fabian socialist today

I agree with the basic point. I don't know if they are taking over, but they definitely want to, and they're getting more and more won over to their cause.

--and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Now, if this goverenment is of the people, by the people, for the people, how can "those people" take it over?

Bubble bursting time, the religious reich and right wind conservatives are not the only people that live in America.

Socialists spread propaganda, much like you have just done, to misinform and convert people to their cause.

Alternately, they can just convert enough people and take over.

So, the truth that officials, elected by the people, make laws helping those people is propaganda? I love how the truth is called propoganda by people that are trying to stifle the true American way of life.

What, when did I say anything about elected officials? And you are seriously going to say that what elected officials say is truth simply because the people elected them, anyway?

I mean socialists convincing the younger generation that their way will make America better.

It's simply astonishing you can't follow a simple concept.

People elect officials, officials make laws and social programs that help people. The government is for the people, by the people, of the people, citizens elect other citizens, based on their views to carry out public policy that effects them. Follow so far?



Note the two italized and bolded portions. Now apply what I said in my first response...



Now, unless God Child lives in the UK, than he /she is simply applying, while seemingly correct, a brand to something in America which isn't an official label. To bad socialism, true socialism is NEVER going to happen in America, people are just mad because they don't want to work and have any of the goods taken by the government and shared with the masses, understandable in a capitalist society.

Now, where were we, oh yea...Social programs are put in place by elected officials, elected by the people, to help the people. Now if the people are ones, that in essence run the government, through the actions of the officials they elect, how can one assume that they are taking over something, they already own? Change and social reform are fact, whether you like it or not, and they are not going anywhere, no matter how stale the reich, 'er right, would have America be.

Individuals...go look it up, the US has what? 280,000,000 of them? Guess what, they don't now, nor will they all ever think the same about anything. There is no way to please everyone, so someone is always going to be left out.

In reality, do they all do that though? That is what I am saying. Please do not patronize me, I know how our government works.

Something tells me you'd have a different view if you though the 'Christian reich' were represented by a majority of people, which it can be said to be, if some polls are used.

And socialist propaganda convinces people that they will and do work, when they don't. Health care, social security, all liberal programs, all broken.

Socialists tend to be people who assume that when their nightmarish society is finally built and safeguarded by secret police, they will be the leaders. Seldom do they imagine themselves working in sweatshop factories or in farm fields, unable to change professions or fight for better working conditions or pay, or take control of their lives in any other way. Such a mindset isn't very 'socialist'. In fact, it's elitist. For example, the Cintons love Blacks, alright, as long as they -- the Clintons -- are the politicians who lead them.

Liberal does NOT equal socialist. As a matter of fact, under liberal thought a capitalist system where ALL citizens have an equal opporunity to free enterprise, and a government that acts in the interest of ALL it's citizens is the goal. Socialism on the other hand denounces free enterprise, capitalizism and private property.

Liberal and socialist. Liberalism advocates a free market, yes, but conservatism advocates capitalism. Many liberals are not fiscally liberal, but there are many fiscally liberal social conservatives (like Catholicism- socially conservative but very charitable, more fiscally liberal).

You do know that free enterprise are just other terms for capitalism..don't you? And that free market is not what I said, even though we do have a fairly free market economy, the goverment does have to step in sometimes.

LOL my least favorite group of people, Socialism leads to communism and gradually you will lose every single right as an individual. In Europe or Eurabia as it's called now it's against the law to speak out loud against Radical Islam because it's considered hate speech. It's okay to call Jews and us Infidels pigs and dogs but you better not dare speak against the Religion of Peace. The UN passed a resolution recently advocating punishing anyone who "Speaks negatively about Islam". Here's an article on Eurabia or Europe if you are politically correct. It's a long read but notice near the bottom of the page where a well know Prof. gets jail time for a simple statement regarding Islam. I'm beginning to think the terrorist have already defeated Europe. Article: Towards a Totalitarian Europe | The Brussels Journal


I read today the democrats what to pass the same kind of Legislation thus silencing those who oppose Wahabbi Islam and it's violent ways. If they have their way they shall surrender the US without firing a single bullet at the homegrown terrorists. I don't like Bush but Jesus the alternative is the Anti Christ.

"Liberal does NOT equal socialist."

In the European tradition, it most certainly does. It also means secular, anti-White, and anti-male. It's also cowardly. Liberals murdered priests in Mexico in the 1920s, and then again in Spain during the fourth civil war in the 1930s. Next time, we'll fight back to save our priests. Try that crap again, Liberal Dogs, and watch your world go up in smoke.

Yes. Should I have said 'as well?' Sorry.

What situations would the government have to step into besides corporate abuse?

You every wonder why its so hard to rally the people in this country around anything besides their kids soccer game....At every turn we hear someone preaching the virtue of self... when disaster happens...our government, the ome supposedf to represent the entire counry does little or waits to long or just does it badly....and then calls for everyone to rally around the flag when things get tough in places no one had heard of until a few years ago...
You preach every man for himself materialism and thats what you get....If you want people to act in the common good you have to teach them that the common good is a good thing and much more important an SUV in every garage and that the government in charge of the common good, that is supposed to act in the common good at least part of the time has some roll to play

Everyone has a right to attain what they will for themselves, and invariably there must be some inheritence, but usually you can get where you want with hard work.

Basically....that's it, I am including corporations trying to attain monopolies as abuse also.

I bet it is hard for the elected officials to think of anyone but themselves, weren't they educated in the same materialist "each man for himself" society as the rest of us?

I think monopolies are bad because a false sense of competition can potentially be created and lead to higher prices with no reason, but that doesn't seem an excuse for the gov to interfere to me.