed properly, you family name would be set for generations.

Leaving a large block of money unattended in the bank to draw interest is the very last choice because people that say they will do that, never do. After their first bank statement, it begins to burn a hole in their pockets. They begin to spend and spend until it's all gone, generally after a year to two. Those are the people that give support the notion that money corrupts.


The money stashed away can do many things. Mainly it gives me a nice paddle, should I find myself up a creek one day. Not much about me or my life would change with a million in cash. I wouldn't stop working, I wouldn't buy a huge home. I'd definitely use some of that to put down on a home and get a nice deal on a mortgage.

I get injured and can't work for a while, I'm still guaranteed to make ends meet. I need a new car due to an accident or the one I have falls apart. I can snag a nice (read: not extravagant) car and not worry about straining the budget with a new bill.

For me, it's about living comfortably. It's basically my life as it sits with a whole lot of the "What if" questions we don't want to think about, taken care of.

Hakuna Matata. No worries Smile
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 04:39 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;50403 wrote:
Further, what you are saying is that wealthy people are ruthless in business and have kids that are worthless.



Why do people have to try assuming I am saying something, I said what I said, and that's it. I knew quite a few well to do's growing up, and a lot now through our business, and from my experiance, very few of those born into it appreciate what they have. If you can quote me calling them worthless do it, if not, don't make leaps.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 04:51 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;50405 wrote:
Self made also understand the work and sacrifice put forth to attain their goals, and therefore have great respect for their achievements as well as the achievements and hard work of others.


True, but such a small percentage of the population has the will to succeed at anything. They are happy having a modest home, affordable car payments and 6 months of living expenses in the bank.

Only those that are willing to stretch a little will begin to enjoy modest success which will lead to more ambition and more money. For most of the individuals, financial freedom is only something they see on infomercials and not something they relate to at all. There is no one out there that wouldn't love to be 50 and financially free. If you disagree, then you are a liar or a fool.
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 05:12 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;50457 wrote:
Why do people have to try assuming I am saying something, I said what I said, and that's it. I knew quite a few well to do's growing up, and a lot now through our business, and from my experiance, very few of those born into it appreciate what they have. If you can quote me calling them worthless do it, if not, don't make leaps.


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One does not make oneself in the business world by being a nice guy or letting people take advantage. My point was more that someone that is advantaged can't really call it a success because they started at teh finish.


This is exactly what you said. If one does not make it as a nice guy, is he/she not ruthless? It's not much of a leap. Offspring that begin at the finish are an embarrassment to their parents and certainly not the rule. Most appreciate the head start and run much faster than their parents. Is that not what you want for your children..? To be more successful that you..?
rugonnacry
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 05:34 pm
@Sabz5150,
Sabz5150;50413 wrote:
A million in cash...

1. Get married.
2. Pay off my wife's student loans.
3. Ensure my daughter's college education is paid for in full.

Whatever's left after those three can sit in an account and draw interest.



PAY OFF WIFES STUDENT LOANS... Is actually the worst thing you can do.... Paying OFF any debt is horrible. if you have 1 million dollars, make it work for you... put it in a nice safe 6.5% money market account, and either live off 65 grand a year for the rest of your life OR work a job you actually like and have an additional 65 grand a year.


Or buy some houses... DO NOT PAY THEM OFF... Buy 5 200,000 homes, and put 50 grand down on each, rent them out Enough to cover the mortgae plus say 400 bucks worht of kick back to you) thats 2 grand a month, PLus have 750 in a 6.5 interest money market account which is $48,750 a year plus your 24 grand a year giving you 72 grand a year PLUS a job you like doing ...e asily clearing 6 figures a year, plus in 15 years own out right 5 houses for your kids inheritance.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 05:34 pm
@Skye cv,
If all you do is pay off bills... You are in the same situation as you are right now... and will just get bills back.


MAKE THE MONEY WORK FOR YOU
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92b16vx
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 05:43 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;50476 wrote:
This is exactly what you said. If one does not make it as a nice guy, is he/she not ruthless?


No, there's a lot of room between not being a nice person that lets others take advantage of tehm, and being ruthless.

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Offspring that begin at the finish are an embarrassment to their parents and certainly not the rule. Most appreciate the head start and run much faster than their parents. Is that not what you want for your children..? To be more successful that you..?



Where did I say anything about them being worthless? My point, and I still stand by it, if you are born successful, how exactly can you achieve success? Maintain the status quo maybe. Of course one would want their child to be more successful, but what exactly is your measure of success? I'd say everyones is different.
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 06:32 pm
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;50484 wrote:
No, there's a lot of room between not being a nice person that lets others take advantage of tehm, and being ruthless.




Where did I say anything about them being worthless? My point, and I still stand by it, if you are born successful, how exactly can you achieve success? Maintain the status quo maybe. Of course one would want their child to be more successful, but what exactly is your measure of success? I'd say everyones is different.


No one is born successful. Each of us is given a bag of tools and do with them what we choose, rich or poor. Some build castles, others sit on their ass and do nothing.

I take comments about silver spooned kids personally. My kids had cars and toys growing up but they also had to earn good grades and be an example of good behavior as representatives of our family. Today they are all college educated and have solid career paths and great marriages.

The only definition of success that means anything to me is having the financial freedom to do as I wish, when I wish and to not be responsible to a boss or a board for any of my actions. It is the freedom to whatever I feel whenever I want. I presume you want that also. I know you want that for your kids.
 

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